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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1261374 times)

Offline zoelra

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3525 on: April 13, 2016, 01:43:58 AM »
The Milkovic two stage oscillator may very well be a "balanced oscillatory system".  No one has come close to feeding the output back into the system to perpetuate motion.  I'm not saying I agree with this statement, but many believe this to be true, and all tests to date seem to back this up.

In Milkovic's "Pendulum eases pumping of water" video, it appears that he is applying greater force than in his original "Mechanical Advantage of Pendulum Drive" video.  This could be due to the lifted weight (water) leaving the system and not applying backward force on the lever.  Just something to think about.

Mechanical Advantage of Pendulum Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt7iQmKtHu8

Pendulum eases pumping of water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNdF8mTfu4g


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3526 on: April 13, 2016, 06:53:30 PM »
it is very easy to be  mistaken with ou in these types of devices.

if you study basic fizics you would see the problem very easy.

it is the same principle as the nuclear plant has.for it to run or stop you need about 2 days.
so imagine the force you need to keep it running it is very small (relatively small).
same as spinning a huge weight in circle.
but the problem is you always need the push ,and it is bigger than force taken, always .
so when you look at your huge weight that you keep pushing ,you think ,oh there is much force stored in it,but you are the one that keeps adding the force.
that is why milkovic keeps pushing the weight adding the force on and on



Offline seychelles

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3527 on: April 13, 2016, 08:25:55 PM »
yep all true but if you try to pump water with a hand pump it is the hard but when you connect it to the gravity assist mechanism it make it much much easier..it not just mickovich but also with these guys in America..but also with physics gravity comes into the formula..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIRaJlTD4Y&feature=youtu.be this is the answer..different but the answer..

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3528 on: April 17, 2016, 04:29:59 PM »


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3529 on: April 18, 2016, 07:30:28 PM »
i reckon if everybody contributed $100 each to duplicate  MR SKINNER GRAVITY MACHINE we could easily see an over unity machine before the end of 2016. Instead we waste our time spending time money and effort on pedantic bullshit little projects that do not lead to nowhere..

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3529 on: April 18, 2016, 07:30:28 PM »
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Offline ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3530 on: April 21, 2016, 05:53:45 AM »
Discussion with an Engineer.


1.  A simple pendulum needs to overcome air resistance and the friction at the pivot.  That can be very small.  We can easily achieve 99% efficient.


2.  If the simple pendulum is connected to a seesaw in the Milkovic 2SO fashion, the up and down motion of the weight is automatically maintained.


3.  The maintaining of the up and down motion is NOT via static forces but via the centrifugal force.  Please study the Raymond Head video 6 very carefully.  The weight is lifted twice for every finger push.


4.  The centrifugal force mechanism is "free" by the pendulum swinging motion.  So long as the pendulum swinging motion is maintained, the up and down motion of the weight is also maintained.


5.  The up and down motion of the weight can be used to do work - such as producing the loud bang, crash nuts or pump water.  In the Raymond Head video, the pendulum swings back almost to its original position.  The up and down motion  of the weight produced the loud bang and must have done some work.


6.  One possible explanation is that gravitational energy has been led-out in the process.


7.  The simple pendulum is not very efficient as the energy led-out is occurs at the highest centrifugal force position.  Or when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position.


8.  We can improve the Milkovic 2SO by replacing the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel - the Chan wheel.  The rotational speed can be increased and more gravitational energy can be led-in.


9.  We can further improve the Chan Wheel with Cylinder.  A Cylinder can be thought of as many wheel put together side-by-side.


10.  We can further improve the mechanism via leading out of electromagnetic energy.  A ferromagnetic magnetic material can be thought of as many tiny magnets arranged in random when there is no electric current.  If DC current is passed, these tiny magnets can be aligned to produce a large magnetic field. 


11.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier leads out both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.  The Output can be 30 times Input.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3531 on: April 21, 2016, 07:24:50 PM »
Unlike various complications, two-stage oscillator has a clear principle.


Image (1)   Fc – Centrifugal Force, Fg – Gravitational Force

Ideal addition of forces in pendulum – culmination is in the lowest position and zero force is in upper position. In addition, there is a difference in potential during the oscillation.


Image (2)

The pendulum – lever system or two-stage oscillator principle: the pendulum oscillation on the left causes the oscillation of the two-arm lever which can result in useful work (mechanical hammering, water pumping, etc). Archimedes (c. 287 BC – c. 212 BC) worked on lever and Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) on pendulum, and the combination of the two results in new mechanical effects.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3532 on: April 21, 2016, 07:51:27 PM »
Unlike various complications, two-stage oscillator has a clear principle.


Image (1)   Fc – Centrifugal Force, Fg – Gravitational Force

Ideal addition of forces in pendulum – culmination is in the lowest position and zero force is in upper position. In addition, there is a difference in potential during the oscillation.


Image (2)

The pendulum – lever system or two-stage oscillator principle: the pendulum oscillation on the left causes the oscillation of the two-arm lever which can result in useful work (mechanical hammering, water pumping, etc). Archimedes (c. 287 BC – c. 212 BC) worked on lever and Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) on pendulum, and the combination of the two results in new mechanical effects.


Merg, I think you have the best explanation diagram on the Milkovic 2SO.  It is the Fc+Fg at the lowest pendulum swing position that provides the lever or seesaw action.  That action is "free".  So long as the pendulum maintains its swinging motion, the lever will have the up and down motion.

In addition, that up and down motion can do work without affecting the swinging motion of the pendulum (or draining energy away from the swinging pendulum).

The power of your explanation diagrams goes beyond the Milkovic 2SO.  If gravitational energy can be led-out, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be led-out as we can easily replace the pendulum bob with a magnet and increase the gravitational field with artificial magnetic fields.

That opens the whole field of lead-out energy...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3533 on: April 21, 2016, 10:42:56 PM »
Refering back to msg 3531 there are some missing physics - ie leverage.
So let M - 1 be the left mass and M - 2 the right mass.
let M-1 be 10 units and M-2 be 2 units then the ratio is 5:1. then
let the leverage be less then 5:1 - say 4:1 we know that M-1 can't
lift M-2 but we also know that if some extra force/work becomes
available when the swinging arc reaches bottom which I call the "yank down
force" then M-1 will lift M-2. Then 2 more things must be considered.

1. If I push a balanced seesaw up and down I have not done any work because
its balanced but If I put 1 lb on the other end then the work done would be
1lb  times the distance - say 2 feet. 2 ft lbs of work.



2. How much work goes into the swing push?

I tried to an unbalanced get Chan wheel (which is a 360 degree pendulum) to turn from a weight on a string dropping.
and thus lifting M-2 but it did not perform as hoped for.

So the work done is the mass difference and the leverage ratio considered
and compared to the work require to make the push.

Norman


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3534 on: April 22, 2016, 01:44:06 AM »
Refering back to msg 3531 there are some missing physics - ie leverage.
So let M - 1 be the left mass and M - 2 the right mass.
let M-1 be 10 units and M-2 be 2 units then the ratio is 5:1. then
let the leverage be less then 5:1 - say 4:1 we know that M-1 can't
lift M-2 but we also know that if some extra force/work becomes
available when the swinging arc reaches bottom which I call the "yank down
force" then M-1 will lift M-2. Then 2 more things must be considered.

1. If I push a balanced seesaw up and down I have not done any work because
its balanced but If I put 1 lb on the other end then the work done would be
1lb  times the distance - say 2 feet. 2 ft lbs of work.



2. How much work goes into the swing push?

I tried to an unbalanced get Chan wheel (which is a 360 degree pendulum) to turn from a weight on a string dropping.
and thus lifting M-2 but it did not perform as hoped for.

So the work done is the mass difference and the leverage ratio considered
and compared to the work require to make the push.

Norman





1. If I push a balanced seesaw up and down I have not done any work because
its balanced but If I put 1 lb on the other end then the work done would be
1lb  times the distance - say 2 feet. 2 ft lbs of work.[/size]


Your statement is correct.  But the missing point is that the work done does not come from the swinging motion of the pendulum.  A badly constructed Milkovic 2SO or a Chan Wheel will vibrate and shake so much that energy does seen to come from the pendulum.  (The pendulum bob does not go nearly back to its initial position).  A properly built Milkovic or Chan Wheel will show otherwise.

Please show the construction of your Milkovic or Chan wheel.  We may be able to advice you on how to improve it so that you get the proper results.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Offline norman6538

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3535 on: April 22, 2016, 01:27:04 PM »
Itseung888 said


"Your statement is correct.  But the missing point is that the work done does not come from the swinging motion of the pendulum.  A badly constructed Milkovic 2SO or a Chan Wheel will vibrate and shake so much that energy does seen to come from the pendulum.  (The pendulum bob does not go nearly back to its initial position).  A properly built Milkovic or Chan Wheel will show otherwise.

Please show the construction of your Milkovic or Chan wheel.  We may be able to advice you on how to improve it so that you get the proper results.  "

I do not have that device assembled anymore. When I work I make rapid and crude
prototypes and if they show promise then I make more precise ones. But think of the
device this way.

1. A weight on a string turns the Chan wheel - input work
2. another weight on a string is lifted by the Milkovic/Chan wheel

Then very simply and clearly if the work (weight times distance) of 1
is greater than the work of 2 we have something.

Very easy with no meter/measurement error factors.

But my point was nobody has accounted for all of the physics properly.

Norman

 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3536 on: April 22, 2016, 11:20:49 PM »
Itseung888 said


"Your statement is correct.  But the missing point is that the work done does not come from the swinging motion of the pendulum.  A badly constructed Milkovic 2SO or a Chan Wheel will vibrate and shake so much that energy does seen to come from the pendulum.  (The pendulum bob does not go nearly back to its initial position).  A properly built Milkovic or Chan Wheel will show otherwise.

Please show the construction of your Milkovic or Chan wheel.  We may be able to advice you on how to improve it so that you get the proper results.  "

I do not have that device assembled anymore. When I work I make rapid and crude
prototypes and if they show promise then I make more precise ones. But think of the
device this way.

1. A weight on a string turns the Chan wheel - input work
2. another weight on a string is lifted by the Milkovic/Chan wheel

Then very simply and clearly if the work (weight times distance) of 1
is greater than the work of 2 we have something.

Very easy with no meter/measurement error factors.

But my point was nobody has accounted for all of the physics properly.

Norman


It is good to do prototypes to demonstrate the Physics.


However, many academic institutions would like accurate, reproducible results.  We can let those with proper resources satisfy the academics.


UFOs from China and USA are already flying.  Their resources are far superior to anything private individuals or companies can master...


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3537 on: May 22, 2016, 05:30:58 PM »
 Brief Visit to Veljko Milkovic RC (by Gianni Tee)
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON1WSQO3DXc

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3538 on: May 31, 2016, 12:38:27 PM »
Hello Merg,

lets analyze how long rotations really lasts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBFHn5bLy7Q and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3e3WtSaRI4

by my estimation - rotations are up to 2 seconds



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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3539 on: June 04, 2016, 07:37:42 PM »
Perhaps a better example how long rotations really last

The Royal Institutions 1974-75 Christmas Lecture given by Eric Laithwaite
Professor Laithwaite with a replica of Leonardo's rolling ball wheel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A89EDdXawvM&t=8m30s

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