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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2006, 01:14:52 AM »
Hi Gregory,
please explain,
why you think it is not 12 timesmore out than in ?

Have a look at this:

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Measurement_with_oscilloscope.pdf

Here is a Power comparison,
unfortunately not in english language from a professor,
but you can see, that the output in Watts is much higher than the input !

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Analiza_dinamo_lampe.pdf

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2006, 01:33:36 AM »
I read Mr. Mikovic's web site about a year ago and found this machine very interesting. As well it relates directly to gravity wheels,I made a post here in the forum describing how a mass can dissapear from a rotational system(a circle).
Basically if the pendulum is at the far left upper position, the center of rotation see's no mass acting downward, it produces a force to the left only,so the center of rotation does not move. When the pendulum is at the bottom of the swing it has centrifugal force plus gravity acting downward on the mass, moving the center of rotation downward. Next when in the upper right position, as the pendulum stops it again becomes massless relative to the point of rotation.
So how does this machine differ from known systems?
One asymetrical system not conservative is the centrifugal force component which acts only in line with gravity. Another asymetrical system is gravity acting on the mass "only" in the lower position, as I said when the mass is in the upper positions decelerating it losses all mass relative to the center of rotation.
This machine has zero resemblance to conventional pendulum systems when you alalyze it properly.

I fully agree,
in the 90 deegrees uphill position the mass of the pendulum
has no weight onto the fulcrum and only, if it is
at the downhill positionit is heavy enough to pull
the fullcrum up.

So it seems it is a phase shifting device,
which interacts only in one position with gravity
and thus both motions are independant of each other
or spoken in "electrical" terms, the output
has no real back drag onto the input,
cause the input is already almost 90 degrees out of phase...


I wonder, if it is possible to build an electrical "equivalent compensation"
circuit, that acts like the mechanical device ?

Normally every mechanical oscillator system could also
be simulated via electric analog oscillators coils and caps...

But as the gravity field is here the powering field,
we would have to see, how a constant gravity field
could have any impact onto a 2 tank  LC circuit.

Maybe with LC oscillators we can use a permanent magnet field
instead and draw power from it in a simular way...

Pondering away, Stefan.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2006, 01:53:40 AM »
It's interesting as well that as the pedulum is moving up and away from the hammer side, the heavy end while falling has a fling effect on the pendulum accelerating it upward.
I saw a site called the soup can pendulum, the weight has fluid in it, and the so called scientists said they cannot accurately predict its movement or period. So our best and brightest can't even figure out a pendulum with a soup can on the end- wonderful!
I think we have a lot to learn.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2006, 02:01:32 AM »
Here is a try to translate the text into english...


Original:

ANALIZA DINAMO LAMPE
 
(sa kojom se odr?ava oscilacija klatna kod dvostepenog oscilatora i koja predstavlja u isto
vreme i izlazni rad kod istog dvostepenog oscilatora)
 
Prvi rezultati ka?u sledece:
 
Za pun stisak
 
1. kada sam pritiskao 25 punih stisaka za 10 sekundi (2,5 u sekundi) dobio sam
efektivnu vrednost struje 0,103 ?
 
I - efektivno = 0,103 A
U - efektivno = 3,6 V
P (usrednjeno) = 0,384 W
 
2. Za jedan pun stisak u sekundi sam dobio (jedan pun stisak u sekundi)
 
I - efektivno = 0,085 A
U - efektivno = 2,54 V
P = 0,225 W
 
 
Za pola stiska
 
1. 25 polu stiskova za 10 sekundi (2,5 u sekundi)
 
I - efektivno = 0,059 A
U - efektivno = 1,22 V
P = 0,065 W
 
2. jedan polu stisak u sekundi
 
I - efektivno = 0,043 A
U - efektivno = 0,65 V
P = 0,030 W
 
3. jedan polu stisak za dve sekunde
 
I - efektivno = 0,021 A
U - efektivno = 0,55 V
P = 0,009 W
 
Meren je napon na ulazu i struja na ulazu. Otpor ?-metra je 0,1 om, a V-metra 10 mega
oma, ?-metar nije uticao jer je otpor hladne sijalice oko 4 oma. Instrument ima ugraden
vatmetar, tako da koristi mereni napon i merenu struju za merenje snage. Kako se
ocitavanje vr?i jednom u dve sekunde razlikuje se proizvod U * I od prikazane snage.
 
Signal je malo deformisana sinusoida cija se amplituda menja sa brzinom vrtenja diska, a
i ucestanost se menja iz istog razloga. U praznom hodu (bez sijalice napon vrha do vrha
je oko 15 V, a ucestanost oko 200 Hz, a kad se stavi sijalica napon padne na oko 10 V od
vrha do vrha, a ucestanost padne blizu 100 Hz.
 
 
Prof. dr Slobodan Milovancev
 
Univerzitet u Novom Sadu, Fakultet tehnickih nauka
Institut za energetiku, elektroniku i telekomunikacije 
Katedra za elektricna merenja
                                                                                               
Novi Sad, 02.12.2005

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ASSAY DINAMO LAMPE
( from an coyote does conservator oscillation klatna with dvostepenog oscillator plus which is introducing into a invariably worldly plus outgoing workmanship with invariably dvostepenog oscillator )

Leading upshot ka?u sledece : For teeming clutch 1. when unattended pression 25 amply clutch for 10 second (2,5 into a second dobio unattended assets vrednost tide 0,103? PLUS effectively = 0,103 And INTO A effectively V P usrednjeno W 2. For the day teeming clutch into a second unattended dobio ( some teeming clutch into a second ) PLUS effectively = 0,085 And INTO A effectively V P W For half learn 1. 25 semi learn for 10 second (2,5 into a second ) PLUS effectively = 0,059 And INTO A effectively V P W 2. some semi clutch into a second PLUS effectively = 0,043 And INTO A effectively V P W 3. some semi clutch for dve second PLUS effectively = 0,021 And INTO A effectively V P W Fisherman's net had tension at the threshold plus tide at the threshold. Resistance? footage had 0,1 ohm , and V - footage 10 meg oma ,? meter is not uticao because had resistance shade sijalice about oma. Leverage has a ingraft vatmetar , so that I use fisherman's net tension plus fisherman's net tide for fisherman's net vigour. How does ocitavanje vr?i sometime into a dve second the difference is does the product INTO A * PLUS with specter vigour. Signal had few deformisana sinusoida cija does amplituda menja from an brzinom vrtenja disk , and plus ucestanost does menja through invariably reason. Idle ( free of sijalice tension vrha up to vrha had about V , and ucestanost about 200 Hz , and when does to put sijalica tension padne at an about V with vrha up to vrha , and ucestanost padne near site 100 Hz. Prof dr Free Caress University from New-fashion Sadu , Faculty tehnickih discipline Institute after energetics , electronics plus telecommunications Chair after electricity measurement Late At once , 02.12.2005


Hmm, maybe someone who speaks Serbian language can translate this some better ?
Many thanks.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2006, 08:38:32 PM »
hey everyone,

what if we simply used the dual ociating principle to move the shield in and out of a torbay motor?  seems like it couldn't hurt.

lol
sam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2006, 10:11:20 PM »
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Hi Gregory,
please explain,
why you think it is not 12 timesmore out than in ?

Hi Stefan,
Yes, those measurements and explanations are looking very fascinating, but this is not enough to prove the machine producing 12 times more output than input. If it really does that, then Mr. Mikovic can show as a machine all running by itself. Only after this happens can he measure correctly how much excess energy output is provided by the machine. He also said mistakes are possible.
I think there are some confusing thing about force and energy. If we take a 12:1 ratio lever, we can lift a 12 times heavier mass by one unit of mass, but we don't say the lever puts out 12 times more energy, because we know that the lever is only a force-distance conversion device.

Mr. Mikovic's device is not a lever, only contains one. I think the best thing about his device is the principle, that he uses the momentum and inertia of the heavy horizontally oscillating pendulum to make the hammer move vertically. When the hammer going down gravity helps to it, so only need to be lifted while the motion of the hammer does not affect and slows down the swing of the pendulum. Clever idea, I really like it. As he compared to the gears and cogwheels his system does not work the same way back and forth and very different than gears.

Other things... Maintaining the pendulum's movement looks very easy when we see it maintained by a human being, but doing the same with a mechanism is not the same task and usually harder.
The pendulum oscillating through a much further angle than the hammer, and also it has more weight. That is a good amount of kinetic energy (by gravity) compared to the hammer.

I can say I love Mr. Mikovic's ideas, and I think they show good possibilities regarding Gravity devices and the action-reaction connectivity, but I also think if the machine finally can work in a closed loop (in its present form) it won't produce 12 times more output than input.

I wish a nice weekend to everybody!

Regards,
Greg

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2006, 10:24:15 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2006, 02:58:49 AM »


Hi clever overunity.com crowd!

Thanks a lot to Harti_Berlin for these vids (and, BTW, for his web forum).

Just my 2 cents:
The  Reidar Finsrud's (overunity) device is using pendulums (and magnets). Is it not?

Else :
The output is 12 times more important than the input?
If this has been seriously measured we must agree or trying to do our own replication and measurements. Do not we?

My guess is that discovering any overunity device (output>input) is not so easy but having it self running should be another huge job.

Best

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2006, 05:11:10 AM »
I would assume a tiny electro magnet should be able to lift the pendulum to its optimum fall hieght. A pendulum maintains 99% of its energy in each cycle so the magnetic power required to help it reach its original fall hieght should be minimal. Also since pendulum swing times are basde on the length of the pendulum a control curcuit for the EM should be simple.

Hope that makes sense to those thinking about replication...
I'm actually considering it since mechanics is more my speed.
I'm just waiting to see what other members do with it first.

Great thread!
~Dingus

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2006, 11:33:26 AM »
Somebody's probably already thought about this or mentioned it perhaps so sorry if its repeated.
 How about using a mechanical spring wind up unit like as in a mechanical clock mechanism to power the pendulum. Then using the work end of the lever to mechanically connect to and thus rewind the pendulum spring?
 The same can be done electrically instead also.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2006, 02:31:29 PM »
Wow... Thats a great idea. Wind up a little key and see how much
work we can extract from it. Actually Bill mahess can refer us to a
clock kit for a 28 day wind up pendulum clock and dc rewinding
module. That would make calculating the extacted energy over the
next 28 days easy! Hmmmmm I'm spent right now because I'm
investing in the Dr Linnard Griffin cell, but I really want to build this
now too. So many really interesting devices getting posted lately!!!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2006, 10:30:12 PM »
It would'nt be difficult to use an electromagnet to attract the pendulem in certain parts of it's swing to keep it going. But I'm thinking that any method for continuing the swing should not interfere with the up and down movement of the fulcrum.

Very interesting devise though.  Hopefully get some replications soon with electrical unput and output.

great idea as well! nice first post of yours!

peace


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2006, 12:39:19 AM »
I know work of Milkovic.

That is FAKE.

First:

Find somebody to see realy mesurmens.

Second:

Milkovic work just to self promote. For example -
Whay Milkovic is only on english version of Wikipedia?
"Academic" whit no colege.
Some of Milkovic's acknowlegments are letters from Washintowns library. (Milkovic send his book to library, and thanking replay find plane in his town newspapers in title "America first acknowlage Milkovics work".

Milkovic just have good marketing NOTHING ELSE!

See also some other text on his web page and you will see that Milkovic is not "lunatic" or "creasy", Milkovic is "retard".

example:
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/ArheologijaEng.html

Ask him milkovic@neobee.net

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2006, 01:08:37 AM »
Hi,

Do you think this video is also fake?
 http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Video/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-7)_Universal_oscillator-generator.wmv

18 lamps are operated by the energy from 1 lamp...  Is this a fake video??  Please speak up if you know facts.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2006, 01:16:17 AM »
@ Katalinsk

It's interesting that this person you call a "retard" has a very nice website with lot's of valid content such as the earth home and such. As well I have done some math on his pendulum and quite frankly I find it very innovative as well as his understanding of it's complex movements. So overall I find it very hard to believe anything you have said, with no proof whatsoever being offered.

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