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UPDATE - I made some corrections to this post
Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
The best I have found on the internet, are :
- The monopole spherical device, created at the university of barcelona, however, that needs to be super-cooled, to turn it into a super-conductor, for it to function
Also, when you examine the usual diagram showing it's field-lines, it does seem as if those field-lines curve on both sides of the device, and you sort of think that they may meet outside of the diagram, therefore behaving like a normal magnet
You would expect video demonstrations of this device, and it's effect and range, on other permanent-magnets and metal objects, but there seem to be no videos
- And the other design I found, is the video below, and is only a software simulation, however, for such a simple design, it is very impressive :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K09FFxsgtsQ
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My designs are on the diagram below
However, I have noticed that at least one of my designs is similar to an already available, cheap, claimed Monopole-Permanent-Magnet product on the internet, even before I posted it this week ( and I doubt that I posted or designed many of my designs before the last week or so )
In the diagram :
- Monopole-Design-A - Is a side-view of a Cone-Shaped-Permanent-Magnet, that has a hollow shaft running through it's center
- Monopole-Design-B - Is a side-view, and is an attempt to copy and design a 3D version of the one in the video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K09FFxsgtsQ
- Monopole-Design-C - Is a side-view of a Solid Cone-Shaped-Permanent-Magnet
- Monopole-Design-D - Is a side-view of a Cone-Shaped-Permanent-Magnet, that has a different hollow shaft running through it's center, to that of 'Monopole-Design-A'
- Monopole-Design-E - Is a side-view - 'Magnet-W' is inside the hollow shaft of 'Cylinder-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X',
I THOUGHT AN EFFECTIVE MODIFICATION WITH THIS DESIGN IS TO :
- Just seal of one end of 'Cylinder-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X'
- However, the small magnet inside the cylinder may connect with the opposite end of the large cylinder, something that may happen regardless of blocking of one end of the large cylinder , I don't know .
- The only problem with this solution is that it blocks the type of energy flow( from the external environment ? ) effect through the magnet that I was hoping for .
- You could also have a long 'Rectangular-Shaped-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X' and a rectangular 'Magnet-W'
- Monopole-Design-F - Is an attempt the play with the relevant strengths at the ends of the magnet, and try and put an awkwardly long thin weak link between them
- Monopole-Design-G - I only made this design to show the idea of using hollow-shafts to try and mix different fields
- Monopole-Design-H -
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So obviously the aim of my designs is to produce some type of 'coherent' magnetic beam / ray, just by using 'Permanent-Magnets', by not allowing the 2 poles of the permanent-magnet to connect with each other, as illustrated on my 2nd diagram, below
Just to clarify, that my Monopole-Permanent-Magnet designs, may not be the same thing as the standard definition of a magnetic-monopole , since the standard definition of a magnetic-monopole may be like a sphere ( like a proton ) radiating out a single field out in ALL directions, like a proton
The 2nd diagram below, is a diagram of my version of the magnetic-field of my versions of Monopole-Permanent-Magnets
( NOTE - In 2nd diagram below, I have not used my designs for Monopole-Permanent-Magnets , instead, I just show a normal 'Non-Monopole' Permanent-Magnet, in order to make it easier to see the monopole fields I want to try and achieve
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Two things
First, magnetic monopoles were successfully created 5 years ago
Here’s one of the 3 methods that I know of for “at-Home” creation
there are other, more advanced methods that require a lab.
https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY (https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY)
Second, if you dig through the “tri-force” threads on this forum
~8-9 yrs ago someone here discovered how the tri-force can create
a singular-pole magnetic beam. (magnetic laser)
Enabling the normal 2-3 inch field to be extended several meters.
North in one direction, south split in two other corners of a triangle,
vice versa, or in another arrangement, a singular opposite pole vectored
at an angle (not 180-degrees)
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What I would like to know is
What is the design for “perpetual motion”
That we have always heard magnetic monopoles
are supposed to be capable of? ??? ?
Playing with them, they are nothing more than 1/2
of a magnetic dipole.
But in all effect, behave like one side of a normal magnet.
If it is a north monopole, it attracts south and repels north
and if it’s a south, it attracts north and repels south.
I haven’t found anything special about them, except that they
appear to be missing their other pole....
Experiments confirm my suspicions, that they behave similar to electric charges.
If magnetic monopoles could create perpetual motion, then electric charges
would do the same.
But they don’t.
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@sm0ky2
I noticed your post above:
Second, if you dig through the “tri-force” threads on this forum[/size]~8-9 yrs ago someone here discovered how the tri-force can createa singular-pole magnetic beam. (magnetic laser)Enabling the normal 2-3 inch field to be extended several meters.North in one direction, south split in two other corners of a triangle,vice versa, or in another arrangement, a singular opposite pole vectoredat an angle (not 180-degrees)
After doing some searching I wasn't able to find a diagram/drawing of that ~ do you have an image or can you point me to one?
truesearch
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Second, if you dig through the “tri-force” threads on this forum
~8-9 yrs ago someone here discovered how the tri-force can create
a singular-pole magnetic beam. (magnetic laser)
Enabling the normal 2-3 inch field to be extended several meters.
North in one direction, south split in two other corners of a triangle,
vice versa, or in another arrangement, a singular opposite pole vectored
at an angle (not 180-degrees)
I can not find( details below ) any mention of the Permanent-magnet-laser you mentioned, although I searched via google rather than reading all through the threads, a direct-link or diagrams would function .
If that was done only using Permanent-magnets, it is exactly why I am currently interested in Monopoles, for a Permanent-magnet-laser done by only using permanent-magnets, not for magnet-motors .
This seems somehow much bigger( in a different way ) than overunity-generators or perpetual-motion , imagine if a permanent-magnet-laser did work, and you put it on a balloon 2-km in altitude, maybe the permanent-magnet-laser could reach to the earth ( since there's no metallic material absorbing it in the sky )
I have tried putting the text below( and other similar searches ), in Google-normal-search, and in Google-image-search, but have not found the "singular-pole magnetic beam(magnetic laser)" in the tri-force threads, or anywhere on overunity.com :
"tri-force" "beam" site:.overunity.com
"singular pole" "magnetic beam" site:.overunity.com
What I would like to know is
What is the design for “perpetual motion”
That we have always heard magnetic monopoles
are supposed to be capable of? ??? ?
Playing with them, they are nothing more than 1/2
of a magnetic dipole.
But in all effect, behave like one side of a normal magnet.
If it is a north monopole, it attracts south and repels north
and if it’s a south, it attracts north and repels south.
I haven’t found anything special about them, except that they
appear to be missing their other pole....
Experiments confirm my suspicions, that they behave similar to electric charges.
If magnetic monopoles could create perpetual motion, then electric charges
would do the same.
But they don’t.
I can see why people may have wanted a monopole, for the simplest magnet-motor design, where a rectangular-magnet-stator, only has it's side( not the N or S pole ) facing directly to the center of the rotating-wheel .
But I thought that even with a monopole, that there would still be a sticky-point .
I don't know if magnetic-monopoles could create perpetual-motion, but what about an electrostatic version of "magnet-motor-3.5" .
If the triangular-components on "magnet-motor-3.5" where only electrostatically-charged material, would the stators( electrostatic versions ) below them try and go the the thickest-part of the electrostatically-charged-triangle.
Note : On the normal magnetic version of "magnet-motor-3.5", only 3 or 4 triangles would have to be permanent-magnets, the little-square-stators could just be metal( not permanent-magnets ) .
Strangely, I can no longer load the overunity.com pages containing "magnet-motor-3.5", by clicking the images that come up from putting the following text, in a Google-image-search :
"magnet-motor-3.5" site:.overunity.com/
That search also brings up a diagram of an updated version of "magnet-motor-3.5"
The problem may be that the announced website rennovations on overunity.com , may have caused some links to stop working
The following link goes straight to a post containing that motor :
http://overunity.com/15774/permanent-magnet-motor/msg475921/#msg475921
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As I mentioned in my previous post, it would be excellent if we had some links or diagrams about the "singular-pole magnetic beam. (magnetic laser)" that sm0ky2 mentioned, but some of those tri-force threads have too many pages to read through
In the first diagram in my first post on this thread, the poles in 'Version( A )', 'Version( B )', 'Version( C )', 'Version( D )', 'Version( H )', should be switched around
A much easier way to make some of my Monopole-designs, in particular 'Version( E )', 'Version( H )', 'may'( ? ) be to use a Diamagnetic material such as Graphite to try and shield or deflect magnetic-fields
For example, the 'Cylinder-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X' in 'Version( E )' could be made of Graphite, which I assume would enable it to be very long, and prevent the N and S of 'Magnet-W' from connecting with each other
Note - a tiny piece of Graphite can float in between 2 long magnets, however, the picture on the following webpage, could( don't know ) disprove the choice of Graphite
http://scitoys.com/board/messages/1/434.html?1289671297
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@sm0ky2
sm0ky2 mentioned on a thread that when he applied current to 2 hollow metal-spheres, that they remained locked together after he disconnected the current
- Maybe it was some type of 'Charge-Seperation'( Electrostatic ) like in an Electrophorus, and maybe the sphere's also held the charge inside , unless it was magnetic or electromagnetic
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Note : I have now thought up a possibly( ? ) even better Monopole-design,
- That would be to simply attract the N end of a permanent-magnet( A ) so strongly( with an external force ), that the S end of permanent-magnet( A ) will not connect with it's own N end, doing that with some type of external magnet or electromagnet or something( unless an electric force can somehow be used )
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Just read this thread, looking for a monopole ?? I did a video for my YT post in 2012 link below..
Acca…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU)
PS …..Look in to Floyd Sweet on programing magnets.. hint…
Mon-pole scientist view is ….
Alan Tennant explains what magnetic monopoles are, the most challenging aspects of the experimental setup for their observation at Berlin research reactor BER II, the significance of their discovery for future applications and the international collaboration with research groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgios9zEuJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgios9zEuJ4)
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@postingsite,
I still haven't found where the "tri-force" magnetic-laser is described. . .
But here are some magnetic-beam links ~ one from this site that didn't ever get fully test the way I remember:
http://overunity.com/10126/magnetic-lens/#.Wo8p6K6nHIU (http://overunity.com/10126/magnetic-lens/#.Wo8p6K6nHIU)
or
http://www.rexresearch.com/bushman/bushman.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/bushman/bushman.htm)
truesearch
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@truesearch
Those links are great, there's patents, and they seem to claim this was the antigravity propulsion
It would be great if anyone can sometime post a video of a Permanent-Magnet-Laser
sm0ky2 seems to have detailed how to replicate it, on the following post :
http://overunity.com/17578/successfully-looped-smot/msg517021/#msg517021
From what little could be learned from the magneticnlaser experiment
is was a field compression effect
It can be done with the magnetic meridian, as well as either pole.
But the simplest form
was n-n-n
or s-s-s
Repelling each other, until the center field collapsed into a finite beam.
sm0ky2 typed :
"Repelling each other, until the center field collapsed into a finite beam"
So he says beam instead of laser, but he may mean laser, since earlier he described the distance as being several meters
Also, I'm wondering where he typed :
"until the center field collapsed into a finite beam"
Was it like a temporary pulse, or like a permanent beam/laser
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Those are my terms, to give a description of the effect.
It could more accurately be called a linear magnetic field.
Temporarily permanent, as it decreases the strength of the magnets.
As will any situation where you force magnets into repulsion for long time periods.
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The built-in search engine on this site is no longer adequate.
There is too much content for it to function properly.
Did a manual digging last night, but I can’t seem to find all of the
Tri-force threads... came across 4 in the Mechanical section,
But there may be others hidden under theory or another category.
A quick skim through those came up with nothing.
3 hrs search is more than I was wanting to invest, so I’m done there.
When I get home Monday i’ll build a model to show the linearly compressed field.
My tri-force magnets currently are the cheap Chinese knock-off brand
So I doubt I will get a great distance.
But I should be able to show the normal reach, and the extended “laser beam” type field effects.
This will be 2nd in my list, as I have an inertial propulsion demo to make first.
Then magnetic laser (monopolar linear magnetic field compression)
Its actually a di-pole Effect, but the opposite poles are vectored off the 180-line.
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@sm0ky2
Had any time to put together a model of this magnetic-beam (monopolar linear magnetic field compression) effect? And I respect your other experimenting and interests so I'm not pressuring you :)
truesearch
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@sm0ky2
Had any time to put together a model of this magnetic-beam (monopolar linear magnetic field compression) effect? And I respect your other experimenting and interests so I'm not pressuring you :)
truesearch
Ok so, it’s been over a dacade since I played with this stuff
took me several attempts to get the configuration
Because my set-up uses a magnet on a string
I have to wait for it to stop moving before I can
show the next test.
So I will have to break this up into 2 videos
First I will describe the arrangements
for this I am using the 3-sided “pyramidal” arrangement
The focus is on the tri-pole interface
This case being 3 south poles on a single ball
An amplification can be achieved by orienting like poles on the opposing balls
To cause a reflection of the field along each axis of the pyramid
The angle of repelling fields causes a linear extension out of the apex
This I will show in the first part of the video
As well as 3 linear magnets to show the effective field distance
under non-compressed conditions
The second video (after it stops) will show the effective distance of the compressed field.
These magnets are weak, so the distances involved are something like 9 inches and 30 inches
The compressed field actually demonstrates an effective field at greater than 30 inches
but it is very weak and showing that takes a while of rocking back and forth to get the movement going.
Both cases are affected by the earths magnetic field, which is fairly close to the ‘at rest orientation’
This has some effect on the distances.
they would be further outside of the earths field.
and using stronger magnets will amplify the effect as well.
I will post a link here once I finish recording and put them on the tube.
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Here’s something I found where they create similar effects
to create an effective monopole
The mechanism they show with the flipping bar magnets
is the basis for a magnetic computer
https://youtu.be/l5xSjCePgEQ (https://youtu.be/l5xSjCePgEQ)
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@sm0ky2
Thanks for sharing this information! And looking forward to seeing your videos when you have the time to post them.
truesearch
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Ok, sorry about the delay
had to wait for a quiet filming environment
that coincided with my free time.
But input together this small demonstration
these magnets only partially compress the field
arrangements made with stronger magnets can greatly exaggerate the effect
https://youtu.be/IWZJGFQ6XRk (https://youtu.be/IWZJGFQ6XRk)
Enjoy
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@sm0ky2
Thanks! Now understand what you were describing.
With me, a visual does alot for trying to wrap my brain around a concept. . .
Thanks again,
trueseach
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@sm0ky2
Thanks! Now understand what you were describing.
With me, a visual does alot for trying to wrap my brain around a concept. . .
Thanks again,
trueseach
No problem.
It was exciting to me at the time, as well.
Wish I had some stronger magnets to show this, but mine are either too weak,
or so strong they won't hold to the ball...
By changing the compression, this can be focused more than I show.
Not a real monopole, like the curie-temp method,
But we can extend one side of the field by compressing it this way.
When this was discovered, I didn't know a lot about field compression.
took a lot of watching viewing film, and Fe-sim images, to gain an understanding
of how the fields change shape in repulsion.
And the opposite in attraction, they stretch towards each other, instead of wrapping
back to their own ends.
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Ok, sorry about the delay
had to wait for a quiet filming environment
that coincided with my free time.
But input together this small demonstration
these magnets only partially compress the field
arrangements made with stronger magnets can greatly exaggerate the effect
https://youtu.be/IWZJGFQ6XRk (https://youtu.be/IWZJGFQ6XRk)
Enjoy
I can see the effect, although you don't have the ideal magnets etc, but even more impressive, is the diagram,
That diagram made me wonder, that maybe if you did have unusually strong enough magnets, that maybe the field from the ball, or rather, more-so from the beam itself, would not be able to reach back to the closest points of the opposite polarity on the permanent-magnets, in other words, that sufficiently strong enough magnets could maybe result in a monopole effect
( Although, logically, stronger magnets should only ever result in greater range, rather than an eventual monopole effect )
Since you had already detailed how to achieve the effect in a previous post( posts ), and then someone posted some links that showed this( or something very similar ) had been patented, I thought that maybe other people, could have replicated it before you, and posted their's, since other people may be better equipped to show this particular effect .
( I suppose people would only try and debunk this if there was any overunity involved, although you don't see this effect used for desk-toys or anything, maybe the magnets would not last long )
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Maybe this effect seen under a magnetic-field-viewer would be interesting, you'd think there'd be other people better equipped to show this
I'm still not sure if the metallic-balls used in the demonstration are magnets, or non-magnets.
( I just tried to replicate it, using permanent-magnet-spheres, and I made cylinder-magnets out of numerous symmetrical-button-shape-magnets, I'm not sure what results I got , it's not easy if you're not properly equiped )
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What are the practical implications of this monopole?
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What are the practical implications of this monopole?
I have not found a practical application for monopoles at all.
Neither the simulated ones nor the actual monopoles....
That is the strangest thing about monopole magnets
Most of my life I listened to physicists talk about the
“if only we had a monopole”
Many blatantly stated that a monopole magnet would
make “perpetual motion possible”.
I wish I would have asked “how?”
Because I am clueless
I can’t figure out anything special to do with a north pole
magnet, that I can’t already do with the north side of a dipole.
The south monopoles are the same way. They are a south magnet.
Repels south, attracts north.
If anyone knows anything about the old-world ideology concerning monopoles
Please give some insight to this mystery.
What do we do with them?
Why were they thought to be special when we didn’t have them?
It’s like the “energy saver” button on my microwave....
It saves me 12cents a yr in electricity, at the expense of my clock
It has no practical application (that I can see)
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Just noticed you said “implications”
I don’t know the answer to that one either.....
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a magnetic-field-viewer image of the magnetic-laser( achieved via the dipole effect ) would probably be the most effective way to see it,
I'm sure that there's other people for which it would be much more convenient to do that rather than just sm0ky2, he has already provided all the information for this
unless, anyone has a link to any better demonstration, or a magnetic-field-viewer image on the internet
( my replication did not go so well since I used a magnetic-ball, instead of a non-magnetic-ball, unless I'm wrong )
this probably could be sold a a magnetic-novelty item
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Monopole magnets are synonymous to electric charge
They have no special function that I have been able to ascertain
In the same manner that like electric charges repel
and opposite electric charges attract
An electric dipole might be more interesting
(only because I do not currently have one)
though it is likely to be equally disappointing
For years people thought this would be the “holy grail” of magnetism.
Turns out it’s pretty useless...
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Nice explanation etc. SmOky2
thanks
Even a long thin bar magnet (N and S poles at the ends) exhibits some properties of a mono pole.
At the pole (after some distance from a pole) force drops off as the inverse of the square of the distance from the pole.
But a true mono pole would be a single pole omni-directionally.
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Nice explanation etc. SmOky2
thanks
Even a long thin bar magnet (N and S poles at the ends) exhibits some properties of a mono pole.
At the pole (after some distance from a pole) force drops off as the inverse of the square of the distance from the pole.
But a true mono pole would be a single pole omni-directionally.
Yes, those are what is obtained from the electromagnetic Kelvin droppers
https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY (https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY)
and a few other methods from 4-5 yrs ago
With the exception of lacking their opposite polarity
there is no real difference in how they behave
you get more of a pure attraction and repulsion
without the trying to turn itself around
but also lose the convenience of being able to turn it around
(shrugs)
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You can supercool 2 adjacent magnets and separate them
you will have a temporary monopole pair (repulsion only)
one will be north, one will be south
don’t let them get close again
test with another magnet or ‘compass’
Fun to play with
until they warm up
or get exposed to another strong opposite pole
then they repolarize