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Author Topic: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets  (Read 12034 times)

sm0ky2

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2018, 12:35:12 AM »
Ok, sorry about the delay
had to wait for a quiet filming environment
that coincided with my free time.


But input together this small demonstration
these magnets only partially compress the field
arrangements made with stronger magnets can greatly exaggerate the effect
https://youtu.be/IWZJGFQ6XRk


Enjoy

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2018, 01:19:51 AM »
@sm0ky2

Thanks! Now understand what you were describing.
With me, a visual does alot for trying to wrap my brain around a concept. . .

Thanks again,
trueseach

sm0ky2

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2018, 05:13:09 AM »
@sm0ky2

Thanks! Now understand what you were describing.
With me, a visual does alot for trying to wrap my brain around a concept. . .

Thanks again,
trueseach


No problem.
It was exciting to me at the time, as well.
Wish I had some stronger magnets to show this, but mine are either too weak,
or so strong they won't hold to the ball...


By changing the compression, this can be focused more than I show.
Not a real monopole, like the curie-temp method,
But we can extend one side of the field by compressing it this way.


When this was discovered, I didn't know a lot about field compression.
took a lot of watching viewing film, and Fe-sim images, to gain an understanding
of how the fields change shape in repulsion.
And the opposite in attraction, they stretch towards each other, instead of wrapping
back to their own ends.










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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2018, 12:12:00 AM »
Ok, sorry about the delay
had to wait for a quiet filming environment
that coincided with my free time.


But input together this small demonstration
these magnets only partially compress the field
arrangements made with stronger magnets can greatly exaggerate the effect
https://youtu.be/IWZJGFQ6XRk


Enjoy

I can see the effect,  although you don't have the ideal magnets etc,     but even more impressive,  is the diagram, 
    That diagram made me wonder,    that maybe if you did have unusually strong enough magnets,     that maybe the field from the ball,  or rather,  more-so from the beam itself,    would  not  be able to reach back to the closest points of the opposite polarity on the  permanent-magnets,   in  other words,      that  sufficiently strong enough magnets could maybe result in a  monopole effect
     (   Although,  logically,  stronger magnets should only ever result in greater range,  rather than an eventual monopole effect    )

Since you had already detailed how to achieve the effect in a previous post( posts ),   and then someone posted some links that showed this( or something very similar ) had been patented,  I thought that maybe  other  people,    could have replicated it before you,  and posted their's,    since other people may be better equipped to show this particular effect  .     

(  I suppose people would only try and debunk this if there was any overunity involved,  although you don't see this effect used for desk-toys or anything,  maybe the magnets would not last long  )
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Maybe this effect seen  under a  magnetic-field-viewer would be interesting,  you'd think there'd be other people better equipped to show this

I'm still not sure if the  metallic-balls used  in the demonstration are magnets,  or non-magnets.
    (  I just tried to replicate it,  using    permanent-magnet-spheres,     and I made cylinder-magnets  out of numerous  symmetrical-button-shape-magnets,   I'm not sure what results I got ,  it's not easy if you're not properly equiped  )

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2018, 03:40:10 AM »
What are the practical implications of this monopole?

sm0ky2

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2018, 09:58:42 AM »
What are the practical implications of this monopole?


I have not found a practical application for monopoles at all.
Neither the simulated ones nor the actual monopoles....


That is the strangest thing about monopole magnets
Most of my life I listened to physicists talk about the
“if only we had a monopole”
Many blatantly stated that a monopole magnet would
make “perpetual motion possible”.


I wish I would have asked “how?”
Because I am clueless


I can’t figure out anything special to do with a north pole
magnet, that I can’t already do with the north side of a dipole.


The south monopoles are the same way. They are a south magnet.
Repels south, attracts north.


If anyone knows anything about the old-world ideology concerning monopoles
Please give some insight to this mystery.
What do we do with them?
Why were they thought to be special when we didn’t have them?


It’s like the “energy saver” button on my microwave....
It saves me 12cents a yr in electricity, at the expense of my clock
It has no practical application (that I can see)




sm0ky2

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2018, 09:59:38 AM »
Just noticed you said “implications”


I don’t know the answer to that one either.....

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2018, 10:51:57 PM »
  a  magnetic-field-viewer  image  of the  magnetic-laser( achieved via the dipole effect ) would probably be the most effective way to see it, 
 
     I'm sure that there's other people for which  it would be much more convenient to do that rather than just  sm0ky2, he has already provided all the information for this

   unless,   anyone has a link to any better demonstration, or a magnetic-field-viewer  image on the internet

  ( my replication did not go so well since I used a  magnetic-ball,   instead of a  non-magnetic-ball,  unless I'm wrong )

  this probably could be sold a a  magnetic-novelty item


sm0ky2

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2018, 08:41:28 AM »
Monopole magnets are synonymous to electric charge


They have no special function that I have been able to ascertain


In the same manner that like electric charges repel
and opposite electric charges attract


An electric dipole might be more interesting
(only because I do not currently have one)
though it is likely to be equally disappointing


For years people thought this would be the “holy grail” of magnetism.


Turns out it’s pretty useless...




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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2018, 04:55:14 PM »
Nice explanation etc. SmOky2
    thanks

Even a long thin bar magnet (N and S poles at the  ends) exhibits some properties of a mono pole.
At the pole (after some distance from a pole) force drops off as the inverse of the square of the distance from the pole.

But a true mono pole would be a single pole omni-directionally.

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2018, 09:03:45 PM »
Nice explanation etc. SmOky2
    thanks

Even a long thin bar magnet (N and S poles at the  ends) exhibits some properties of a mono pole.
At the pole (after some distance from a pole) force drops off as the inverse of the square of the distance from the pole.

But a true mono pole would be a single pole omni-directionally.


Yes, those are what is obtained from the electromagnetic Kelvin droppers
https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY
and a few other methods from 4-5 yrs ago


With the exception of lacking their opposite polarity
there is no real difference in how they behave


you get more of a pure attraction and repulsion
without the trying to turn itself around
but also lose the convenience of being able to turn it around
(shrugs)

sm0ky2

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2018, 10:28:20 PM »
You can supercool 2 adjacent magnets and separate them


you will have a temporary monopole pair (repulsion only)
one will be north, one will be south
don’t let them get close again
test with another magnet or ‘compass’

Fun to play with
until they warm up
or get exposed to another strong opposite pole
then they repolarize