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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 65179 times)

Offline Jeg

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #465 on: March 29, 2018, 04:50:25 PM »


Search of the switching frequency:


Hi cheors.
Thanks for sharing your calculations.

When we state the 'delay' function, actually we set the 'on' time of a pin output. So the corresponded frequency is not 1/delay, but 1\(2*delay) instead.



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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #466 on: March 29, 2018, 04:52:48 PM »
cheors
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- I think we do not have the exact program:
* The instruction map of Luc is different from the one that is broadcast by Pierre on Youtube.
* We never see all the LEDs off contrary to what is expected with the Youtube version.

end quote
------------------------------------------------
Sir
When you say "the instruction map from Luc"

you are referring to the "Code" which Pierre sent Luc [and he shared here??] is different than the "code" presented by Pierre in his recent Vid ?

and the Pierre presented You tube Code does not match what we should see in his demonstration?


sorry for the intrusion,
Respectfully
Chet K

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #467 on: March 29, 2018, 05:09:29 PM »

If you do not need the pot, but only a fixed switch time, i would suggest this:



/************************************************
  Pierre's Original Sketch

  Modded by CM 29 Mar 2018
  Modded by CM 25 Mar 2018
  Modded by TK 24 Mar 2018
  altered for 30-slot stator (gotoluc)

  TKTest Version using pins 2-11,12-21,22-31
************************************************/

// Timers
unsigned long timeStart = 0;
unsigned long currentTime = 0;
bool coilState = HIGH;
int  x = 0;

int coilSequence[] = { 11, 3, 2, 4, 3, 5, 4, 6, 5, 7, 6, 8, 7, 9, 8, 10, 9, 11, 10, 2 };   // set the firing order
int waitTime = 1000;   // time between switching in millis() , this can also be micros()


void setup() // initialize all needed digital pins as OUTPUT
{
  int pin = 1;
  for (pin = 1; pin <= 31; pin ++)
  {
    pinMode(pin, OUTPUT);
  }
}


void loop()
{
  for (int x = 0; x < 20 ; ) ;
  {
    currentTime = millis();   // use micros() if you want to use that
    if (currentTime - timeStart > waitTime) // set the wait time
    {
      coilState = ! coilState ; // switch state
      digitalWrite(coilSequence[x], coilState), digitalWrite((coilSequence[x] + 10), coilState), digitalWrite((coilSequence[x] + 20), coilState);   // turn on or off
      timeStart = currentTime ;// reset start time
      x++;
    }
  }
}

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #468 on: March 29, 2018, 06:00:23 PM »
arne,
.est ce vraiment un champ rotative ? ne peut-il pas s'agir d'un champ vibratoire ? 
EN:
 Is it really a rotating field? can not it be a vibratory field?

Your quote: I think thats the core question. A stepping stumbling field contra a smooth floting field as a real moving magnet. I think thats the differece between my 13% output power, or some more, contra Over Unity ! As Pierre says: If you only rotates a magnetic field, you will not get much voltage (power?) Something is missing.


FR/ Votre citation: Je pense que c'est la question centrale. Un trébuchement progressif contre un champ de flottation lisse comme un aimant mobile réel. Je pense que c'est la différence entre ma puissance de sortie de 13%, ou un peu plus, à propos de l'unité ! Si Pierre dit:  Si vous ne faites que tourner un champ magnétique, vous n'obtenez pas beaucoup de tension (courant?) Quelque chose manque.

Cordialement, Regards Arne

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #469 on: March 29, 2018, 08:17:24 PM »

When we state the 'delay' function, actually we set the 'on' time of a pin output. So the corresponded frequency is not 1/delay, but 1\(2*delay) instead.

The same delay after each switch on or switch off set of instructions :

"digitalWrite(2,HIGH), digitalWrite(14,HIGH), digitalWrite(26,HIGH); // turn the LEDs on
  delay(x);  // wait x milliseconds
  digitalWrite(1,LOW),  digitalWrite(13,LOW),  digitalWrite(25,LOW);  // turn the LEDs off
  delay(x);  // wait x milliseconds  "

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #469 on: March 29, 2018, 08:17:24 PM »
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #470 on: March 29, 2018, 08:27:57 PM »
When you say "the instruction map from Luc"

you are referring to the "Code" which Pierre sent Luc [and he shared here??] is different than the "code" presented by Pierre in his recent Vid ?

and the Pierre presented You tube Code does not match what we should see in his demonstration?


Sorry for the poor translation:

Differences: x = map(y,0,1000,1,10); ( Youtube)  and x = map(y,0,1000,1,100); (Luc)

Pierre youtube last lines :
"
digitalWrite(10,LOW),  digitalWrite(22,LOW),  digitalWrite(34,LOW);     // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
  delay(x);              // wait for a second
  digitalWrite(12,HIGH), digitalWrite(24,HIGH), digitalWrite(36,HIGH); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
  delay(x);              // wait for a second
  digitalWrite(11,LOW),  digitalWrite(23,LOW),  digitalWrite(35,LOW);     // turn the LED off by making the voltage LOW
  delay(x);              // wait for a second
  digitalWrite(12,LOW), digitalWrite(24,LOW), digitalWrite(36,LOW); // turn the LED on (HIGH is the voltage level)
  delay(x);              // wait for a second"

As you can see all ouputs are switched to low state for x mSeconds.
We should not see any blue or /and red  LEDS at the end of each program loop

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #471 on: March 29, 2018, 08:29:33 PM »
Cherryman's sketch compiled and uploaded fine but did not result in any flashing lights. I think I finally figured out what was wrong, and I applied a couple of corrections and now I get flashing lights as intended. I think. And I re-inserted the option for potentiometer speed control.

My corrections/insertions are highlighted below:



/************************************************
  Pierre's Original Sketch
 
  Corrected by TK 29 Mar 2018
  Modded by CM 29 Mar 2018
  Modded by CM 25 Mar 2018
  Modded by TK 24 Mar 2018
  altered for 30-slot stator (gotoluc)

  TKTest Version using pins 2-11,12-21,22-31
************************************************/

// Timers
unsigned long timeStart = 0;
unsigned long currentTime = 0;
boolean coilState = HIGH;
int  x = 0;

int coilSequence[] = { 11, 3, 2, 4, 3, 5, 4, 6, 5, 7, 6, 8, 7, 9, 8, 10, 9, 11, 10, 2 };   // set the firing order
int waitTime = 1000;   // time between switching in millis() , this can also be micros()


void setup() // initialize all needed digital pins as OUTPUT
{
  int pin = 1;
  for (pin = 1; pin <= 31; pin ++)
  {
    pinMode(pin, OUTPUT);
  }
}


void loop()
{
  for (int x = 0; x < 20 ;)
  {
    currentTime = millis();   // use micros() if you want to use that
   
if (currentTime - timeStart > waitTime) // set the wait time  // OR for pot speed control use:
//  if (currentTime - timeStart > (map(analogRead(A0),0,1023,1,100)))

   
    {
      coilState = ! coilState ; // switch state
      digitalWrite(coilSequence[x], coilState), digitalWrite((coilSequence[x] + 10), coilState), digitalWrite((coilSequence[x] + 20), coilState);   // turn on or off
      timeStart = currentTime ;// reset start time
      x++;
    }
  }
}

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #471 on: March 29, 2018, 08:29:33 PM »
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Offline forest

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #472 on: March 29, 2018, 08:41:10 PM »

everybody here is so clever, genius....hmm
so let me ask you something...
what are you looking for ?
what are the "properties" of ordinary generator (a "definition" of property may useful)?
what we  want to eliminate from such ordinary generator (this should be simple question now,right )?
now,how generator can be simulated FULLY keeping properties ?[/size]


so,it's quite simple but you are asking wrong questions
(no, I didn't said it is easy to make - it obvious when you ask correct question)
(no, I don't know HOW Pierre was able to do it, but... keep in mind above. Someone could not know the answer, but knowing what to look for is enough to find answer if properly motivated... but if someone don't know the correct question - he is lost no matter how pretty is replication how big tools and how much money he has)


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #473 on: March 29, 2018, 08:45:18 PM »
The "correct question" is for someone to get it together to perform a real test of _Pierre's_ original apparatus and self-running claim. If that claim turns out to be false or somehow misunderstood... then why are we wasting our time (and money) at all? If the claim DOES turn out to be true, then even if Pierre doesn't want to share the secret, it will be worthwhile for us to continue because we will eventually find it. As long as it actually exists, that is. But why look for a needle in a haystack unless you know the needle is actually in there somewhere?

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #474 on: March 29, 2018, 09:19:08 PM »

As you can see all ouputs are switched to low state for x mSeconds.
We should not see any blue or /and red  LEDS at the end of each program loop

It is a bug that has already been mentioned. Coils 12,24,36 have to be set 'OFF' at the begin of the sketch right after the lines which set the 1,13,25 to 'ON'. So

1,13,25 ON
12,24,36 OFF
2,14,26 ON
1,13,25 OFF
...etc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #475 on: March 29, 2018, 10:27:58 PM »
Cherryman's sketch compiled and uploaded fine but did not result in any flashing lights. I think I finally figured out what was wrong, and I applied a couple of corrections and now I get flashing lights as intended. I think. And I re-inserted the option for potentiometer speed control.

My corrections/insertions are highlighted below:



/************************************************
  Pierre's Original Sketch
 
  Corrected by TK 29 Mar 2018
  Modded by CM 29 Mar 2018
  Modded by CM 25 Mar 2018
  Modded by TK 24 Mar 2018
  altered for 30-slot stator (gotoluc)

  TKTest Version using pins 2-11,12-21,22-31
************************************************/

// Timers
unsigned long timeStart = 0;
unsigned long currentTime = 0;
boolean coilState = HIGH;
int  x = 0;

int coilSequence[] = { 11, 3, 2, 4, 3, 5, 4, 6, 5, 7, 6, 8, 7, 9, 8, 10, 9, 11, 10, 2 };   // set the firing order
int waitTime = 1000;   // time between switching in millis() , this can also be micros()


void setup() // initialize all needed digital pins as OUTPUT
{
  int pin = 1;
  for (pin = 1; pin <= 31; pin ++)
  {
    pinMode(pin, OUTPUT);
  }
 // pinMode(A0, INPUT);  // speed potentiometer wiper pin
}


void loop()
{
  for (int x = 0; x < 20 ; )
  {
    currentTime = millis();   // use micros() if you want to use that
   
if (currentTime - timeStart > waitTime) // set the wait time  // OR for pot speed control use:
//  if (currentTime - timeStart > (map(analogRead(A0),0,1023,1,100)))

   
    {
      coilState = ! coilState ; // switch state
      digitalWrite(coilSequence[x], coilState), digitalWrite((coilSequence[x] + 10), coilState), digitalWrite((coilSequence[x] + 20), coilState);   // turn on or off
      timeStart = currentTime ;// reset start time
      x++;
    }
  }
}


Tnx TK.  I have no clue why "Bool" did not work.
I put back in your A0 Input decleration.
I like some "on the fly, manual" control too : )

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #476 on: April 01, 2018, 11:53:52 AM »
I have now compared the repetitive blink and sound rate from Pierres films  with a flashing LED connected to my signal generator and got that  the repetition rate [one revolution] of his equipment is near 4.5 Hz.

Now guys explain to me how Pierre can run  a microwave oven with that frequency directly or multiplied by three magnets passing: 4.5 x 3 = 13.5 Hz,
 or six poles: 4.5 x 6 = 27 Hz  http://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/msg517907/#msg517907
60 divided by 4.5 = 13.3333 Not an integer!

In my eyes you have all been infecteed by some " build disease" untill some resonable explaniation can be given!
Many others here on both threads have been reacting in the same way also.

This is my last try to convince.

FR/
J'ai maintenant comparé le clignotement et le son répétitif des films de Pierres avec une LED clignotante connectée à mon générateur de signal et j'ai obtenu que le taux de répétition [un tour] de son équipement est proche de 4,5 Hz.

Maintenant, les gars m'expliquent comment Pierre peut faire fonctionner un four à micro-ondes avec cette fréquence directement ou multiplié par trois aimants: 4,5 x 3 = 13,5 Hz, ou six pôles: 4,5 x 6 = 27 Hz
60 divisé par 4,5 = 13,3333 Pas un nombre entier!

A mes yeux, vous avez tous été infectés par une "maladie de la construction" jusqu'à ce qu'une explication raisonnable puisse être donnée!
Beaucoup d'autres ici sur les deux threads ont réagi de la même manière aussi.

C'est mon dernier essai pour convaincre.

Regards Arne
« Last Edit: April 01, 2018, 04:49:48 PM by seaad »

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #477 on: April 01, 2018, 03:28:02 PM »
Seead said,
"This is my last try to convince."


Thank you


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #478 on: April 02, 2018, 03:12:22 AM »
I have now compared the repetitive blink and sound rate from Pierres films  with a flashing LED connected to my signal generator and got that  the repetition rate [one revolution] of his equipment is near 4.5 Hz.

Now guys explain to me how Pierre can run  a microwave oven with that frequency directly or multiplied by three magnets passing: 4.5 x 3 = 13.5 Hz,
 or six poles: 4.5 x 6 = 27 Hz  http://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/msg517907/#msg517907
60 divided by 4.5 = 13.3333 Not an integer!

FR/
J'ai maintenant comparé le clignotement et le son répétitif des films de Pierres avec une LED clignotante connectée à mon générateur de signal et j'ai obtenu que le taux de répétition [un tour] de son équipement est proche de 4,5 Hz.
I agree with you that each blue LED flashes on and off at a rate of about 4Hz (or somewhere between 3.5-4.5Hz). Based on his Arduino code, the minimum time between flashing the same LED  is 24 x (where x is the delay which has a minimum value of 1ms). Of this 24ms, his LED is only on for 3x (3ms), off for 21ms.

So it takes 24ms to switch from coil 1 to 2 to 3... to 12 band back to 1. The maximum frequency he can achieve with this minimum x=1ms delay is 1/0.024=41.666Hz, but again, this is assuming his Arduino delay is x=1ms. Based on visuals of the blue LEDs, the time it takes to switch from coil 1 to 2 to 3 to 12 and back to 1 is more like 0.24s which means x=10ms (relays on for 30ms, off for 210ms) and this would mean he is only producing 4.166Hz.

So indeed, his 60Hz readout on his display doesn't match his LED behavior. If the video is shot at 30fps (33.33ms), that means it can only grab an image every 33ms. That means there could be some subsampling going on, BUT, the sound of the video should not be restricted by subsampling (sound is usually captured at a much higher bandwidth, like 21kHz).

So indeed, this is still an open quesion. Hope Pierre would explain this.
PmgR

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #479 on: April 02, 2018, 11:41:31 AM »
I see exactly 60,5Hz


In the middle of the stator there is a coil. Not 1 coil but 2 coils.

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