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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 65178 times)

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #435 on: March 23, 2018, 10:50:57 AM »
Relays??  (me, TinselKoala, tinman, more. .)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8moN-nDHvzU&feature=youtu.be

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #436 on: March 23, 2018, 12:29:30 PM »
Oh come on if one man takes a day to a job how many  men would i need to do it in an hour ?

by sharing the load and organizing the timing !

I dont think you understand AG

36 - coils.... 36 slot stator, slot sharing is necessary to accommodate number of coils.
36 - transistors for controlling relays, 2 relays per transistor....
72 - relays....  2 per coil...

In order to complete one AC cycle,each paired relays have to switch on and off once.
We have 60 AC cycles per second(60Hz),and so each relay pair would have to switch on and off 60 times per second-->that is once every 16.6 milliseconds --not going to happen.

His relay noise should sound like the below---dose it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZ2P0KsLic

Watch this video of his in full screen HD.
Watch the iron filings very closely
Do they look like there jumping around at a 60Hz frequency?--no way.

How many wires should be going from the stator to the relay bank?-->36 live + 1 common at least.
Dose it look like there is 37 wires in the lume from the stator to the relay bank?--see pic below.

Also,it is a wonderful feat to achieve exact mains line frequency and voltage using mechanical relays.

Brad

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #437 on: March 23, 2018, 01:04:07 PM »
36  wires from the stator : 4 x 8 pins green connectors + 1 x  8 pins connector with only 4 wires attached
No need for a common wire  with that loop.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #438 on: March 23, 2018, 04:16:19 PM »
Possible ON time to relay X? (No!)

Until someone comes up with a better relay principle (timing), that makes the relays  able to work, I'm hesitant that Pierres Contraption works giving OU as shown in the movies!

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #439 on: March 25, 2018, 03:15:56 PM »
it's only to rotate the magnetic field you will not get much voltage with that there is something else that I keep secret it's like an engine that has no piston it does not start it's the same thing for the generator dz the important thing is not what we see but rather what we do not see I have seen too many people who want to take the merit in my place so my contribution will stop here now it will make you discover the rest by yourself and I can tell you that it is not won it took me nearly 2 years to find the solution rotation is only one aspect of the dz is really more complicated than that at least people will be able to learn to rotate a magnetic field but it will stop they will not get the result I had, I still have problems to settle but I think everything solve problems with the second prototype that is in manufacture I have for several months I need all over again from the beginning new circuit new coil more powerful and a brand new programming that looks pretty complicated to sequence then I wish you the best of luck for the sequel and beware of those who tries to keep the information to have it all want the information for them and does not reveal anything else I wonder why humm, when I have applied for a patent I can show you the rest of the generator dz version 2 but not before thank you.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #440 on: March 27, 2018, 01:08:07 AM »
A repost from Pierre at the moderated topic 

Here is the latest from Pierre


"The only concern I have are the mosfet's you use, I'm not sure if they will withstand the the input amperage? just a single coil takes a lot of amperage, check before how much one coil draws compared to the 2 amps the mosfet's can handle.

Well I have to argue that very strongly. Todays motor controls of just about every kind is done via transistors(mosfets mostly) from the tiniest toy drones to the controllers to drive electric bicycle hub motors to electric cars. Im working with some mosfets that are 1.4mohm on resistance and can handle gobs of current compared to the relays. Can run .2ohm loads at 4v, 20 amps continuous and the transistor barely gets warm, no heat sink. But i do use a sink to be rid of as much heat developed for max performance. 3034 mosfet.

Ive seen some very small surface mount mosfets that are just amazing(to me) as to what they can do, and no heat sink needed. If any of you do the vaping instead of smoking cigs, if you have a chance to take apart your hand held vape device, you will see what Im seeing. these are used as a buck/boost converter to drive the vape coils and have digital power adjustments.

Not to come down on Pierre but I think his thinking on this needs to be corrected.

Mags

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #441 on: March 27, 2018, 01:47:06 AM »
Mags, ikr, as they say. It really is a bit of a different situation if you are used to swapping FET's on RC stuff.
I can vouch for the A49T SMD MOSFETs, blew a factory fitted FET on an Eachine EO10 micro quad and the ridiculously powerful but cheap replacement is still running a year later. Altered another to run with 8mm motors with no issues and those things can draw 2A.
5.8A capable, likely with a heatsink plate of copper stuck on top with superglue or something. Or superglue a penny on top of it   ::)
Probably older design regular sized FET's are what he is referring to, but i've ordered the N-channel A49T and P channel A19T's.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/20PCS-AO3404-A49T-5-8A-30V-SOT23-N-Channel-MOSFET-SMD-transistor-NEW-/232077638730
$1.24 free shipping for 20 !!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20PCS-AO3401-A19T-4-2A-30V-SOT23-P-Channel-MOSFET-SMD-Transistor-BH-/183001699892
$0.77, $0.16 shipping, again for 20 of them

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #442 on: March 27, 2018, 11:06:54 PM »
 Hello all,

I just spotted this thread and I was following Pierre's videos. Just I missed long discussion, wow!

For Pierre - great job! I always dreamed about creating rotating magnetic field without moving magnet or coil and you just did it!.. :)
For Luc and other builders - great job on taking interest and trying to assemble setup. Now need to finish your rigs for actual testing if you still have spare time.

Here are my thoughts for breaking down whole thing into building blocks:

1) To make induction we have to alternate magnetic field. Without moving magnets or coils we only can achieve that when adding or removing power from additional electromagnets. Then have neutral point and polarity reversed when going around circle with switch on/off groups. This is also reflected in given numbers from Pierre. Which are 36 electromagnets with 6 poles. Which breaks down to 6 electromagnets per pole (5 active and 1 switched off to give space between poles as per Pierre's explanation video).
2) By activating 1st then 2,3,4,5th electromagnets we increase and decrease magnetic field strength so we can alternate resulting magnetic field in the core inside of stator. Which makes induction as the magnetic field strength changes.
3) When shifting starting coil number we simulating moving magnet poles
4) As the electromagnet is not treated like transformer primary we spend all current on plain wire resistance when each coil is activated. Which means when we put load on or off on the center core coil it does not lower electromagnet inductance any more as we relay on coil wire resistance already.
5) By collecting BEMF after each coil is switching off or getting induction from neighbour coil we recover partial energy back to the bank of super-capacitors.
6) The generated power is looped back to the input and the excessive power is taken to the load.

Now to my questions and things required to test so we can understand exactly what is going on:
1) On the BEMF/inductance recovery.  Luc and others - can you try to power on coils in the sequence I mentioned and see what amount of power is getting to recover? This defines overall COP of the system before we start talking about induction part. This is very important so we will know how much power in percentage is required to make system self running.
2) How much power you can induce after smoothing over shotky HV diode bridge and high voltage cap?
3) If COP of the system before looping back is less than 70% - do we miss any crucial steps when making magnetic field increase/decrease in 6 steps resolution? Like too long duty cycle on coils or something like that...
4) Would Pierre elaborate on my post and give some comments on his view of the whole thing?

So, any volunteers for making tests? :)

 Cheers!
T-1000
« Last Edit: April 01, 2018, 02:37:05 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #443 on: March 28, 2018, 12:03:22 AM »
When we are talking about rotating .magnetic field it is huge difference when creating it in stepping motor style with DC and the rotor is actually is not moving. It cannot be compared to polyphase motor as the effects on driving coils are different from the sine wave AC.
With what was done here would require 6 phase AC which is not doable so easy.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #444 on: March 28, 2018, 03:08:57 AM »
Mags, ikr, as they say. It really is a bit of a different situation if you are used to swapping FET's on RC stuff.
I can vouch for the A49T SMD MOSFETs, blew a factory fitted FET on an Eachine EO10 micro quad and the ridiculously powerful but cheap replacement is still running a year later. Altered another to run with 8mm motors with no issues and those things can draw 2A.
5.8A capable, likely with a heatsink plate of copper stuck on top with superglue or something. Or superglue a penny on top of it   ::)
Probably older design regular sized FET's are what he is referring to, but i've ordered the N-channel A49T and P channel A19T's.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/20PCS-AO3404-A49T-5-8A-30V-SOT23-N-Channel-MOSFET-SMD-transistor-NEW-/232077638730
$1.24 free shipping for 20 !!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20PCS-AO3401-A19T-4-2A-30V-SOT23-P-Channel-MOSFET-SMD-Transistor-BH-/183001699892
$0.77, $0.16 shipping, again for 20 of them

Hey Slider.  Good to see you around here. ;)

My examples were not Hv type but that can also be done.

here is the 3034 data sheet below

Applications
DC Motor Drive
High Efficiency Synchronous Rectification in SMPS
Uninterruptible Power Supply
High Speed Power Switching
Hard Switched and High Frequency Circuits

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #445 on: March 28, 2018, 10:42:43 AM »
Hello all,

I just spotted this thread and I was following Pierre's videos. Just I missed long discussion, wow!

So, I did read 41 pages of thread (mostly) and noticed it started going off the rails since page 30(typical as always). I would like to give a pinch for putting back to what was all about.

For Pierre - great job! I always dreamed about creating rotating magnetic field without moving magnet or coil and you just did it!.. :)
For Luc and other builders - great job on taking interest and trying to assemble setup. Now need to finish your rigs for actual testing if you still have spare time.

Here are my thoughts for breaking down whole thing into building blocks:

1) To make induction we have to alternate magnetic field. Without moving magnets or coils we only can achieve that when adding or removing power from additional electromagnets. Then have neutral point and polarity reversed when going around circle with switch on/off groups. This is also reflected in given numbers from Pierre. Which are 36 electromagnets with 6 poles. Which breaks down to 6 electromagnets per pole (5 active and 1 switched off to give space between poles as per Pierre's explanation video).
2) By activating 1st then 2,3,4,5th electromagnets we increase and decrease magnetic field strength so we can alternate resulting magnetic field in the core inside of stator. Which makes induction as the magnetic field strength changes.
3) When shifting starting coil number we simulating moving magnet poles
4) As the electromagnet is not treated like transformer primary we spend all current on plain wire resistance when each coil is activated. Which means when we put load on or off on the center core coil it does not lower electromagnet inductance any more as we relay on coil wire resistance already.
5) By collecting BEMF after each coil is switching off or getting induction from neighbour coil we recover partial energy back to the bank of super-capacitors.
6) The generated power is looped back to the input and the excessive power is taken to the load.

Now to my questions and things required to test so we can understand exactly what is going on:
1) On the BEMF/inductance recovery.  Luc and others - can you try to power on coils in the sequence I mentioned and see what amount of power is getting to recover? This defines overall COP of the system before we start talking about induction part. This is very important so we will know how much power in percentage is required to make system self running.
2) How much power you can induce after smoothing over shotky HV diode bridge and high voltage cap?
3) If COP of the system before looping back is less than 70% - do we miss any crucial steps when making magnetic field increase/decrease in 6 steps resolution? Like too long duty cycle on coils or something like that...
4) Would Pierre elaborate on my post and give some comments on his view of the whole thing?

So, any volunteers for making tests? :)

 Cheers!
T-1000

Hi T-1000,

I don't think anyone has a replication attempt running yet. There is a lot of work in this build.
In the moderated thread you will see that Pierre has stated that he did not want or expect anyone to replicate and he will be offering no further help.

Regards

L192

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #446 on: March 28, 2018, 10:48:36 AM »
This thread has been amazing for me to read.  The ignorance exhibited here is really fun to watch.  If most of the people posting their excitement about a rotating magnetic field would have taken the time to do a little research about how AC induction motors work they would have known already that they work because they all have a ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD.  That is what makes the rotor ROTATE.  I am not talking about any other motor than the AC induction motor.  DC motors operate entirely differently.  As a side note, Tesla was the first person to visualize a way of making a motor operate from AC with a rotating magnetic field.

Now I am not saying that Pierre's device doesn't work.  I am only saying that a rotating magnetic field is not something magical.  The way that Pierre is doing it MAY have something to do with the results he is getting.  Or maybe not.  I would love to see a rotor similar to his inserted into a normal AC induction motor and just supply it with the normal rotating magnetic field that would be there.  For those that have access to 3 phase power the results may be very interesting.

Someone suggested his results might be because of the phase shift caused by the rotor not being in full contact with all of the stator coils.  The normal AC rotating magnetic field should not be any different in that respect than the rotating magnetic field produced by all that elaborate circuitry of Pierre's device.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Hi Cifta,

Yes there is nothing magical about a rotating magnetic field alone.

Pierre has already stated  in the moderated thread, that there is something else that we can't see/have not seen, that is required to get the result he obtained.
This something he will not reveal to us.

Regards

L192


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #447 on: March 28, 2018, 03:41:14 PM »
Yes there is nothing magical about a rotating magnetic field alone.

Pierre has already stated  in the moderated thread, that there is something else that we can't see/have not seen, that is required to get the result he obtained.
This something he will not reveal to us.

L192

1) Study Pierres films to see if you can find the hidden cable .

Or,

2) Organize HERE some small experiments to perform research to find the hidden thing making O.U..
   Suggestions anybody?

" Summary from Pierre:
If you only rotates a magnetic field, you will not get much voltage (power?) because something is missing!  Rotation is only one aspect of the DZ, it's really more complicated than that.
People will be able to learn how to rotate a magnetic field but it will stop there, they won't get the result I have.  I keep the secret. I just wanted to show on YouTube what I and nobody else could do.
You'll have to discover the rest on your own. I can tell you it's not easy to achieve. "

Let's search for as Pierre says the "missing pistons" !   DZ,  D??  Z??, What? French?

Regards Arne

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #448 on: March 28, 2018, 06:08:05 PM »
Hello all,

I just spotted this thread and I was following Pierre's videos. Just I missed long discussion, wow!

So, I did read 41 pages of thread (mostly) and noticed it started going off the rails since page 30(typical as always). I would like to give a pinch for putting back to what was all about.

For Pierre - great job! I always dreamed about creating rotating magnetic field without moving magnet or coil and you just did it!.. :)
For Luc and other builders - great job on taking interest and trying to assemble setup. Now need to finish your rigs for actual testing if you still have spare time.

Here are my thoughts for breaking down whole thing into building blocks:

1) To make induction we have to alternate magnetic field. Without moving magnets or coils we only can achieve that when adding or removing power from additional electromagnets. Then have neutral point and polarity reversed when going around circle with switch on/off groups. This is also reflected in given numbers from Pierre. Which are 36 electromagnets with 6 poles. Which breaks down to 6 electromagnets per pole (5 active and 1 switched off to give space between poles as per Pierre's explanation video).
2) By activating 1st then 2,3,4,5th electromagnets we increase and decrease magnetic field strength so we can alternate resulting magnetic field in the core inside of stator. Which makes induction as the magnetic field strength changes.
3) When shifting starting coil number we simulating moving magnet poles
4) As the electromagnet is not treated like transformer primary we spend all current on plain wire resistance when each coil is activated. Which means when we put load on or off on the center core coil it does not lower electromagnet inductance any more as we relay on coil wire resistance already.
5) By collecting BEMF after each coil is switching off or getting induction from neighbour coil we recover partial energy back to the bank of super-capacitors.
6) The generated power is looped back to the input and the excessive power is taken to the load.

Now to my questions and things required to test so we can understand exactly what is going on:
1) On the BEMF/inductance recovery.  Luc and others - can you try to power on coils in the sequence I mentioned and see what amount of power is getting to recover? This defines overall COP of the system before we start talking about induction part. This is very important so we will know how much power in percentage is required to make system self running.
2) How much power you can induce after smoothing over shotky HV diode bridge and high voltage cap?
3) If COP of the system before looping back is less than 70% - do we miss any crucial steps when making magnetic field increase/decrease in 6 steps resolution? Like too long duty cycle on coils or something like that...
4) Would Pierre elaborate on my post and give some comments on his view of the whole thing?

So, any volunteers for making tests? :)

 Cheers!
T-1000


Ahhh!   I knew we were still missing one of the great minds on this thread.   Glad to see you here T-1000!   Unfortunately due to some nonsense being flung around we may need to figure out a couple things here Pierre has opted out of sharing after he saw the bad behavior.  However I think between the coil winding info and the Arduino code he shared that some of the most difficult parts have been given out here and in Gotoluc's moderated thread on this device.   I think the 'piston power' he mentions as being the missing part may be related to how power is handled between the super caps and the system. 

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #449 on: March 28, 2018, 06:43:28 PM »
e2Matrix
People are asking about all the Vids ?

Copies ??

I have none [never copy Vids]

IMO maybe Luc can ask Pierre if he is OK with that {reposting copies here if persons have them ??]

Perhaps he just removed them for a statement ??
If Pierre says OK...maybe  all the Vids could be put in the first post of the moderated thread.


I see Stefan has a Movie theater running here with Pierre's work ??
EDIT
No I stand corrected
 movies here from Stefan on Pierre's work are not on My front forum page any longer {could be at Stefan's OU.Com Movie page collection somewhere ?

Chet
PS
As was already noted many times
Pierre is NOT closing this Topic
He is seeking help with
"how to open source"
prior to continuing .

Intermission...

But there is always Talking during intermission....

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