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Does the magnetic-field exist ?
« on: February 13, 2018, 08:52:28 PM »
 

   EDIT - Some mistakes have been corrected  .

   Maybe the magnetic-field is only the electric-field ( and sometimes it's effect on 'some things',  is a result of it being combined with the atomic nucleic bonding force ) .

    In the following,   compare how static( not moving ) Electrets interact with :
    -  A Coreless-Electromagnet
    -  A  Permanent-magnet

     [  NOTE : Permanent-magnets are usually made from highly permeable metals,  whereas  Electromagnets  can often just use copper,  so maybe highly permeable metals  have a stronger nucleic,  central bonding force at the nucleus( center ) of atoms which keeps protons and neutrons together   ]


    -  Coreless-Electromagnet explanation-  a moving  electric-field,  which is, or is also, spinning around the cross-section of a DC-carrying-wire ,   inducing an  illusionary magnetic-field( which is actually just another electric-field )  in other metallic objects,     so that the electromagnet is actually picking up metal objects just by using    electric-field  attraction.
        * -  I assume static( not moving )  Electrets  'Do' interact with static  Coreless-Electromagnets,  like pushing away etc.

    -  Permanent-magnet  explanation   -  a moving  electric-field( from aligned spinning electrons ),  which is  also  'focusing'( like a vortex or something ) the central bonding force at the nucleus( center ) of atoms which keeps protons and neutrons together( and maybe even keeps the electron spinning around the nucleus,  although yes, I know about positive and negative charges ),   
         So,    that because it also includes the  'focused'  central bonding force from the nucleus( center ) of atoms,   that  focused-central-nucleic  force  cancels-out( neutralizes )  the electric-field of the permanent-magnet  ,    'in terms'  of it's ability to interact with static( not moving )  electrically-charged  objects like Electrets.
        * -  I assume static( not moving )  Electrets  'Do Not'  interact with static  Permanent-magnets,  like pushing away etc.

       Look at diagrams( on the internet ) of the electric-field  compared to the magnetic-field  around a  DC-current-carrying-wire,    the magnetic-field spins around the cross-section of the wire,  while the electric-field  radiates( statically ? ) outwards from the center of the cross-section of the wire.
       (  I actually thought that the electric-field   was supposed to be  'perpendicular'  to the  magnetic-field  in  a  DC-current-carrying-wire,   but on the diagrams that does not seem true )

        I have a link to a webpage which showed photos of the  electric-field  around a permanent-magnet( or around a coil ),   achieved by simply  freezing  the permanent-magnet( or coil )  in water,  but the photos are no longer visible on the webpage,  but I'm not sure if that supports what I'm saying.

        Importantly,   I assume that if you sweep a highly-charged-Electret past a sheet of copper at a high speed,  that it will create  electromagnetic-eddies  on the sheet of copper,   which by my explanation in this post,  are actually only  electric-field eddies ( maybe also containing some atomic central-nucleic force )
« Last Edit: February 14, 2018, 12:28:36 AM by postingsite »

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Does the magnetic-field exist ?
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Re: Does the magnetic-field exist ?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2018, 12:29:41 AM »
    Corrected some errors and changed the title .

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Re: Does the magnetic-field exist ?
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2018, 12:55:49 AM »
     As far as I know there's no way of viewing( or detecting )  Electric-fields  by using  those cheap commonly available  'Magnetic-field-viewers'  .
      ( so that doesn't help my argument ,  although I've not bothered to find out how they actually function  )

      However,   what if the "Central bonding force at the nucleus( center ) of atoms"  ,  which I said that is focused( like a vortex or something ) by the aligned spinning electrons in 'Permanent-magnets',   what if that  'atomic-nucleic-bonding-force'  is  GRAVITY,
       And because I explained that this happens more so in  'Permanent-magnets'( because of the high permeability of their material ),   then it's logical that   'Permanent-magnets'  would have the most noticeable visual interaction with other  'Permanent-magnets'  and metals.

        So,  maybe 'Permanent-magnets' interaction with other 'Permanent-magnets' and metals is what we call GRAVITY.

         Below is some of my previous post.


    -  Permanent-magnet  explanation   -  a moving  electric-field( from aligned spinning electrons ),  which is  also  'focusing'( like a vortex or something ) the central bonding force at the nucleus( center ) of atoms which keeps protons and neutrons together( and maybe even keeps the electron spinning around the nucleus,  although yes, I know about positive and negative charges ),   

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Re: Does the magnetic-field exist ?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2018, 10:38:52 PM »

        So,  maybe 'Permanent-magnets' interaction with other 'Permanent-magnets' and metals is what we call GRAVITY.


      I wonder if you precisely measured the weight( mass ) of a  Permanent-magnet  with it's North pole facing to the centre of the earth,  and then compare that with it's South pole facing to the centre of the earth,    would there be any detectable difference .
     
       * -   The problem would be -  'what about all the sideways angles of the earths gravitational-field acting on the magnet  .

      However,      in all  Permanent-magnets ,   the field always flows right back into the magnet,   from one pole to the other,   so that may neutralize the experiment.
          -  But if so,  should the Permanent-magnet then be  weightless because of that,    or,   maybe because the field flows right back into the magnet,   then the  earth's-magnetic-field  somehow treats the entire  Permanent-magnet  as a single  proton or neutron .

     (   It's interesting with those old large garage-doors that use heavy-weights( instead of springs ) so that anyone can easily open or close those often huge doors,    theoretically you could raise a skyscraper or  large-rocket by that principle,   although I'm not sure if it relates to the above   )

      What about if it was possible to build a  Monopole-Permanent-magnet( some people have claimed to have made one ),   would you get different results for the above experiment  . 
        -  Imagine a very long Bar-Permanent-magnet( Magnet B ) ,  and then onto one end of that  Bar-Permanent-magnet,   you  attach  a  strong  Permanent-magnet( Magnet B )  with it's pole facing N to N( or S to S ) in relation to the very long Bar-Permanent-magnet( Magnet A ),  to neutralize that pole,  that may get close to being a  Monopole-Permanent-magnet.
            ( keep in mind that if  Permanent-magnet( Magnet B )  is to strong, it could neutralize all of the  first  magnet ,  Permanent-magnet( Magnet B )  ,   so that there would be no magnet all.


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Re: Does the magnetic-field exist ?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2018, 04:36:14 AM »

     (   It's interesting with those old large garage-doors that use heavy-weights( instead of springs ) so that anyone can easily open or close those often huge doors,    theoretically you could raise a skyscraper or  large-rocket by that principle,   although I'm not sure if it relates to the above   )

      What about if it was possible to build a  Monopole-Permanent-magnet( some people have claimed to have made one ),   would you get different results for the above experiment  . 
        -  Imagine a very long Bar-Permanent-magnet( Magnet B ) ,  and then onto one end of that  Bar-Permanent-magnet,   you  attach  a  strong  Permanent-magnet( Magnet B )  with it's pole facing N to N( or S to S ) in relation to the very long Bar-Permanent-magnet( Magnet A ),  to neutralize that pole,  that may get close to being a  Monopole-Permanent-magnet.
            ( keep in mind that if  Permanent-magnet( Magnet B )  is to strong, it could neutralize all of the  first  magnet ,  Permanent-magnet( Magnet B )  ,   so that there would be no magnet all.

    The fact that there's an electromagnet( earths inner / outer core ) at the center if the earth, does not affect my argument.

    And below, is my diagram to try and support my theory that the Magnetic-field( from Permanent-magnets at least ) may be the  Gravitational-field .

     (  Although I can still think of arguments for why the Magnetic-field( from Permanent-magnets at least ) may be  Electric-field    )

      As you can see in the diagram,  comparing a counter-weighted-garage-door , to a  Permanent-magnet.
      The  Monople  example in the diagram is the method by which a Permanent-magnet  may be able to have some ( or more ),  or different,   effect ( interaction ) with the  Gravitational-field .

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Re: Does the magnetic-field exist ?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2018, 06:02:40 PM »
This old thread might be relevant.  http://overunity.com/2485/magnetism-without-the-magnetic-field/msg33676/#msg33676

Another approach might be to model the electric field like a fluid flow, some sort of mysteriously electrified virtue continuously oozes out of charged particles then moves away at  light speed.  When this stuff reaches another charged particle, it exerts a force on it.  Magnetic effects might just be a propagation delay effect of this electric flow.  I have not done the fancy cipherin' on this approach to see if it actually works.

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Re: Does the magnetic-field exist ?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2018, 11:11:04 PM »
  That other thread is very advanced .

   Just noting,  that my example of a garage-door  which is counter-weighted with a weight weighing exactly the same as the garage-door,  so that raising and lowering the door is equally easy,  and the little force required would almost only depend on friction ,   theoretically you could spend all day raising and lowering a 50-story building with no effort at all .
     I wonder how  physics explains that one,  other than simply  counter-weight .

   Below is a diagram I made of designs for making a  Monopole( or close to ) 
   

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Re: Does the magnetic-field exist ?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2018, 11:52:31 PM »
Just as I sent my previous post 1/2 an hour a ago,  I was reminded that SMOTS successfully eject the ball

   So I wonder if that would be a perfect design for a  Monopole
     - a cross,  hybrid ,   between a  donut-shaped-magnet,  and a  cone-shaped-magnet,   with the usual hollow-shaft that runs through the center of donut-shaped-magnets

    The diagram below is only a side-view( so the visible central-hollow-shaft is just a see-through effect in that diagram  )

     (  the exact proportions / ratios  would actually have to be altered in this design,  until a monopole effect is achieved  )

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2018, 11:17:12 PM »
Just to clarify,  that my  Monopole-Permanent-Magnet   designs,    may,   or may not be the same thing as the standard definition of a  magnetic-monopole ,    since,   I sometimes think of the standard definition of a magnetic-monopole to be like a  sphere ( like a proton ) radiating out a single field out in ALL directions,  like a proton

    Below,  is a diagram of my version of the magnetic-field of my versions of Monopole-Permanent-Magnets
    (  NOTE - In the diagram, my designs for Monopole-Permanent-Magnets do not appear,  to make it easier to see the  monopole fields,  I just show a normal  'Non-Monopole' Permanent-Magnet

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Re: Does the magnetic-field exist ?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2018, 01:29:02 AM »
  I have three separate theories about what the   magnetic-field  may actually be :
 
    - the electric-field
       or
    - gravity
       or
    - scalar-waves

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   My theory that  the  magnetic-field  may be  scalar-waves,  is based on my theory that  scalar-waves  occur,  EITHER,   
     - when  2  electric-fields  collide against each other,   
     OR, 
     - when  2  electric-fields  pull against each other.

     However,   I got the idea when I read that  scalar-waves  can be generated by  crashing 2 opposing electrical-currents into each other in a single conducting-wire,  I read it on the following  website,  but can no longer find the page(  it's possible I don't remember correctly, and it may not have been on that website ) ,
              www.cheniere.org

    My theory on how scalar-waves can be generated may be different to what I read,  since my theory is based on colliding or pulling  electric-fields,  rather than actual  electric-current  in a wire.
   
    My theory is :

      For  Coreless-Electromagnets :
      - When 2 electric-fields  collide against each other,  they send  Pushing-Scalar-Waves( like direct-lines ) straight back into the 2 electrical wires,  which is commonly called  magnetic-repelling.
          ( in some circumstances this can generate additional electrical-current in the wires  )

      - When 2 electric-fields  pull  against each other,  they send  Pulling-Scalar-Waves( like direct-lines ) against the 2 electrical wires,  which is commonly called  magnetic-attraction

      For  Permanent-Magnets :
      - My theory for Coreless-Electromagnets also applies to  the electric-fields  from the spinning electrons in  Permanent-magnets  .

         My theory could also apply to very long distance AC current transmission,  since a possible  collision of currents resulting in scalar-waves could possibly generate surplus current,  explaining why AC is often preferred for long distance current transmission .
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« Reply #10 on: Today at 03:06:57 AM »
   So obviously the aim of my designs is to produce some type of magnetic beam / ray,   just by using  'Permanent-Magnets',   by  not allowing the 2 poles of the permanent-magnet to connect with each other,  as illustrated on my diagram in my post :
  http://overunity.com/17606/does-the-magnetic-field-exist/msg516741/#msg516741


    yes, that is already achieved( I think ? ) when you make a long magnet by allowing numerous smaller magnets to join together,  however,  the 2 poles of that final magnet still connect with each other.

   If this was achieved( seems very difficult like everything on these overunity sites ), I can not actually work out what the effect would be

   In my diagram below, I try and  prevent the poles on  'Magnet-A'  from connecting with each other by using the side magnets(  'Magnet-B', and  'Magnet-C' ),  though obviously in 3d you'd need a minimum of 4 blocking / side-magnets.
     Notice,  in the diagram,  'Magnet-A'  is only 1-cm long,  while the   blocking / side-magnets(  'Magnet-B', and  'Magnet-C' )  are 1-meter long  ,      the question being,     is there a length( ratios etc ) for the  blocking / side-magnets(  'Magnet-B', and  'Magnet-C' ) ,    that could prevent the poles on  'magnet-A'  from connecting with each other  .

    A simpler( and maybe more effective ) version is the other design in the diagram below,   where 'Magnet-W' is inside the  hollow shaft of  'Cylinder-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X'.   

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« Reply #11 on: Today at 04:57:53 AM »
 
   Updated This Post :

   I just thought of one possible solution to my post 2 hours ago.

   Below is my diagram again,  so just seal of one end of 'Cylinder-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X'   

   The only problem with this solution is that it blocks the type of energy flow( from the external environment ? ) effect through the magnet that I was hoping for

 

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