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Author Topic: The real Tesla free energy machine  (Read 2096 times)

Offline Sergh

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2018, 10:27:55 PM »
It's sad if the rules of this forum require everyone to approve and agree. So it was before in the Soviet Union. Everyone had to approve of any actions of the Communist Party. But if you go this way, you can not go anywhere.

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
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Offline ramset

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2018, 10:38:44 PM »
It seems more an entitlement issue [on your part]

Cadman is building [or wants to]
and you feel the need to stop him...and others too ..on other threads here.

if he was building a house and you walked in like this??


will you be telling us its bed time soon ??

its actually a respect issue
please respect the threads here or ??

start your own and see how that goes

You have been asked to refrain from off topic comments which add no value.

build your own house/thread and invite everyone...

Cadmans PDF again



https://books.google.com/books/about/Compressed_Air_Magazine.html?id=HjY0AQAAMAAJ
« Last Edit: February 15, 2018, 03:27:17 AM by ramset »

Offline Sergh

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2018, 07:10:32 AM »
Cadman can build what he wants.

But before building it, it is desirable for him to read not only one article of 1902, but to study modern information in this field of science and technology.

The current state is:
- there are many modern similar devices. They produce a liquid from the gas.
They are developed by professional scientists and engineers, they are made at high-tech factories by skilled workers.
Some of them have efficiency >> 1. For example,  air conditioners Zubadan from Mitsubishi have heating COP = 3.52 and more.

http://www.mitsubishielectric.com.au/2167.htm

http://www.mitsubishielectric.com/company/rd/advance/pdf/vol130/vol130_tr5.pdf

- but even with such a high efficiency, it is impossible to make a self-rotating device from such an air conditioner. An external source of energy is always needed. The reason for this is the Carnot cycle

Offline blueplanet

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2018, 09:13:57 AM »
Very interesting idea.
Work can be done as long as there is a temperature difference.
We don't need fuel to acheive this temperature difference.

Offline blueplanet

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2018, 09:19:46 AM »
If the efficiencies of these products are truly higher than 1, they should be able to generate sustained movement. If they cannot, then their efficiencies are most likely lower than 1.


Cadman can build what he wants.

But before building it, it is desirable for him to read not only one article of 1902, but to study modern information in this field of science and technology.

The current state is:
- there are many modern similar devices. They produce a liquid from the gas.
They are developed by professional scientists and engineers, they are made at high-tech factories by skilled workers.
Some of them have efficiency >> 1. For example,  air conditioners Zubadan from Mitsubishi have heating COP = 3.52 and more.

http://www.mitsubishielectric.com.au/2167.htm

http://www.mitsubishielectric.com/company/rd/advance/pdf/vol130/vol130_tr5.pdf

- but even with such a high efficiency, it is impossible to make a self-rotating device from such an air conditioner. An external source of energy is always needed. The reason for this is the Carnot cycle

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2018, 09:19:46 AM »
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Offline Cadman

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2018, 02:35:02 AM »
Well, I tried.

Have you ever thought you could judge the validity or worth of a topic on this forum by the rapidity the first troll appears?

Less than one hour for this thread.

Sergh doesn’t even know what my idea consists of. Page 2 the subject has already disappeared.

Sad isn’t it.

Offline citfta

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 03:04:29 AM »
Please continue Cadman.  There are some of us that are interested in what you are proposing.  Tesla was no fool.  If he thought the idea had some merit then it is certainly worth looking into.

Ignore the trolls.  I have many times been accused of being a naysayer myself because I like to ask technical questions or suggest that an idea might not prove out in the real world.  But we have many trolls on this forum that are so rude they will just attack without even giving an idea a chance.  Mostly they just demonstrate their ignorance.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 03:04:29 AM »
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Offline MagnaProp

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2018, 07:54:43 AM »
If temperature differences are involved, do you think that Nitinol would be beneficial in the oscillators construction to help it continue running? Could Nikola Tesla have invented his own Nitinol but not disclosed it?

Offline Grumage

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2018, 04:23:03 PM »
Dear Cadman.

It’s nought but a minor distraction, take a deep breath and please carry on!

Nobody mentioned OU did they?

A super cool fluid attached to ambient will create a temperature differential, something that a Sterling cycle engine could employ.

Looking forward to reading more.

Cheers Graham.

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2018, 05:57:41 PM »
Indeed !!

even getting to experiment in Phase changes would be wonderful Too

Cadman ,
can you reference any page numbers in this magazine you linked to


https://books.google.com/books/about/Compressed_Air_Magazine.html?id=HjY0AQAAMAAJ

it is still very hard for me to read ATM [ongoing Eye Surgeries]
and scrolling and reading is ruff.

much appreciated




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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2018, 05:57:41 PM »
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Offline Grumage

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2018, 06:03:32 PM »
Hi Chet.

You've done better than I.... can't even open the B thing!!  ;D

Cheers Graham.

Offline ramset

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2018, 06:08:35 PM »
I had help........[I'm all thumbs...

I'll touch base before "closing time" in the UK
once you go to the page
the little gear thing in the top right side / corner [I forget what it stands for]

click on that and it gives you choices ,and then you have to send the file to a saving place on your computer .[thanks to Tinsel for the help]

I'll show you later on Skype if it doesn't work for you

its a neet Magazine..

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2018, 06:09:24 PM »
Hi Mr Cadman, hello any chance of you discussing your invention on here I'm sure we are all interested on
your shared Tesla device.

PS on a general theme if any one is going to use abbreviations any chance they could display it in brackets once please, many thanks.

Allen.

Offline Cadman

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2018, 06:25:38 PM »
Chet,

It's page 2229. That's the page number on the document, it's about page 530 in the pdf.

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OK, breath taken. All is calm now so let's continue.

Earlier I referred to the Compressed Air article as background information to any who are unfamiliar with how J. F. Place produced liquid air by expanding pressurized air while the air performed work.

As an aside, even though the term 'liquid air' is used here, the term applies equally well to liquid nitrogen or other mediums.

To explain the working premise of my invention let's start with water and speak in somewhat general terms. 100 C is the boiling point of water at atmospheric pressure, the temperature where water becomes a gas (steam). Water at one atmosphere can not reach a temperature of 101 C because at that temperature it is no longer water, it is steam. At less than 100 C it is water.

Likewise, liquid air will transition between a gas and a liquid with a temperature variation of a few degrees above or below it's liquefaction temperature. With this small temperature change the volume will vary greatly.

It takes considerable energy to lower the temperature of the air hundreds of degrees in order to liquify it in large quantity and that energy has to be spent up front. No way around it. Fortunately, liquified gas is available for purchase in industrial quantities. What I have devised is a system to maintain that low temperature within a narrow range while still obtaining substantial work. Work performed both directly and indirectly. Directly by allowing a small portion of the liquid air to revert to a gas by absorbing a few degrees of heat just prior to entering the oscillator and using that gas in the expansion cylinder to maintain the motion of the pistons. Remember the Tesla oscillator functions as a pendulum so the work needed is just enough to prevent the decay of it's oscillations. The expansion of the gas while working the piston will lower it's temperature more than enough to return it to a liquid. Thus the oscillator can use heat from the environment to maintain it's motion.

Other energy in the oscillator is the inertia of the reciprocating mass of the piston assembly and the air compressed by the action of the spring piston. This compression creates “considerable heat” as described in the oscillator patent. This will be used as the heat source of a separate Stirling engine or other type of heat engine.

A small portion of the liquid air will be lost over time due to imperfect insulation and containment. By making every effort to provide insulation as perfect as possible the loss can be kept small and should be able to be replaced with a small expenditure of the developed power by methods already known.

That's the bulk of it. All that remain are the mechanical details.

Cadman

Offline Grumage

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Re: The real Tesla free energy machine
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2018, 09:53:47 PM »
Hello All.

Well thanks to Chet I have a copy. It wasn't available to download here in the UK.

I can now study.

Cheers Graham.

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