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Offline Dog-One

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #165 on: December 30, 2017, 10:33:48 PM »
Jack Noskills concept embedded in a rotational device.  Love it Erfinder!

I had a feeling when you smoked that last mo/gen you had, the next one would be even better.   :)



Induced and applied folks.  It's hard to get one's head wrapped around that, but you have to keep trying until you get it.  I can also testify it's real easy to slip backwards and catch a strong dose of "analysis paralysis".  You got to feel it in the gut, demonstrate it's real and never look back.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #165 on: December 30, 2017, 10:33:48 PM »

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #166 on: December 30, 2017, 10:35:47 PM »
Quote from: EF
As Tk pointed out...the demonstration was of a noisy device capable of producing high current and a little HV...(don't know how the majority feel about it, but high current and a little HV....sign me up...)  (haven't seen anyone else do it yet, including TK, and don't think I'll be seeing anyone, TK included, doing it any time soon...)

Well, that just shows you haven't been paying attention. Not only can I do it (and have demonstrated it in my videos) but I can do it _wirelessly_.

And in addition, I explain and demonstrate exactly how I do it so that _anyone_ with the interest and skill can repeat for themselves what I demonstrate. That's what OPEN SOURCE is all about.

I'm not especially interested in one-upmanship. What I AM interested in is that people support their claims with rigorous testing, accurate data, and on this OPEN SOURCE forum, sharing enough details so that the work can be replicated and examined honestly.

If you don't want to talk about what you are doing... fine, then DON'T.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #167 on: December 30, 2017, 10:48:16 PM »
Jack Noskills concept embedded in a rotational device.  Love it Erfinder!


This is Tesla....Jack's work relates but isn't quite the same....the similarities merit an honorable mention.  This is and always will be about Tesla as far as I am concerned...

I had a feeling when you smoked that last mo/gen you had, the next one would be even better.   :)


yes sir...  had to work out a few kinks... the new and improved is a fucking beast, the video does it no justice....  everything runs just above ambient, and this irrespective of the level of activity...

Induced and applied folks.  It's hard to get one's head wrapped around that, but you have to keep trying until you get it.  I can also testify it's real easy to slip backwards and catch a strong dose of "analysis paralysis".  You got to feel it in the gut, demonstrate it's real and never look back.


the future is reactive...  place your bets.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #168 on: December 30, 2017, 10:56:53 PM »
Well, that just shows you haven't been paying attention. Not only can I do it (and have demonstrated it in my videos) but I can do it _wirelessly_.


no you haven't, and no you can't.  What you showed isn't the same thing, we aren't even on the same damn planet.....  you are good, but you don't have this...

And in addition, I explain and demonstrate exactly how I do it so that _anyone_ with the interest and skill can repeat for themselves what I demonstrate. That's what OPEN SOURCE is all about.


good on you.....

I'm not especially interested in one-upmanship. What I AM interested in is that people support their claims with rigorous testing, accurate data, and on this OPEN SOURCE forum, sharing enough details so that the work can be replicated and examined honestly.


then its swell that you are surrounded by like minded....  I have no interest in your interests.

If you don't want to talk about what you are doing... fine, then DON'T.


I am talking, thing is, I am not here to march to the beat of your drum....  feel free to add me to your ignore list....

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #169 on: December 30, 2017, 11:39:01 PM »
Sm0ky2 and TK,

The most significant thing in the video is not the generator output.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #169 on: December 30, 2017, 11:39:01 PM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #170 on: December 31, 2017, 12:30:54 AM »
Sm0ky2 and TK,

The most significant thing in the video is not the generator output.


I guess that is to be interpreted.
We dont know what’s in the box


The most significant thing to me was the spark and the glow of the metal.
That gives me a pretty good idea of the voltage and current
without measurement


As far as the things he is hinting at, hes no Robert Ripley.






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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #171 on: December 31, 2017, 03:27:48 AM »
On the topic of OU...

A long time ago I came at this OU thing all backwards, trying to figure out how generators cut magnetic fields lines to “make” electricity. Of course that goes nowhere new by itself. So I started reading some physics and came across the explanations for charge, which led to electrostatics. We know that charge cannot be created or destroyed. So, does a generator generate by cutting lines of magnetic force or is there more to it?

Generators run for years, is all that electricity they put out contained in the copper and steel they are made of? Seems highly unlikely to me. I have never believed that the work used to turn the generator was the source of the electricity.. what, if I turn it by hand the energy I expend with my muscles is magically transformed into charge? No. If charge cannot be created then it must come from outside the generator. Electrostatic machines demonstrate that. To me, charge by influence is the most interesting of all.

Wouldn't it be great if we could just create a big charge sink and siphon off the charges flowing toward it?

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #171 on: December 31, 2017, 03:27:48 AM »
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Offline blueplanet

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #172 on: December 31, 2017, 07:25:45 AM »
From what is shown in the video, there is no suggestion there was any OU effect.

While the welding rods were sparking, the generator noise was going down. This suggests the spark has consumed quite a significant amount of energy from the generator.

There was certainly a current in the spark. We cannot assume that the current in the spark was zero. If the current in the spark was high, the circuit would heat up everything around and you would never get OU.


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #173 on: January 02, 2018, 03:17:44 PM »
From what is shown in the video, there is no suggestion there was any OU effect.

While the welding rods were sparking, the generator noise was going down. This suggests the spark has consumed quite a significant amount of energy from the generator.

There was certainly a current in the spark. We cannot assume that the current in the spark was zero. If the current in the spark was high, the circuit would heat up everything around and you would never get OU.


I find a more accurate description to be that the current through the output comes from induction.
And that the perpendicularly oriented magnetic field induced an opposing force on the generator.
It is the second part that actually “consumes” the power of the generator.


if you negate friction, the same occurs in a solid-state format through a transformer.


Electrostatic induction occurs without the perpendicular magnetic fields.


for the same reasons we raise the voltage of long-distance power lines.
magnetic field falls off with a drop in current.
but by raising the voltage, power levels remain the same.
We lose less by transforming it back down at the point of distribution.


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #174 on: January 02, 2018, 03:22:14 PM »
What I find to be interesting is by manipulating an electrostatic device
By choosing lightweight insulators
We quickly find ‘problems’ with the power equations.
especially when these machines are powered for long times using low-power
dc motors.


We know exactly the power consumed by the motor.
But attempts to calculate the power induced into the HV capacitors
do not conform to current theory.


The problem lies in the induced charge. Using capacitor duality,
we have a doubling of potential. Where does this come from?
the ambient?
0-point?
Or can it be related back into induction process?
If the latter is the case, then Maxwell was half-wrong,
or missing half of the information.


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Offline Erfinder

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #175 on: January 02, 2018, 03:55:06 PM »

I find a more accurate description to be that the current through the output comes from induction.
And that the perpendicularly oriented magnetic field induced an opposing force on the generator.
It is the second part that actually “consumes” the power of the generator.

the name of my video is "frequency and amplitude modulated magneto-dielectric induction".....  thought went into both the title and demonstration.... consider both carefully....


if you negate friction, the same occurs in a solid-state format through a transformer.


this isn't about solid state..... 


Electrostatic induction occurs without the perpendicular magnetic fields.


for the same reasons we raise the voltage of long-distance power lines.
magnetic field falls off with a drop in current.
but by raising the voltage, power levels remain the same.
We lose less by transforming it back down at the point of distribution.


your head is in the right place.....

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #176 on: January 05, 2018, 04:26:41 AM »
Take a disk magnet, diametrically magnetized
and place it on the shaft of a dc motor slightly smaller than the magnet.


aligned with the coils


when you drive the coil, the energy gets recycled by the greater combined field.
A short pulse can result in extremely long run times (few hundred microseconds=2 mins)
as it slowly winds down
Nothing useful will be drawn from it during wind down
But the demonstration shows that the energy that ran first through it
can be converted into flux and back to current through the motor again and again
until the losses consume it.






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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #177 on: January 05, 2018, 07:58:09 AM »
Take a disk magnet, diametrically magnetized
and place it on the shaft of a dc motor slightly smaller than the magnet.


aligned with the coils


when you drive the coil, the energy gets recycled by the greater combined field.
A short pulse can result in extremely long run times (few hundred microseconds=2 mins)
as it slowly winds down
Nothing useful will be drawn from it during wind down
But the demonstration shows that the energy that ran first through it
can be converted into flux and back to current through the motor again and again
until the losses consume it.


This is important - show us video ! Actually generators run on positive feedback, not by converting mechanical energy

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #178 on: January 05, 2018, 12:14:51 PM »

This is important - show us video ! Actually generators run on positive feedback, not by converting mechanical energy


when you operate a dc motor with electricity it make a distinctive hum or buzz


When you mechanically turn a dc motor to generate, it incurs a particular pulsing
You can ‘feel’ when the coil pass the magnets as you turn the shaft


When the larger field is rotating from momentum, both of these occur simultaneously
with the wires ‘open’ circuit, you have flux, without current.

First time I discovered this was using a 5&1/4” floppy drive magnet
took a few yrs to realize that it was Not the complex field of these magnets
But actually Any rotating magnet, oriented properly to the coils will do this


The field just has to be larger than that created by the internal magnets

The two fields combine to form a combined field, with the coil induction
forming a feedback flux between them. It becomes like a spring

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #179 on: January 05, 2018, 06:25:59 PM »

with the wires ‘open’ circuit, you have flux, without current.



my research indicates that you do have current with conventional open circuits, its value is infinitesimal, we need only figure out how to make it useful.


in my open circuit systems, I have both flux and current..... 

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