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Author Topic: The secret to Overunity  (Read 18958 times)

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2017, 01:00:45 AM »
Hi Tajerek. It has already been pointed out to you that you are making major mistakes in
your assumptions and interpretations. The total charge on a capacitor at a given point in time
is equal to C x V, yes, but that in no way means or implies that to build up that charge on
the capacitor that no current has to flow. :) You are showing that you have no understanding
of what the formulas represent.


There is no possible way that you have tested this, because if you did do some actual testing
you would quickly realize that what you have been saying here is false. :) To charge a capacitor
requires a flow of current (flow of charges). The formula which you yourself have posted for the capacitor
charge current clearly shows that the higher the applied voltage, the higher the capacitor charging current will be.

For you to keep saying that when you apply a high voltage to the capacitor there will be little or no capacitor
charge current is not only obviously completely at odds with the formula which you posted, but it shows that
you have not even the most basic understanding of simple electric circuits and how capacitors work. If you did,
you would not be making such obvious errors.

I won't waste further time on this, as anyone with even just a very basic understanding of capacitors will be
able to see that what you are saying makes no sense.

All the best...


B.S.


To charge a capacitor you need only to apply Voltage to
One plate. (Or layer)


Potential.


Understand “what” a capacitor is.


Any two conductors are a capacitor. Even when one of those is only the air.


The device we label a capacitor, is an advanced form capable of holding
separated charges very well.
But by the technical definition, my metal desk is a capacitor.


(and I can discharge it through an inductor to prove this)


A hunk of metal, is a capacitor.


Two hunks of metal, separated by an insulator, is an even better capacitor.


(air can also act as the insulator if a more conductive plate is substituted)
(two air-conductors can act as plates, if a more insulative substance is substituted)


The ability to hold a charge is the ONLY real requirement.


A single electron, and single positron, can form a capacitor.
and comes pre-charged
(this will disintegrate upon discharge, so is ‘temporary)


Rub your socked feet across the carpet, YOU are a capacitor.
Have a girl in glass slippers rub her feet across the same carpet
Now the both of you make an even Better capacitor.
Form a circuit between you to discharge it.
(sometimes experience is the best teacher)


Charge only wants to distribute uniformly across a conductor.


Yes, you can translate this motion of charge distribution into “current”
using various formulas, but the time-factor makes this an infinitesimal value.


——————————————-


if you charge Both plates of a capacitor, you are essentially forcing current into it.
And in this manner, yes there is a measurable current.
It is synonymous to the Carnot cycle.
You are wasting 50% of your charge.


Allow the second plate to charge inductively, requires only half of the potential.
And you can measure this if you refrain from grounding half of your charge.


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2017, 01:00:45 AM »

Offline Void

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2017, 01:32:40 AM »
To charge a capacitor you need only to apply Voltage to
One plate. (Or layer)

Good grief. Is it a full moon? ;)

Whether you a putting a 'charge' on a single piece of metal or on a two plate capacitor,
you must either remove charge or push more charge onto the metal. The movement of charge
is current.  At any rate, Tajerek was obviously not talking about putting a charge on a single piece of metal.
His diagram shows charging a two plate capacitor, and my comments were in response to what
Tajerek has been (falsely) saying here.


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2017, 01:53:58 AM »

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Hi peper10, the problem is not at all that you were sharing some ideas, but the problem is that you are making claims and getting upset because people were asking for some clarification and that sort of thing, and insisting that you know much more than people here even though it seems you haven't even put these things to the actual test.


You see VOID!   Instead of finding trouble with everyone theory, why don`t you try to experiment and come back with SOLID proof that he is wrong????  That`s what I find funny with this forum...   COUNTER CLAIMS are not validated but we are supposed to go with it..    That is a crazy world...[/li]
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Offline Void

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2017, 02:10:23 AM »
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You see VOID!   Instead of finding trouble with everyone theory, why don`t you try to experiment and come back with SOLID proof that he is wrong????  That`s what I find funny with this forum...   COUNTER CLAIMS are not validated but we are supposed to go with it..    That is a crazy world...[/li]
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 :o
Good grief again... ;D

I know it probably won't do any good to point out to you that I am not the one
claiming to know the 'secret' to getting OU. ;) Pointing out that someone is making
obviously false statements does not need to be proven, because this should already be
obvious when looking at the formula for capacitor charge current which Tajerek posted.
That is very basic stuff.

The last full moon was apparently Dec 3, so that is not it... ;D


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2017, 03:39:32 AM »

:o
Good grief again... ;D

I know it probably won't do any good to point out to you that I am not the one
claiming to know the 'secret' to getting OU. ;) Pointing out that someone is making
obviously false statements does not need to be proven, because this should already be
obvious when looking at the formula for capacitor charge current which Tajerek posted.
That is very basic stuff.


The last full moon was apparently Dec 3, so that is not it... ;D





I just repeat what you have said to me{ Claim without testing is waisting time}...  If it`s good for you to tell any person that same phrase, it`s good resonning to serve you the same treatment...  [/color][/font][/size] 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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On other note, I see perfectly where Tajarek is heading and I`m sure he will get good results...[/color][/font][/size]

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2017, 03:39:32 AM »
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Offline Void

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #80 on: December 22, 2017, 04:28:48 AM »
I just repeat what you have said to me{ Claim without testing is waisting time}...  If it`s good for you to tell any person that same phrase, it`s good resonning to serve you the same treatment...   8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

On other note, I see perfectly where Tajarek is heading and I`m sure he will get good results...

Hi peper10.  As I have pointed out, what is being discussed is not anything
complicated or mysterious in any way. It is very, very basic stuff. To anyone with
even just a very basic understanding of electric circuits and capacitors and that sort of
thing, it will be completely obvious that what Tajerek has been saying is false. That being the case,
how do you think it looks for you to jump into this thread and support what Tajerek is saying? ;)

The question is peper, are you deliberately trying to mislead people with this nonsense of yours,
or are you truly unable to understand anything that has been said here? Same question goes to Tajerek...

What Tajerek has said here is pretty much equivalent to someone saying 2 + 2 = 7.5, 
and then saying just look at the 'theorems' for addition to see it is true, when in reality it is
plainly false, and can be very easily proven to be false as well by just simply trying it.
Take two marbles and add two more marbles to it and you will have four marbles. ;D
Tajerek's whole 'premise' is really that absurd, and equally obviously false.

Peper, please stop with the mindless trolling. Just because you have no understanding of
what is being said and do not care what is actually true or not true, it doesn't mean that
other people do not understand what is being said here. I do not like to see people being mislead.
However, I am running a series of experiments and I don't really have time to answer completely
silly comments like this.


Offline peper10

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2017, 05:15:18 AM »

Hi peper10.  As I have pointed out, what is being discussed is not anything
complicated or mysterious in any way. It is very, very basic stuff. To anyone with
even just a very basic understanding of electric circuits and capacitors and that sort of
thing, it will be completely obvious that what Tajerek has been saying is false. That being the case,
how do you think it looks for you to jump into this thread and support what Tajerek is saying? ;)

The question is peper, are you deliberately trying to mislead people with this nonsense of yours,
or are you truly unable to understand anything that has been said here? Same question goes to Tajerek...

What Tajerek has said here is pretty much equivalent to someone saying 2 + 2 = 7.5, 
and then saying just look at the 'theorems' for addition to see it is true, when in reality it is
plainly false, and can be very easily proven to be false as well by just simply trying it.
Take two marbles and add two more marbles to it and you will have four marbles. ;D
Tajerek's whole 'premise' is really that absurd, and equally obviously false.

Peper, please stop with the mindless trolling. Just because you have no understanding of
what is being said and do not care what is actually true or not true, it doesn't mean that
other people do not understand what is being said here. I do not like to see people being mislead.
However, I am running a series of experiments and I don't really have time to answer completely
silly comments like this.


 You live in your INFLATED BUBBLE my friend :o :o   I dont see any experiment or validation to your ANTI-THEORY but MARBLES COMPARASION...  God grief!!!  And you are claiming you have tons of  experience with the subject?????  That look more silly than anything....   I served you the EXACT claim you are presenting with others when you are not satisfied with what they say....
Put aside your bedside lecture for a minute and look more into Tajarek explanation...    ENERGY is the sum of two things, but, one value can be more that the other with the same end results...   If I have a 1 000 000 volt capacitor with 20pf capacity, will it have the same power of a 400 volt 400mf?????? Get over it and present something with more CONSISTANCE PLEASE...


Have a wonderful day ;D ;D

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2017, 05:15:18 AM »
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Offline Void

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #82 on: December 22, 2017, 05:27:50 AM »
 :o

There is little hope for this world...

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #83 on: December 22, 2017, 05:31:25 AM »

:o

There is little hope for this world...


And you might be the cause... ;D

Offline blueplanet

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #84 on: December 22, 2017, 08:57:55 AM »
For those who want to claim overunity on something, I suggest they first prove by experiment that their system can perpetually run or self-run.


Proving that the output is greater than the input is not enough. Measurement errors always exist.


We have already seen many discussion threads on overunity spark gaps, overunity capacitors, overunity inductors, OU resistors, 100kW systems, 5MW systems, etc, etc.


I am not ruling out the possibility that self-running systems exist.

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« Reply #84 on: December 22, 2017, 08:57:55 AM »
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Online ramset

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #85 on: December 22, 2017, 12:15:20 PM »
Lots of Zeal here

is there a suggested experiment to support a claim?
seems quite simple ??
apologies if it has been mentioned

respectfully
Chet K






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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #86 on: December 22, 2017, 12:28:43 PM »
I am waiting for some high Farad caps to test these claims. Also I need some balls to start playing with high voltage, that I have not done before. Bare feet on concrete like Geo does?

I am sure there are people with suitable gear already, but I don't blame then if they do not want to waste time on this. My intuition tells me that OU is simple and beautiful. If somebody tells me putting a banana near a magnet gives OU I will try it out. Somehow the Egyptians moved stones that we cannot still move today, so they had something we don't. They might have had a totally different approach to electricity and maybe even gravity, but then the hordes came with their "one god" and burned all libraries to the ground. I think we lost thousands of years of progress and scientific knowledge.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #87 on: December 22, 2017, 12:52:55 PM »
well
maybe we could do two things at once

been wanting to talk to Smokey about this anyway, and I know plenty are interested here and elsewhere.

Graphene

the beauty of this
we can make our own supercaps ,on the kitchen table...and now it seems we can make our own batteries too [in the kitchen or anywhere] ?
on a par with Lithium and with NONE of the environmental or gov't regulation issues.

Robert Murray Smith has done some really nice work in this area

and there are other things which may be good to look at with Graphene

Maybe Mags can start a thread in the moderated section since one of the things to do with graphene involves resonance and ambient harvesting it is an unproven Claim [fuzzy bench lore aside]

seems the Vendors [Graphene suppliers] have caught up with what we need to play here

Graphene ...a fellow use to need an electron scope to play or experiment
Now they [Vendors] can get us one layer oriented samples to play with

that is very important to see results ...ambient harvesting results ...or so I've been told

we have the talent ,we have the materials....

and most of all...the desire to make this world all that it "should" be.


respectfully
Chet K

PS
the good news
Open source of course...





but we would have to do this in a moderated thread ,or section here.



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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #88 on: December 22, 2017, 01:02:56 PM »
well
maybe we could do two things at once

been wanting to talk to Smokey about this anyway, and I know plenty are interested here and elsewhere.

Graphene

the beauty of this
we can make our own supercaps ,on the kitchen table...and now it seems we can make our own batteries too [in the kitchen or anywhere] ?
on a par with Lithium and with NONE of the environmental or gov't regulation issues.

Robert Murray Smith has done some really nice work in this area

and there are other things which may be good to look at with Graphene

Maybe Mags can start a thread in the moderated section since one of the things to do with graphene involves resonance and ambient harvesting it is an unproven Claim [fuzzy bench lore aside]

seems the Vendors [Graphene suppliers] have caught up with what we need to play here

Graphene ...a fellow use to need an electron scope to play or experiment
Now they [Vendors] can get us one layer oriented samples to play with

that is very important to see results ...ambient harvesting results ...or so I've been told

we have the talent ,we have the materials....

and most of all...the desire to make this world all that it "should" be.


respectfully
Chet K

PS
the good news
Open source of course...





but we would have to do this in a moderated thread ,or section here.

I follow Robert on Youtube. He is trying to make a 3 million Farad cap to power a home :)

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #89 on: December 22, 2017, 01:22:39 PM »
yes
and he will [or you will  8)

if we keep the discussions respectful and neat ,we could probably get RMS to contribute here

sans the moderated thread comment

what a wonderful time to be alive on planet earth ....lets try to keep it that way.

respectfully

Chet K
Ps
for clarity
the ambient harvesting part of this ,has nothing to do with RMS's work.

Hmm
well I see we are in aq moderated section
but not a formal build thread ...Yet

here is some info from T1000 ,which is probably good to grasp [generic info not specific to any claim]
https://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wposion.html

also will be looking at another Ambient claim but I must ask the claimants permission first
even tho it has never been replicated by anyone I associate with.
its just a respect thing.
and I will ask him if he wishes to contribute here too ? [in a moderated Build thread]

and advancements in the Graphene vendor supply chain are making it possible to experiment there.

for clarity we never could experiment with certainty in these microscopic nano tech areas
now it seems the vendors have caught up

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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