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Author Topic: The secret to Overunity  (Read 28213 times)

Offline Belfior

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2017, 03:11:54 PM »
I think the spark gap handles that part for us

Nice! So we can shut this forum down and start manufacturing. Going to create an anti-gravity forum next, so we can start exploring our solarsystem

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Offline peper10

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2017, 03:52:10 PM »

Let’s take it a step further and examine the situation when we have
1-2Mv potential
Even at microAmperes,
What is the power level of a discharge?


Is this ‘static’?


Not to mention, at those voltages, energy density is so great
that we begin to affect physical matter itself.
This bridges the gap between electric theory and atomic physics.
All of our equations change at these voltages.




So!!  Is this mean Tajarek was right in the first statement he did???  It seems like he did...

Offline Cadman

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2017, 04:47:50 PM »
Perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Tajerek's ideas.

For a while now I have been thinking it may be a mistake to begin the cap charging process with either electromagnetic or electrochemical sources. Electrostatic seems like the logical place to begin, collecting the initial charge from the earth and air to charge capacitors with high voltage potential.
The amount of charge converted to electromagnetic would be a matter of system scale.

This line of thinking was reinforced when I read an interview of Tesla published after the destruction of Wardenclyffe. In the interview Tesla stated that the interior of the spherical dome of Wardenclyffe was to be charged to 50,000V by an influence machine.


Offline kEhYo77

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2017, 05:44:02 PM »
Regauging while not depleting the source... hmm

Would this work?

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2017, 09:47:45 PM »
Regauging while not depleting the source... hmm

Would this work?
yes this would work with exception that you need HV DC not AC. AC would work but there's loss in energy.
Some more calculations have to fall in place though for optimum results.
for instance the wire gauge used in the L2 inductor should be able to carry the current. The winding ratio also of the coupled inductor. And the rate of discharge across the spark gap to match as much as possible the tank circuit formed by C1 and L1 to guarantee the full energy is dumped from the cap to the inductor core. The choice of the diode also should not strangle the output current.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Offline kEhYo77

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2017, 09:56:36 PM »
Well, it is not the same, mine is more like Tesla's Hairpin circuit.
I am not using any power from the source, only potential difference of the electric field to seperate the charges between two inner capacitor plates... :)

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2017, 10:18:58 PM »

yes this would work, that is the same design I shared in my article. Some more calculations have to fall in place though for optimum results.
for instance the wire gauge used in the L2 inductor should be able to carry the current. The winding ratio also of the coupled inductor. And the rate of discharge across the spark gap to match as much as possible the tank circuit formed by C1 and L1 to guarantee the full energy is dumped from the cap to the inductor core. The choice of the diode also should not strangle the output current.


Excuse to suggest an arrangement I have seen correcting the Don Smith schematics..  That`s what I suggest to maximize the potential...  Like your schematic suggest, the spark gap and the capacitive plates need to be inverted or exchanged with each other...

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Offline Tajerek

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2017, 10:29:22 PM »
I suggest we read less textbook. And read more Tesla's literature. Reading too much textbook is bad for our brain and for our future generations.

In your text book, we are brainwashed to believe that increase in voltage will always come with decrease in current. This is a condition to make sure that you will always obey the laws of thermodynamics.

The truth of the matter is that you don't even need to throw away the text books, because I am using textbook formulas where overunity is staring people in the face. But when a person is indoctrinated to believe something even if the formula is in front of them they won't be able to see it.

I will list here a known proved text book formulas that any person with engineering background cannot dismiss, they bear the secret to overunity that I am talking about . It all lies in the intrinsec properties of the capacitor itself, most people even in this forum treat the cap as a 'resistive' load consuming power equal to V*I . But that is not the case

Formula 1) The 'displacement' current across a capacitor is I = C*dV/dt

Meaning : it is the voltage change overtime that creates what looks like current across the capacitor, but that is NOT current coming from the source of the varying voltage but current created across the capacitor as a result. It is just displacement current to goes to zero when cap is filled up and then the cap acts like an open circuit to DC. ie no current again from the source.

Notice that the formula defines that 'instantaneous current' in relation to the source voltage and C and Nothing more. --> current from the source is not of any value here.

Formula 2) The Charge on capacitor Q = C* V_source*[1-Exponential(-t/RC)]

This is again great secret for those who can see. Notice how the charge (ie. the energy) overtime is defined in relation only the voltage of the source , R , and C . No mention of current here because it doesn't affect the charge on the cap. Only voltage does. You don't believe it ? look again at the formula. The overunity secret is right there.

Formula 3) The energy stored in a capacitor is E = 1/2*C*V sqr

This sums it all up. The energy is directly related to the voltage across the cap and C. NO source current is present here. What does this mean? it means if you want to increase E, you just have to increase V or C. There's nothing to do with the current of the source.

Formula 4) The time taken to fully charge a cap from a voltage source is 5*R*C

If you think with low current the cap will take forever to charge and therefore impractical, then this formula tells you that the time constant is not in anyway related to the current of the source, but in direct relation to R and C and nothing more.
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The rest of the invention is just conventional science to efficiently extract that energy from the cap and convert it into a useful current. I do that by the use of inductors.

Offline Tajerek

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2017, 11:00:55 PM »
Well, it is not the same, mine is more like Tesla's Hairpin circuit.
I am not using any power from the source, only potential difference of the electric field to seperate the charges between two inner capacitor plates... :)

You are right I didn't pay attention you put 2 caps. But you have 2 caps in series which are nothing more that one cap wher 1/C=1/C1 + 1/C2
Tesla hairpin is slightly different but I don't think your design would give most efficient output.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2017, 11:07:50 PM »

 the spark gap and the capacitive plates need to be inverted or exchanged with each other...
Not really, if you put the spark gap across the Highvoltage module, you would be arching the High voltage though the spark gap. That doesn't give anything. Moreover without arching through the gap the cap doesn't charge.

What we are after is "the disruptive discharge of the condenser" as Tesla calls it. So we need to maximize the charge flowing directly to the capacitor by directly connecting the cap to the HV side , then when the cap is charged to a full it discharges disruptively through the gap. And by doing so a surge of current flows to L1.

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Offline RoliK

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2017, 11:38:22 PM »
Would be nice if it so easy, but u are wrong.

Formula 4) The time taken to fully charge a cap from a voltage source is 5*R*C

Yes, formula is true but in your schematics R is very low like a short circuit. So I=U/R, that means a huge amount of current.....

 

Offline peper10

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2017, 11:49:41 PM »

Not really, if you put the spark gap across the Highvoltage module, you would be arching the High voltage though the spark gap. That doesn't give anything. Moreover without arching through the gap the cap doesn't charge.

What we are after is "the disruptive discharge of the condenser" as Tesla calls it. So we need to maximize the charge flowing directly to the capacitor by directly connecting the cap to the HV side , then when the cap is charged to a full it discharges disruptively through the gap. And by doing so a surge of current flows to L1.


The charge TIME is to be consider for the power transfer..  Look at scopes shot of a disruptive high voltage trough a spark gap and the RAISING TIME occupy most of the screen..  The relation between the L1 and L2 is directly related to raise and surge of L1 because L2 has it`s capacitance and is acting 180 degree trough the curent cycle... This will give the L2 a more sinusoidal wave given a full amplitude.

Offline tomd

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2017, 02:46:41 AM »
This comes to mind as mentioned in the smith.pdf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vr6qmOwLw&feature=youtu.be


Offline peper10

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2017, 03:20:26 AM »

This comes to mind as mentioned in the smith.pdf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vr6qmOwLw&feature=youtu.be


It was discussed that the correct schematic should be like this
« Last Edit: December 19, 2017, 06:28:58 AM by peper10 »

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2017, 04:39:47 AM »
The truth of the matter is that you don't even need to throw away the text books, because I am using textbook formulas where overunity is staring people in the face. But when a person is indoctrinated to believe something even if the formula is in front of them they won't be able to see it.

I will list here a known proved text book formulas that any person with engineering background cannot dismiss, they bear the secret to overunity that I am talking about . It all lies in the intrinsec properties of the capacitor itself, most people even in this forum treat the cap as a 'resistive' load consuming power equal to V*I . But that is not the case

Formula 1) The 'displacement' current across a capacitor is I = C*dV/dt

Meaning : it is the voltage change overtime that creates what looks like current across the capacitor, but that is NOT current coming from the source of the varying voltage but current created across the capacitor as a result. It is just displacement current to goes to zero when cap is filled up and then the cap acts like an open circuit to DC. ie no current again from the source.

Notice that the formula defines that 'instantaneous current' in relation to the source voltage and C and Nothing more. --> current from the source is not of any value here.

Formula 2) The Charge on capacitor Q = C* V_source*[1-Exponential(-t/RC)]

This is again great secret for those who can see. Notice how the charge (ie. the energy) overtime is defined in relation only the voltage of the source , R , and C . No mention of current here because it doesn't affect the charge on the cap. Only voltage does. You don't believe it ? look again at the formula. The overunity secret is right there.

Formula 3) The energy stored in a capacitor is E = 1/2*C*V sqr

This sums it all up. The energy is directly related to the voltage across the cap and C. NO source current is present here. What does this mean? it means if you want to increase E, you just have to increase V or C. There's nothing to do with the current of the source.

Formula 4) The time taken to fully charge a cap from a voltage source is 5*R*C

If you think with low current the cap will take forever to charge and therefore impractical, then this formula tells you that the time constant is not in anyway related to the current of the source, but in direct relation to R and C and nothing more.
---------

The rest of the invention is just conventional science to efficiently extract that energy from the cap and convert it into a useful current. I do that by the use of inductors.




Carve that in stone




Pepper - thank you for pointing out the time factor (nice tc sketch)
Tessa wrote that it was the Frequency that determined the factor of the capacitor
that we now attribute to "power" when it is fully charged.
And this value was dependent upon the electrostatic machine of choice.
He then goes on to talk about some source from the stars that is better than any such machine
And i still haven't figured that one out.... all I know for certain is that it was some metal
In a perfect square to match some frequency
That is abundantly available in our radio-spectrum.
And he could cause tiny oscillations to go through (see peppers schematic) and cause
Very high voltages to occur.
At some high frequency, that was what he considered to be "the best"


Aside from that, the "best" I have found (per radius, and thus mass needed to be rotated)
Is that made by Robert Voss in 1880.


A well respected member recommended using two bare plexiglass (or glass) disks.
In counter rotation
I haven't tried this yet
But what we know from Van de Graff, and our materials list
Plexi taking a neutral stance
The charges should be simply a factor of surface area, no materials constants involved.
(charge reversal has delayed my research here)


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Re: The secret to Overunity
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