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Author Topic: The secret to Overunity  (Read 23157 times)

Offline blueplanet

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #180 on: January 07, 2018, 05:06:49 AM »


@blue
Magnetic flux can be demonstrated
It is short lived, as it disappears as the conductor reaches the max charge.
the magnetism only exists while the change in potential is occurring.


when the electric field is oscillating, the magnetic does the same.
At high voltages the magnetic field strength is very small
increases in conductivity at high voltages reduce inductivity
but it does still exist.


Any use of relativity theory will lead to discrepancies with maxwells work.
Because Einstein did not finish what he was doing. And left part of the equations
unhandled.


I don’t think this means Maxwell was wrong, but perhaps we need more information
to make his equations fully translatable at all levels.


I did not say Maxwell was totally wrong.


In a conductor, this oscillating magnetic field is parallel to the surface but the quantity can be extremely small compared to the voltage. That's where high characteristic impedance comes from, i.e. high electric field and  extremely low magnetic field. Inside a low-loss dielectric material, this magnetic field is possibly not measurable. If there is any measurable magnetic component, it is mostly like along the surface of the dielectric material.


By Poynting theorem, the power which can be transferred should be close to zero.   But the experimental facts suggest otherwise.  Unfortunately, all these Zenneck's stuff are too controversial to talk about.


(PS. I am talking about electrostatic waves.)

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #180 on: January 07, 2018, 05:06:49 AM »

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #181 on: January 07, 2018, 05:09:31 AM »
This piece of news is funny. I am not sure how those Ben worshiper would react:


https://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/carson-rewrites-the-laws-of-thermodynamics/

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #182 on: January 07, 2018, 05:42:11 AM »
the orders of magnitude are inversely proportional
In the same way that voltage and current are in the power equation
The same power can be represented by low V, high I
Or high V, low I


The same occurs with the electric and magnetic induction
because of the time constraints


above threshold voltages (800kV+) this drops to roughly
9.3x(10^-21) Joules per Tesla per volt per meter^2
when we factor out the Weber, we find that at high voltages
the magnetic moment is a very short pulse.
imperceptible to us, but not to a low-energy electron.


it stays at this strength until the other threshold, where matter change states.
then there is no induction, magnetic or electric.
Only charge. The electrons (charge carriers) have fled the scene.
(~2MV)




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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #183 on: January 07, 2018, 08:10:26 AM »
the orders of magnitude are inversely proportional
In the same way that voltage and current are in the power equation
The same power can be represented by low V, high I
Or high V, low I


The same occurs with the electric and magnetic induction
because of the time constraints


above threshold voltages (800kV+) this drops to roughly
9.3x(10^-21) Joules per Tesla per volt per meter^2
when we factor out the Weber, we find that at high voltages
the magnetic moment is a very short pulse.
imperceptible to us, but not to a low-energy electron.


it stays at this strength until the other threshold, where matter change states.
then there is no induction, magnetic or electric.
Only charge. The electrons (charge carriers) have fled the scene.
(~2MV)


There are circuits that require only V to work. Not I. The eventual output power is not VI.


A movement of charge carriers will produce a conductive current, which in turns produces magnetic field. There is no argument against it. The magnetic field which you were talking about was possibly a conductive current of some kind.


A change of electric field also produces a current. This current is called displacement current. This displacement involves no movement of any charge carriers. This displacement current has been proven to be able to do work in some rare situations. But this current does not yield any meaningful magnetic field.  Are you sure you have been able to measure a magnetic field with a displacement current?


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #184 on: January 07, 2018, 08:17:36 AM »
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Offline Erfinder

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #185 on: January 07, 2018, 08:57:12 AM »

No magnetic flux. Just current in the manner of charge movement from one place to another. And this current does not have to be from the same source because capacitor can be monopole rather than dipole.


Since my machines use permanent magnets, I am going to go out on a limb and speculate that there is magnetic flux operating in "my" systems.... I am pulsing current into coils....current in coils produce magnetic fields....soooo.....  we aren't on the same page it seems....


Do you comprehend the difference and or commonalities between the flux of the permanent magnet, and the flux and current of a "current" carrying conductor of a "magneto-dielectric" system? 


I do not acknowledge the commonly accepted view of the dipole....as such, the monopole concept as presented makes no sense.  When we see the dipole as Nature produces and maintains it, rather than how the learned present it to us, we can say dipole and mean monopole, say monopole and mean dipole.  Present geometry of both are fundamentally fucked, no parallels can be drawn between the two..



I am talking about systems involving electrostatic waves.



Yeah......here's the thing....I am not just talking about systems involving them.....I am demonstrating what one can do with systems which produce them.......  fire breathing pulse motor.....show me yours!

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #186 on: January 07, 2018, 09:05:27 AM »

Yes in the form of capacitance charging
you can set off oscillations in an open circuit
By making/breaking contact to one end of an open wire


At that point all you would need to do is match the impedance
to form an LC with the open circuit oscillations


Essentially a radio is this.  A single wire antenna is an ‘open circuit’

I read somewhere that one cannot fill a cup that's already full....


have fun with your single frequency tanks which produce continuous waves....  one of the greatest minds who has ever lived told us about the limitations of continuous waves, yet we still have would be authorities hinting that single frequency resonance is the way to go......its no wonder this and other places have stagnated.



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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #187 on: January 07, 2018, 11:50:31 PM »
I read somewhere that one cannot fill a cup that's already full....

Erfinder, my cup is empty, just ask anybody.

When certain people were investigating the harm done when high voltage DC was suddenly switched onto a line it was reported that stinging rays were experienced. I think that was an electrostatic effect, the sudden increase in potential causing an electrostatic field to explode from the wire. That field would attract the opposite charge to the wire and I think this is where cemf comes from.

Is this correct?

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #188 on: January 08, 2018, 12:29:29 AM »
Some days I wonder if the Universe is bound by Newtonian reactions or if Newtonian reactions are only a sub-set of reactions of the Universe.


Case in point, non-Newtonian liquids, then there are also non-Ohmic materials, seems that there are many "non" things and events within the Universe.


Interesting thought, if the Universe can transfer non-Newtonian reactions and you had a transmitter and a receiver, you could have instantaneous communications between any point in the Universe.  You only have to have there "interaction" happen above the Newtonian limit, or range.  This limit seems to be a rate of change thing, at least with some things anyway.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #189 on: January 08, 2018, 12:55:05 AM »





https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240001-6.pdf


Thank you, that ties right into the charge-drift phenomenon I’ve been studying
With the induction static machines

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #190 on: January 08, 2018, 01:00:47 AM »


... non-Ohmic materials




In an example using a popular non-magnetic alloy “stainless steel”
(305 I think?)
we find that the magnetic field of the charge sphere to be
a function of the rate of change of potential
at the permeability of free space. (up to the threshold)


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #191 on: January 08, 2018, 09:06:46 AM »
Erfinder, my cup is empty, just ask anybody.
 
 When certain people were investigating the harm done when high voltage DC was suddenly switched onto a line it was reported that stinging rays were experienced.


Whether systems under observation are supplied by AC or DC sources,  these systems should always be considered as though they were reactive.  Analyze your circuit from the perspective of their reactive components. 


From your example, borrowed from "Secrets of Cold War Technology", it is assumed that the HVDC system is open circuit, what the circuit actually consists of is anyone's guess.  When the switch is closed, whether it is shorted on itself in the literal sense, or shorted to transition from a series to a parallel tank (an idea repeated over and over again...), the latter is more likely, advantage/leverage can be generated in the latter, the HVDC system opposes change in potential. 


What is the result of opposition to change in potential?


 
[/font][/size]I think that was an electrostatic effect, the sudden increase in potential causing an electrostatic field to explode from the wire. That field would attract the opposite charge to the wire and I think this is where cemf comes from.
 
 Is this correct?


When the switch closes, the established potential drops across the system impedance.  The mechanism responsible for causing what you call the "electrostatic field" to explode from the wire can only be found when we correctly identify the true capacity of the system.


CEMF is born out of opposition to change in current or magnetic flux....as you haven't included a changing magnetic flux, I will not elaborate on it.

Offline blueplanet

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #192 on: January 10, 2018, 05:16:03 PM »
I believe you already read the CIA article on this thing.

The point is: displacement current does not produce magnetic field. If it does, this magnetic field is due to the conductivity of the dielectric material.

The fourth Maxwell equation is misleading. This is a well known fact.

And obviously, Poynthing vector is more misleading.



There are circuits that require only V to work. Not I. The eventual output power is not VI.


A movement of charge carriers will produce a conductive current, which in turns produces magnetic field. There is no argument against it. The magnetic field which you were talking about was possibly a conductive current of some kind.


A change of electric field also produces a current. This current is called displacement current. This displacement involves no movement of any charge carriers. This displacement current has been proven to be able to do work in some rare situations. But this current does not yield any meaningful magnetic field.  Are you sure you have been able to measure a magnetic field with a displacement current?


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #193 on: January 10, 2018, 06:00:52 PM »
If your system is an open circuit, i presume it generates AC sparks as well. According to some internet literature, electromagnetic discharge will not create a significant magnetic field because of the self-canceling effects of the ions.

https://www.quora.com/Does-plasma-generate-a-magnetic-field

The magnetic field strength of ESD discharge is around 100uT.

Sorry i don't have all the answers. I suggest you just try it out from experiments.



Since my machines use permanent magnets, I am going to go out on a limb and speculate that there is magnetic flux operating in "my" systems.... I am pulsing current into coils....current in coils produce magnetic fields....soooo.....  we aren't on the same page it seems....


Do you comprehend the difference and or commonalities between the flux of the permanent magnet, and the flux and current of a "current" carrying conductor of a "magneto-dielectric" system? 


I do not acknowledge the commonly accepted view of the dipole....as such, the monopole concept as presented makes no sense.  When we see the dipole as Nature produces and maintains it, rather than how the learned present it to us, we can say dipole and mean monopole, say monopole and mean dipole.  Present geometry of both are fundamentally fucked, no parallels can be drawn between the two..


Yeah......here's the thing....I am not just talking about systems involving them.....I am demonstrating what one can do with systems which produce them.......  fire breathing pulse motor.....show me yours!

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #194 on: January 11, 2018, 11:31:00 AM »
If your system is an open circuit, i presume it generates AC sparks as well.


my system is open circuit....  part of the observable activity in the electrical discharge is AC.



According to some internet literature, electromagnetic discharge will not create a significant magnetic field because of the self-canceling effects of the ions.


https://www.quora.com/Does-plasma-generate-a-magnetic-field

The magnetic field strength of ESD discharge is around 100uT.


not interested.....

Sorry i don't have all the answers. I suggest you just try it out from experiments.


The purpose of my demonstration is not to introduce the question of the existence of magnetic fields in plasma....  my demonstration questions the established dogma regarding the possibility and feasibility of generating and utilizing "reactive power"...




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Re: The secret to Overunity
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