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Author Topic: The secret to Overunity  (Read 23151 times)

Offline Grumage

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #150 on: December 29, 2017, 12:46:57 PM »
And a happy New Year to you and all in the “ free energy “ research area.

This is the direction that I’m currently taking.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3577.msg66279;topicseen#msg66279

Thoughts/comments?

Cheers Graham.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Offline Cadman

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #151 on: December 29, 2017, 02:36:16 PM »
Now that's interesting!

Perhaps bring a positively charged plate very close to one side of the hot wax. If the wax was in a  grounded mold then it should become negatively charged. Keep the positive influence close until the wax hardens.

If the wax would actually lock in the negative charge state then you would have something like an electrostatic magnet.
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #152 on: December 29, 2017, 03:11:02 PM »
a secret to ou is found through comprehension..... maybe.... what you see is not all there is to it.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #153 on: December 30, 2017, 09:20:24 AM »
Fame 2.0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqWdxVNnhDc&feature=youtu.be


Jack Noskills, 


If you are watching....this is what you should be experiencing, assuming we are on the same page....if you aren't experiencing this, keep at it, you're closer than the rest.


to whom it may concern.....those electrodes are welding rod.



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Offline Grumage

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #154 on: December 30, 2017, 12:49:24 PM »
Dear Erfinder.

Thanks for sharing the demonstration.

You open showing that there’s no continuity between the windings of your machine and the output terminals. I assume that your machine is “ commutated “ either mechanically or electronically to achieve this?

Cheers Graham.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #154 on: December 30, 2017, 12:49:24 PM »
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Offline Erfinder

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #155 on: December 30, 2017, 01:03:07 PM »
Dear Erfinder.

Thanks for sharing the demonstration.

You open showing that there’s no continuity between the windings of your machine and the output terminals. I assume that your machine is “ commutated “ either mechanically or electronically to achieve this?

Cheers Graham.


I was pretty clear that at the generator output there is zero conductivity....zero resistance.... 


There is no mechanical or electronic commutation of the generator....  How was this "character" and "quality" of energy produced using an air core machine?!?!  Don't tell me what you think, show me what you know.....

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #156 on: December 30, 2017, 04:32:33 PM »
Your demonstration proves nothing, illustrates nothing, because as usual you do not provide enough information to determine what you are showing and whether it is actually interesting or not.

There are any number of ways to produce what you've shown in your video. For example, just a simple, small, spark gap, off screen, in series with your wiring to the welding rods would allow you to show the same "zero conductivity or continuity" and "infinite (not "zero") resistance" readings from the meter. Then when you turn the device on and draw an arc from the visible welding rods, this small offscreen gap would of course be bridged, allowing continuity to the welding rods on-screen.

So you've demonstrated only that you have a high current output along with a small degree of HV necessary to jump a tiny gap. And that your power supply is somehow associated with a noisy motor that cannot sustain RPM when under the load represented by the short-circuit arc or the halogen lamp load. What has this to do with anything discussed in this thread?

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #156 on: December 30, 2017, 04:32:33 PM »
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Offline Erfinder

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #157 on: December 30, 2017, 05:09:53 PM »
Your demonstration proves nothing, illustrates nothing, because as usual you do not provide enough information to determine what you are showing and whether it is actually interesting or not.


...thanks.... and guilty as charged regarding not providing what you and your kind refer to as "enough information"...

There are any number of ways to produce what you've shown in your video. For example, just a simple, small, spark gap, off screen, in series with your wiring to the welding rods would allow you to show the same "zero conductivity or continuity" and "infinite (not "zero") resistance" readings from the meter. Then when you turn the device on and draw an arc from the visible welding rods, this small offscreen gap would of course be bridged, allowing continuity to the welding rods on-screen.


...you got it me.....wtf....



So you've demonstrated only that you have a high current output along with a small degree of HV necessary to jump a tiny gap. And that your power supply is somehow associated with a noisy motor that cannot sustain RPM when under the load represented by the short-circuit arc or the halogen lamp load. What has this to do with anything discussed in this thread?


wait....your opening statement was "your demonstration proves nothing, illustrates nothing.....", now you're saying I've demonstrated a high current output along with a small degree of HV....  make up your mind, and while your at it, how about you demo your noisy motor-generator, make sure its capable of producing high current and a small degree of HV, I want to see you melting a few welding rods...  Under load, if it stalls its a fail..... 


Of the few who can speak with authority..... you should know what's going on in that demonstration, and if not you should at the very least, being an authority, have a pretty good idea of what was demonstrated.....


tja....not knowing is one of the many possible reasons why you don't know how my demo relates to the topic....  my opinion, my addition has more to do with the subject than your electrostatic adventures. 

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #158 on: December 30, 2017, 05:27:41 PM »
Erfinder, thank you for increasing my comprehension with that video. I am not blind, nor deaf.

One thing that has always bothered me is the textbook explanation of cemf in a coil. A voltage is produced in opposition to the applied voltage. I always wondered; Produced? From where? How? I have an inkling now.

I wish I was around when you posted all of your other videos.

Respectfully,
Cadman


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #159 on: December 30, 2017, 05:53:10 PM »
Erfinder, thank you for increasing my comprehension with that video. I am not blind, nor deaf.


As Tk pointed out...the demonstration was of a noisy device capable of producing high current and a little HV...(don't know how the majority feel about it, but high current and a little HV....sign me up...)  (haven't seen anyone else do it yet, including TK, and don't think I'll be seeing anyone, TK included, doing it any time soon...)


The question we should be asking is how do we produce high current and a little HV....  followed by is this alternative method superior to what we already know, and finally how does this relate to the subject.  I agree with you fully, you aren't blind nor deaf. 

One thing that has always bothered me is the textbook explanation of cemf in a coil. A voltage is produced in opposition to the applied voltage. I always wondered; Produced? From where? How? I have an inkling now.


I cannot argue with the info on CEMF found in the textbooks.  I will say that the subject of induction isn't limited to interactions between the applied and induced.  I can say with authority that the interaction between applied and induced are not restricted to the applied dominating the induced.  Speaking from experience, the induced can be made to exceed the applied, in addition to this, the induced can be inverted so that it works with the applied.  At some point one must recognize what the "induced" is, and at that point, one can stop directing it or redirecting it, having found how to relate oneself to it, one becomes part of the mechanism through which and in which it, the induced manifests and operates.



I wish I was around when you posted all of your other videos.

Respectfully,
Cadman


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #159 on: December 30, 2017, 05:53:10 PM »
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #160 on: December 30, 2017, 07:24:58 PM »
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #161 on: December 30, 2017, 09:07:32 PM »
Well, of course, “HV” is a matter of perspective.
To me it appeared to be in the low voltage range of things.
But then again, perhaps my mark is set a bit higher


The current was impressive, and if what you state about your set-up is true
Based on its performance


My thoughts are that it resembles a 2-phase A/C motor
with probably a 2-phase a/c output across the tungsten


When you short the generator side, Maxwell and Faraday agreed that the
the change in current through the coil induces a proportional voltage in
opposition to the change. I imagine if you arc too long it will completely
stop your motor.
And as we also see, as soon as you break the connection it returns to the
original speed.


The other clue is that it operates at a specific rpm.


I could probably black box an identical device, but our windings would
be different. I would just reverse engineer the motor, based on your coil design.


If you want an arc-welder, just plug a transformer from any industrial appliance
Into a wall socket.
Arc off the secondary. Much more efficient
Good idea to have an in-line fuse lower than your house breaker
And do the same thing with learning how long to arc.


If you want to show off your motor (which actually looks interesting)
Then why not just show what it’s made of, instead of what it can do.


Or scope the duty cycle while you are arc-welding,
Or perhaps show something useful to make whatever point this has.


You tell us not to guess, then leave us guessing about the data you
are Not giving.


Are you claiming that this device is over unity?
And that the ‘secret’ is shown somehow by your video?




Offline Erfinder

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #162 on: December 30, 2017, 10:08:22 PM »
Well, of course, “HV” is a matter of perspective.
To me it appeared to be in the low voltage range of things.
But then again, perhaps my mark is set a bit higher


the voltage is substantial.... 


The current was impressive, and if what you state about your set-up is true
Based on its performance


the current is impressive.....and what I state about my setup is true.


My thoughts are that it resembles a 2-phase A/C motor
with probably a 2-phase a/c output across the tungsten


interesting..... (not to be interpreted as me agreeing with you..., just found your "thoughts" interesting...)


When you short the generator side, Maxwell and Faraday agreed that the
the change in current through the coil induces a proportional voltage in
opposition to the change. I imagine if you arc too long it will completely
stop your motor.
And as we also see, as soon as you break the connection it returns to the
original speed.


I can arc as long as I want.....the device will only slow down...watch the video again....I pull a prolonged arc....also shorted the electrodes together for a prolonged period....  what would it take to reduce the amount of negative reflection...not a question...


The other clue is that it operates at a specific rpm.


this is a broadband phenomena...


I could probably black box an identical device, but our windings would
be different. I would just reverse engineer the motor, based on your coil design.


and there you have it, one of a thousand reasons why the info I provide is useless..... now you know why I didn't show the machine...


If you want an arc-welder, just plug a transformer from any industrial appliance
Into a wall socket.
Arc off the secondary. Much more efficient
Good idea to have an in-line fuse lower than your house breaker
And do the same thing with learning how long to arc.


my way is better.


If you want to show off your motor (which actually looks interesting)
Then why not just show what it’s made of, instead of what it can do.


what you need to try and understand is I am sharing exactly what I want to share, accept it or ignore it.


Or scope the duty cycle while you are arc-welding,
Or perhaps show something useful to make whatever point this has.

If you knew what you were looking at, you would intuit its usefulness.

You tell us not to guess, then leave us guessing about the data you
are Not giving.


there is no data....  this isn't about numbers, it's about phenomena.

Are you claiming that this device is over unity?
And that the ‘secret’ is shown somehow by your video?


No to both....




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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #163 on: December 30, 2017, 10:33:48 PM »
Jack Noskills concept embedded in a rotational device.  Love it Erfinder!

I had a feeling when you smoked that last mo/gen you had, the next one would be even better.   :)



Induced and applied folks.  It's hard to get one's head wrapped around that, but you have to keep trying until you get it.  I can also testify it's real easy to slip backwards and catch a strong dose of "analysis paralysis".  You got to feel it in the gut, demonstrate it's real and never look back.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #164 on: December 30, 2017, 10:35:47 PM »
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As Tk pointed out...the demonstration was of a noisy device capable of producing high current and a little HV...(don't know how the majority feel about it, but high current and a little HV....sign me up...)  (haven't seen anyone else do it yet, including TK, and don't think I'll be seeing anyone, TK included, doing it any time soon...)

Well, that just shows you haven't been paying attention. Not only can I do it (and have demonstrated it in my videos) but I can do it _wirelessly_.

And in addition, I explain and demonstrate exactly how I do it so that _anyone_ with the interest and skill can repeat for themselves what I demonstrate. That's what OPEN SOURCE is all about.

I'm not especially interested in one-upmanship. What I AM interested in is that people support their claims with rigorous testing, accurate data, and on this OPEN SOURCE forum, sharing enough details so that the work can be replicated and examined honestly.

If you don't want to talk about what you are doing... fine, then DON'T.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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