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Author Topic: The secret to Overunity  (Read 28215 times)

Offline Tajerek

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2017, 02:08:21 AM »
What you are saying is the amount of water in a glass has nothing to do with the amount of water that ran from the faucet.
No that's not what I am saying, what I say is the amount of water in the glass is related to the difference of POTENTIAL of the water and the glass, the quantity of the water source  ie. the voltage. Not the current.
It is not me who claim that, it is known formula that energy in capacitor doesn't depend on the current of the source.

I know it sounds strange but that's why it is the secret. You may read the quote of Tesla that I mentioned.

Charge on capacitor Q = C* V_source*[1-Exponential(-t/RC)]   --> the source current doesn't factor here

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2017, 02:08:21 AM »

Offline citfta

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2017, 02:25:23 AM »
You are very confused about the relationship between voltage and current.  To properly relate it to the water analogy, the voltage is the pressure and the current is the quantity of water.  So your statement about the quantity of the water source being the same as the voltage is wrong.  To charge a capacitor to a higher voltage requires more energy.  You keep insisting it doesn't and that is where you are wrong.

I am done here.  It is clear you are not interested in learning why you are wrong.  You are going to have to build it yourself and then you will understand that it doesn't work like you want to believe it will.  Good luck.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2017, 02:26:27 AM »
What Tesla was talking about was a high-voltage (leyden jar type)
rolled foil condenser. While technically the same, these are not
like the low voltage capacitors we use today.


These were usually made with a wax in between the layers.
Later ones had a type of plastic, and metal casings were put around
them for safety in automobile ignition circuits.


The first photo shows the rolled type Tesla was mentioning
The second one shows a 1906 device demonstrating that they are
used as electron+positron pairs.


We use the earth sink as the positron source. So we don’t have to deal
with all that pesky 1/2 of the energy we use.




Offline Void

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2017, 03:03:38 AM »
You are going to have to build it yourself and then you will understand that it doesn't work like you want to believe it will.  Good luck.

Aye, anyone who has only done even the most basic of testing with capacitors would understand
that what Tajerek is saying here is based on misunderstanding of basic concepts. It takes energy
to charge up a capacitor. That energy has to come from somewhere. The suggestion that
applying high voltage to a capacitor will somehow magically cause a capacitor to charge up
without expending equivalent energy is simply not going to happen, *at least not under normal
conditions*. Something very unusual would have to be happening if a cap can charge up without
expending energy from the input power source that is being applied to the capacitor.

Yes, it seems pointless to explain things further when someone is not willing to give
due consideration to what is being said. :)

All the best...

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2017, 03:18:45 AM »
Trying to locate the reference, but Tesla talked about how to discharge the condenser
Through a coil transformer and back to the condenser, reversing polarities.
Basically dumping it back onto the opposite plate after running it through the inductor.
This would cause it to continue to oscillate for a long time.


When you place a charge onto a capacitor plate, the other place will induce its own charge.
It doesn’t matter which plate or which polarity you choose.
It can be either plate, and + or - charge.
The real power (current part of the equation) comes from both charges.
Not just the charge you supply.


It’s opposite is drawn in from the environment


We use brute force technology instead of allowing the natural energy to flow.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2017, 03:18:45 AM »
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Offline blueplanet

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2017, 07:22:39 AM »
I suggest we read less textbook. And read more Tesla's literature. Reading too much textbook is bad for our brain and for our future generations.

In your text book, we are brainwashed to believe that increase in voltage will always come with decrease in current. This is a condition to make sure that you will always obey the laws of thermodynamics.

Conductive current can be ZERO. In electrostatic condition, higher voltage unfortunately means higher energy. Electrostatic condition does not need to mean a DC. What you need is to find a circuit with no conductive current. This circuit does not have to be Leydon jar or whatever. I understand such a circuit is difficult to find in your text book.


Offline blueplanet

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2017, 07:35:50 AM »
In our text book, we have learned that Power = voltage x current. This means that, if current is zero, power is zero. Now, do you agree that we can save the world now?

(PS. I am afraid I need to be a bit sarcastic.)

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2017, 07:35:50 AM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2017, 11:23:03 AM »
Let’s take it a step further and examine the situation when we have
1-2Mv potential
Even at microAmperes,
What is the power level of a discharge?


Is this ‘static’?


Not to mention, at those voltages, energy density is so great
that we begin to affect physical matter itself.
This bridges the gap between electric theory and atomic physics.
All of our equations change at these voltages.

Offline blueplanet

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2017, 12:44:44 PM »
This is static.
At this voltage, the air will be potentially subject to dielectric breakdown.
I don't know whether you want to talk about open circuit or closed circuit.


Let’s take it a step further and examine the situation when we have
1-2Mv potential
Even at microAmperes,
What is the power level of a discharge?


Is this ‘static’?


Not to mention, at those voltages, energy density is so great
that we begin to affect physical matter itself.
This bridges the gap between electric theory and atomic physics.
All of our equations change at these voltages.

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2017, 01:51:24 PM »
“Subject To losses”?
That’s your explanation?


Power is power. V*I


Whatever is lost after that is subtracted from the total.
It doesn’t change the total energy involved.


At what size does a static-electric generator
Equal to the power of a conventional steam-electric generator?


And how much “energy” has to be put into each to achieve this power?


“Static” is only static until you allow it to move.
In the same manner that the potential energy of a battery is “static”.
The same can be said of any capacitor.


The condenser can dump 100% of its energy at one time.
The ‘actual current’ is a large spike. The ‘average current over time’
Is the value commonly used, this is why it is often micro amps in quantity.
Instantaneous current is all induction cares about.
This is an important distinction when dealing with high frequencies.


You can melt steel with a ‘static’ discharge.
To do this with a conventional generator connected to an arc welder
Requires exponentially greater quantities of energy.


The math is available for both of these situations.


If we take an absolute value for the energy required, it becomes apparent that
Our conventional generator and arc welder are less than 1% efficient.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2017, 01:51:24 PM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2017, 01:54:31 PM »
The truth is in your own answer.


Impedance decreases with voltage.


Power = V/R


Think about this for a moment.


At what voltage does resistance through (any) matter
Approach 0?


Is the power available at these high voltages equal to the voltage itself?
Or are we talking about redefining our power equations?

Offline Belfior

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2017, 02:08:17 PM »
That statement I highlighted is absolutely wrong.  Anyone with the most basic understanding of electronics can see the error of that statement.  What you are saying is the amount of water in a glass has nothing to do with the amount of water that ran from the faucet.

I think what he is saying is that he has chosen to fill the glass with a small faucet, but massive pressure. It will fill up in the same time as using almost zero pressure and one drop from from a massive faucet.

Size of the glass does not change. Amount of charge is the same. But I would also like to see a video of his system :)

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2017, 02:28:48 PM »
I think what he is saying is that he has chosen to fill the glass with a small faucet, but massive pressure. It will fill up in the same time as using almost zero pressure and one drop from from a massive faucet.

Size of the glass does not change. Amount of charge is the same. But I would also like to see a video of his system :)


This is a good analogy. In this example the size of the faucet
is like the voltage, the flow rate is the current.
And the “power” is the water that ends up in the glass.


The important thing to note is the ‘energy’ used to pressurize
the small faucet. Now I also will point out that we expend this great energy
so we can transport the water over long distances and has little to do with the
energy required to fill the glass.




Offline Belfior

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2017, 02:55:53 PM »
so we create a massive tension with low amps and with like a flyback. Then put that into a primary that resonates with secondary. There is the 'extra' you are looking for. Rectify into a cap = win

Only issue is how to decouple that cap and the load behind it from disturbing the resonance

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2017, 03:08:08 PM »
I think the spark gap handles that part for us

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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