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Author Topic: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications  (Read 3946 times)

Offline Magluvin

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How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« on: November 17, 2017, 11:19:35 AM »
Id Like to hear some views on this subject. So here is where we can discuss this.

I looked through the topics and dont know where to put it. Im not going to moderate here other than approving appropriate posts. If Stefan would like to make it its own board then thats cool too. I am not requesting to be a moderator if he does. Ill leave that up to him if he makes the changeover.

It would be good if many give their views to come to some sort of consensus on this. I dont have the ability to add a poll here. Ill look and see if I can do it after it is posted.

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Offline citfta

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2017, 12:51:08 PM »
I voted yes.  A replication is not a replication if it is not built as closely as possible to the original.  Since NONE of us know everything we might be overlooking the one thing that makes the device work if we build it according to our ideas instead of like the original.  If built according to the original plans and it works like the original claims THEN we can consider ways to make it better.

I see the poll ends on my birthday.

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2017, 01:39:54 PM »
Hey Carrol

Thanks for posting.

I agree.  ;D

Gota git to work.

I chose 60 days for the poll.  So countdown to your birthday begins today. ;)

Mags

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2017, 05:58:02 PM »
Replicate and extrapolate ek se

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2017, 07:36:24 PM »
I voted yes, but it could be good to expand on replications after it has been shown to work properly.

It is sometimes hard to follow, as maybe not all components is on hand, but when people do a replication with different components then whats prescribed, it is not a bad thing, in my opinion.

I didnt read the posts before mine, so I may have just written the same thing as everybody else.

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2017, 10:43:46 AM »
Replicate and extrapolate ek se

I dont know what that means exactly, but..


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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2017, 10:51:57 AM »
I voted yes, but it could be good to expand on replications after it has been shown to work properly.

It is sometimes hard to follow, as maybe not all components is on hand, but when people do a replication with different components then whats prescribed, it is not a bad thing, in my opinion.

I didnt read the posts before mine, so I may have just written the same thing as everybody else.

Yes. But it should be a matter of importance to try and build as close to what is shown as a base line and after all is tried to no avail. If you go too far off course it may not be considered anything that had to do with the original.

In the confirmation of OU thread, it was chosen to test the Bedini V2.  Brad has a pdf on it but it has not been posted yet. So I dont know if all the info is there other than the depictions and pictures of the machine.

Thanks for the poll and explanation for your vote. ;)

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2017, 06:54:29 PM »
No.
I think that most important (and often forgotten) precondition for successful replication... is that replicator understands how device works . Without understanding even very close copy most probably will not work :)

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2017, 08:11:03 PM »
vasik041


100% agree. You are on the good path.

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2017, 09:34:26 PM »
" Without
understanding even very close copy most probably
will not work'

Without knowledge in that field yes however if the guy has a precise manual for building from scratch then it shouldn't be hard,especially for simple devices

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2017, 06:11:52 AM »
No.
I think that most important (and often forgotten) precondition for successful replication... is that replicator understands how device works . Without understanding even very close copy most probably will not work :)

Thanks for the opinion.

If it is an OU claim, and your replication is not as close as possible, and then you do not get OU results, then I have to say your results cannot be 100% conclusive as to debunk the claim. Like why would you wish to go on your own interpretation? If one is serious about going after the possibility of OU, of which would be a very important discovery, what reasons would one have to not build as close as possible when you are going to go through the trouble of the build in the first place, if your real goal is to possibly see and OU device sit and work on the bench in front of you?

Heck, you can build 100 variants and not see anything, when 'maybe' if you had gone the direct route, then you may have not had to build all those variants.

I just find it strange that some insist on not building an accurate as possible replication when it comes to the search for the ever elusive OU claims.

Like you say " is that replicator understands how device works ".  Really?  How does the Kapanadze work?  How does the Bedini V2 work? Why does Bedini use magnets all N out? Do you think NSNSNS is better??? Etc, etc.

Mags







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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2017, 06:14:50 AM »
vasik041


100% agree. You are on the good path.

Really Forest?  Well which ou devices or claims do you know how they actually work to get OU? Please share. If not, then what are you really saying?

Mags

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2017, 09:42:54 AM »
"Heck, you can build 1000 variants and see
something, when 'maybe"

When maybe you connect the dots of principal

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2017, 01:02:57 PM »

Without knowledge in that field yes however if the guy has a precise manual for building from scratch then it shouldn't be hard,especially for simple devices
Sounds true. But experimenter's understanding and experience to the involved topic/device/principal theory is what counts at the end. The same simple circuit will lead to different conclusions to different experimenters and thus to different results. My point is that if 5 persons look at the same circuit, each one of them will recognize only what he is ready to recognize. And this readiness depend only to his experience.

Building a replication is not the best term. Making an attempt to replicate is better.
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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2017, 08:41:33 PM »
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