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Author Topic: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications  (Read 1768 times)

Offline forest

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2017, 08:41:33 PM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2017, 05:14:01 AM »
Yes and no

There comes a time when you have to understand what effect the inventer is trying to achieve.

Take bedinis 1984 energizer for example.

Some got there knickers in a twist,just because my energizer did not look the same as the one depicted in the diagram bedini showed, but could not explain the difference between the two.

The thing that makes it worse,is the fact that that diagram also dose not depict the energizer that bedini had working on his bench.

The inventer also go's  on to say that there are many types of generators,and alternators that can be used to achieve the desired effect.

To many people seem to think that a replication must look like some picture posted by the inventer,when often the picture/diagram has nothing to do with the  actual machine the inventer actually made.

We should be replicating the effect the inventer specifies-not some picture that the inventer drew on a piece of paper.


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Offline Erfinder

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2017, 09:30:00 AM »
Yes and no

There comes a time when you have to understand what effect the inventer is trying to achieve.


so you saying you know what was the inventor trying to achieve...

Take bedinis 1984 energizer for example.


what about it...

Some got there knickers in a twist,just because my energizer did not look the same as the one depicted in the diagram bedini showed, but could not explain the difference between the two.


your needing someone to explain the difference between the two is a testament to your ignorance......

The thing that makes it worse,is the fact that that diagram also dose not depict the energizer that bedini had working on his bench.


says you.....the debunker...


The inventer also go's  on to say that there are many types of generators,and alternators that can be used to achieve the desired effect.


aye...indeed he did, and I imagine you busying yourself, testing as many of those methods as you can, and are still coming up short.....  where you fail is you don't know what the desired effect is...


To many people seem to think that a replication must look like some picture posted by the inventer,when often the picture/diagram has nothing to do with the  actual machine the inventer actually made.


ah...now we find the great debunker trying to justify why he builds what he wants how he sees fit...  The inventor built and tested all versions and variations of his idea, all of which led to what can be considered as the final iteration of the concept... you would be wise to remember that.


We should be replicating the effect the inventer specifies-not some picture that the inventer drew on a piece of paper.

Brad


wise words from one oblivious of the effect!

Offline Floor

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2017, 08:41:58 PM »
Replications should be nearly identical to the original...

       In order that .....

1.  unseen and unknown....  factors which may other wise affect the replication
experiment's outcome are avoided.

2. Errors in original device / methods / processes ..... may be discovered.

3. Replication is replication,  not modification.


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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2017, 11:37:26 PM »
Replications should be nearly identical to the original...

       In order that .....

1.  unseen and unknown....  factors which may other wise affect the replication
experiment's outcome are avoided.

2. Errors in original device / methods / processes ..... may be discovered.

3. Replication is replication,  not modification.

 ;)   Thanks Floor. I agree 100% ;D Well said.

Mags

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2017, 11:37:26 PM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2017, 04:25:21 AM »

so you saying you know what was the inventor trying to achieve...


what about it...


your needing someone to explain the difference between the two is a testament to your ignorance......


says you.....the debunker...



aye...indeed he did, and I imagine you busying yourself, testing as many of those methods as you can, and are still coming up short.....  where you fail is you don't know what the desired effect is...



ah...now we find the great debunker trying to justify why he builds what he wants how he sees fit...  The inventor built and tested all versions and variations of his idea, all of which led to what can be considered as the final iteration of the concept... you would be wise to remember that.



wise words from one oblivious of the effect!

And bla

Offline profitis

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2017, 01:22:46 PM »
"3. Replication is replication,  not modification."

Some blueprints have enormous scope of error and they still work just fine.all relative

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
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Offline h20power

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2017, 11:15:42 PM »
It really depends on the one doing the work. If say they are like me and are actually doing hands on experiments, funding their own work, and doing all of the research and other ground work then that person doesn't have to answer to anyone other than themselves. The one thing that drives people like me away from the forums is people acting as if we owe them something. When I went to understand what Meyer had done I did so in a way that I knew was going to be the long way around as lets face it all the information in the patents and that that can be found in the many lecture videos hasn't helped out anyone's understanding of just how that technology actually works.
Based on understanding one can build things just like what they are trying to replicate or make improvements on things they are trying to replicate. The key word is "Understanding" as once things are understood then you can see if things were done in the best way or not. I found many mistakes in what Meyer did with his technology and designed things around those mistakes I found. I also found many mistakes with the assumptions people whom have had their hands on Meyer's technology made. It was all due to a good understanding of the actual science behind the technology. Thus I can make changes to practically anything Meyer built now.


Most people in forums like these like to try and use methods they come up with to try and get me to tell them what I know and/or have learned about this technology in a forceful manor. When I don't fall for their scams or succumb to their demands they get mad and run off threatening to stop my efforts to bring out this technology which is siding with those that are currently selling energy as you can't have it both ways.


When it comes to trying to replicate any technology you must first try and gain an understanding of what it is that is being done so your first builds should be very close to the thing you are trying to replicate. You have to test them greatly leaving no stone unturned and I found that making use of the scientific method helps as it forces one to ask and answer questions. From what I have seen in the many forums I have been in most are perfectly willing to ask questions but not so willing to try and answer those questions especially if it means they will have to spend money out of their own pockets to get an answer. These people like other people to answer their questions and if a person refuses to answer their question they proceed towards bashing the person of interest in an attempt to get their questions answered.


What worked for me is the fact that I understood that I would have to be the one answering my own questions most of the time. If I needed something built just to gain more understanding about the technology I did so knowing that that money was just being spent not to have a working prototype but to gain more incite on way the technology actually works. So, once that "Ah Haw" moment happens you can start to build the technology based on what you understand about the underlying science behind the technology.


So, to answer your question one should approach and proceed with building replications in a manor that will allow them to gain an understanding of the true science behind what it is they are trying to replicate. Once you understand how it works then you can make changes to try and make things better as when starting off you should build things as close as you possible can to that which you are trying to replicate for if you don't you might introduce a lot of unknowns that you more than likely will not be prepared to deal with. Plus like always you must get the right tools for the job for the wrong tools will lead you in the wrong direction.


The faults I see others make all to often fall in those lines in that they don't want to answer their own questions, aren't willing to spend money to build things correctly or get the right tools for the job they are trying to replicate, and they aren't willing to put in the time or be committed to the task they set off to complete.
Well, this is my take on these matters.

Offline shylo

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Re: How We Should Approach And Proceed With Building Replications
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2017, 12:04:04 AM »
If I could understand how they worked before replicating, I could've saved alot of time.
Why replicate , build your own.
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Free power dosen't exist , you have to put something in, or nothing will come out.
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Free lights 24/7 no problem, but it needs wind or solar
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