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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 17545 times)

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #270 on: December 04, 2017, 05:28:14 PM »
Also home made slip rings made from tube from local hard ware store and a load of time and a good quality Super glue used as filler with link wire packing x4. and it didn't shrink if that helps.

It was just a test device obviously it would need 2 or 4 in a line with feed trough wires between pvc tube and copper pipe with cut outs.

See pics

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #271 on: December 05, 2017, 12:26:13 PM »
Ok,decided to play around with the energizer a bit more.

After some trial and error,i found a cap value that raises the output voltage of the generator,and also charges the 10 000uF cap faster,to a higher value--but still slow.

But it comes at a cost.
When the cap is added across the output to form the tank,the current draw to the prime mover go's up another 86 odd mA.

So,where we gain in one area,we loose in another.

First scope shot is without the tank cap.
Second scope shot is with the tank cap across the output.
Third scope shot same as second,only with half wave rectification.


Brad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #272 on: December 05, 2017, 04:53:32 PM »
So,where we gain in one area,we loose in another.

Hi Brad. Yeah, maintaining LC resonance puts more load on the driving part of the circuit, in normal
circumstances anyway.  To see an OU energy gain something very out of the ordinary will have to be
happening somewhere.

I have been running tests on battery pulsing in various ways to see if I could find any unusual
battery charging effect like Tom Bearden has theorized about, but so far I have not found anything
that looks really unusual. The alternate pulsing of the motor drive and cap discharge with the use of a
sizable flywheel to keep the generator spinning up to speed during the cap discharge pulse window
is one possible source for getting an unusual gain, but of course you have to be able to get the cap bank to charge up
to at least 2 or 3 volts above the battery terminal voltage in a suitable amount of time first before trying the alternate pulsing,
which is where you seem to be having an issue.

The problem with trying to replicate other people's setups is most people who claim and demonstrate OU devices typically do
not provide enough specific details to do a proper replication. I am skeptical of John Bedini's claims because, that I know of, it seems
he never demonstrated anything publicly that really convincingly looked like over unity. As most people no doubt realize, doing relatively
short demonstrations when powering with batteries can potentially be very misleading.  When powering with batteries you have to do relatively
long test runs to see how the battery can really hold up, but this of course depends on the capacity of the battery you are testing with.
I try to keep an open mind however. Maybe there is something unusual hiding in Bedini's setups. :)

All the best...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #273 on: December 05, 2017, 07:45:20 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #274 on: December 05, 2017, 08:59:14 PM »
Ok,decided to play around with the energizer a bit more.

Brad

As did I.   :) ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqHec3pN2Zo

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #275 on: December 05, 2017, 10:11:54 PM »
Hi grumage, thanks for sharing.
I thought the battery was supposed to be conditioned for this setup to work, is that motorcycle battery conditioned.
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #276 on: December 06, 2017, 05:43:47 AM »
Hi Brad. Yeah, maintaining LC resonance puts more load on the driving part of the circuit, in normal
circumstances anyway.  To see an OU energy gain something very out of the ordinary will have to be
happening somewhere.

I have been running tests on battery pulsing in various ways to see if I could find any unusual
battery charging effect like Tom Bearden has theorized about, but so far I have not found anything
that looks really unusual. The alternate pulsing of the motor drive and cap discharge with the use of a
sizable flywheel to keep the generator spinning up to speed during the cap discharge pulse window
is one possible source for getting an unusual gain, but of course you have to be able to get the cap bank to charge up
to at least 2 or 3 volts above the battery terminal voltage in a suitable amount of time first before trying the alternate pulsing,
which is where you seem to be having an issue.

The problem with trying to replicate other people's setups is most people who claim and demonstrate OU devices typically do
not provide enough specific details to do a proper replication. I am skeptical of John Bedini's claims because, that I know of, it seems
he never demonstrated anything publicly that really convincingly looked like over unity. As most people no doubt realize, doing relatively
short demonstrations when powering with batteries can potentially be very misleading.  When powering with batteries you have to do relatively
long test runs to see how the battery can really hold up, but this of course depends on the capacity of the battery you are testing with.
I try to keep an open mind however. Maybe there is something unusual hiding in Bedini's setups. :)

All the best...

Hi Void.

I do not believe this energizer will yield  any positive results.
The first red flag was the use of soft iron cores-way to much loss to eddy current heating--this is why we shifted to laminated cores.

I think your approach,the solid state DUT,would be a much more efficient way to go.

But,as i spent the time building the energizer,i might as well keep at it for a bit.
But at the same time,i am going to finish my larger setup,that uses a far more efficient generator.


Brad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #277 on: December 06, 2017, 06:02:43 PM »
@tinman

Scope ch1 and ch2 on two non connected or tanked coils to see their phase difference if any. Then compare to the others. Then scope two in series and compare with two others in series.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #278 on: December 07, 2017, 08:30:07 PM »
Hello All.

It seems I may have had my " wires crossed " in video 2!!   :-[

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9OblryAjrk

Observations?

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #279 on: December 07, 2017, 09:15:45 PM »
Hi Grum. Interesting that the motor speeds up a bit when you connect the
cap output through the commutator pulser to the battery.

What is the frequency of your energizer output? Is it in the 180 Hz to 200 Hz range?

Are you alternating the pulsing to the motor and cap discharge so that when the motor is
powered the cap discharge is off, and when the cap discharge to the battery is on, the power to the motor
is cut off?

The commutator switch for the cap discharge pulse should be between the capacitor and the battery,
so that the capacitor is charging up when the motor is getting power, and then when the motor power is
cut off, the commutator connects the charged capacitor to the battery to discharge the cap into the battery in
a sharp high current discharge pulse. Is that how you have it? It would be nice to see a scope trace of the
voltage across the capacitor as well as the energizer output waveform, if possible. 

All the best...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #280 on: December 07, 2017, 09:39:50 PM »
Hi Void.

Yes is the answer to your first two questions.

My capacitor is across the coils to create a resonant condition before the FWBR, I'm dumping from the FWBR back to the battery.

I can do a follow up tomorrow with your suggestions plus any others, if anyone is interested.

Cheers Graham.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #281 on: December 07, 2017, 10:00:53 PM »
My capacitor is across the coils to create a resonant condition before the FWBR, I'm dumping from the FWBR back to the battery.
I can do a follow up tomorrow with your suggestions plus any others, if anyone is interested.

Hi Grum, Ok, that explains why your scope waveform was looking like that.
You can leave the cap across the coils if you want, but, I think to be like Bedini's 1984
generator setup you need another cap across the DC output of the bridge rectifier,
and the commutator switch goes between this charge cap and the battery. This charging
cap will charge up during the period when the motor is powered on, and then discharge
with a sharp current pulse into the battery when the motor power is off. This way the charge cap is storing
up energy from all the energizer pulses during the cap charge up period when the motor is powered.

P.S. If your generator RPM at top speed is around 1850 RPM, then if I didn't make a calculation error that
means each full rotation takes about 32ms. Half of that is available for the cap charge time, so about
16ms, which depending on the capacitance value of your charge cap may or may not be enough time
to charge up the cap to a voltage of at least 15V or so. The higher the total capacitance you want to charge up,
the more time it will take, so to charge up a large sized cap or cap bank you may need to gear down the
rotational speed of the commutator. If you have some different capacitance values available, if you like you can
maybe try different values of capacitance to see what max value of capacitance your generator is able to charge up
to at least 15V in 16ms.

All the best...
« Last Edit: December 08, 2017, 12:11:02 AM by Void »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #282 on: December 07, 2017, 11:08:09 PM »
HI Grum,

I agree with void.  You need another cap after the bridge so it can charge up while the motor is running powered on.  If you were to take the time to look at the thread on the Energetic forum by Bizzy he claimed he had this system working.  He first powered the motor up to speed by bypassing the commutator.  That gave the caps time to charge up also.  He had a large collection of caps connected in parallel after his bridges.  Then when the motor was up to speed he switched in the commutator and let the caps keep the battery charged up from the pulses from the caps.  He claimed his system was large enough that he could use some of the excess energy in the caps to power an inverter to power some of his house.

Your build looks great.  Thanks for sharing.
Carroll

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #283 on: December 08, 2017, 11:20:53 AM »
Great engineering skills. Well done Grum! For sure i would try an operation without any diodes. Keep it up and thank you for sharing! ;)


ps. Does your energizer coils open-circuit when cap discharges to the battery?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #284 on: December 08, 2017, 12:34:35 PM »
Hello All.

Many thanks for your encouragement and compliments, it’s appreciated.

My scope is telling me that the open circuit AC voltage is just under 100 V pp.

Lots of possibilities to investigate still, in fact I haven’t tried adjusting the position of the commutator with respect to the magnets yet!

Pretty sure there’s more to come.

Cheers Graham.

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