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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 8269 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2017, 11:15:16 AM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2017, 01:00:08 PM »
A question for all.

Ok,i have redrawn the schematic,and will explain a little further.

Lets say the generator is a low 70% efficient.

The device is started with the switch in position A

The current is 8 amp's,and the voltage is 24 volt's.
So the power being sent to the motor is 192 watts.
Lets say the motor is 80% efficient,and so the mechanical output from the motor is 153.6 watts.
Our generator is only 70% efficient,and so we would only get 107.5 watts out of our generator,from the 192 watts being consumed by the motor.

The generator is required to produce 8 amp's @ 10 volt's=80 watts
This 80 watts is only 74.7% of the output the generator can deliver for the given P/in

So,the motor is started with the switch in position A,and when up to running speed,the switch is switched to position B

The question is-->what happens when the switch is switched to position B?


Brad


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2017, 02:32:34 PM »
That is brilliant Brad!  When I first looked at your schematic I didn't look at it closely.  I just assumed you were connecting the output in parallel with the batteries.  Now that you added the switch I looked closer and realized you were connecting the output in series with the batteries.  I am thinking if you get the energizer rewired so the current is higher and the voltage lower the whole system will speed up and maybe go into a run away condition.  Or possibly use a step-down transformer to get higher current at lower voltage and keep the current down in the energizer itself.  I am eagerly awaiting your results.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #93 on: November 14, 2017, 03:04:27 PM »
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That is brilliant Brad!  When I first looked at your schematic I didn't look at it closely.  I just assumed you were connecting the output in parallel with the batteries.  Now that you added the switch I looked closer and realized you were connecting the output in series with the batteries.
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I am thinking if you get the energizer rewired so the current is higher and the voltage lower

Already done  ;)

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Or possibly use a step-down transformer to get higher current at lower voltage

I was thinking about going that way,but the transformer is just another loss.

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the whole system will speed up and maybe go into a run away condition.




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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #94 on: November 14, 2017, 04:06:16 PM »
What did I say....only the ignorant chase OU.....
you don't hear me saying anything about OU.....

Hi Erfinder. I have been following this thread, and I am kind of at a loss as to what
you are up to here. You act like you have these claimed motor/generator OU devices all
figured out, yet you offer absolutely nothing concrete and useful to help Tinman except taunts and insults.  :o

The title of this thread is 'Confirmation of OU devices and claims'. If you believe all OU claims
are 100% false, you could have said that in one comment and there would be no need for you
to comment any further in this thread. All I see from you so far is childish comments trolling Tinman. 
If you want to share something useful, then share it. If you don't want to share anything useful, then why are
you commenting here?


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline Erfinder

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #95 on: November 14, 2017, 04:52:05 PM »
Hi Erfinder. I have been following this thread, and I am kind of at a loss as to what
you are up to here. You act like you have these claimed motor/generator OU devices all
figured out, yet you offer absolutely nothing concrete and useful to help Tinman except taunts and insults.  :o

The title of this thread is 'Confirmation of OU devices and claims'. If you believe all OU claims
are 100% false, you could have said that in one comment and there would be no need for you
to comment any further in this thread. All I see from you so far is childish comments trolling Tinman. 
If you want to share something useful, then share it. If you don't want to share anything useful, then why are
you commenting here?


How about you define useful, do so without asking for schematics, measurement data, or demo model plans...  what you and many others consider useful ain't useful... 


Where is your useful contribution....  all I see is a individual kissing up to and cheerleading for the guy he believes is disseminating what he considers useful information.. 


This is not a replication, it stopped qualifying as such when Tinman took it upon himself to change the magneto, and mix concepts illustrated on the diagrams he found.  A second battery has been added, and the cap is now series as opposed to parallel like we find it in the source diagram....WTF....  this is what's going for a replication?!?  Individuals like yourself accept this proudly..... when the tests fail to deliver what all hoped it would, after the audience is schooled on proper measurement gathering techniques....  he will use his signature , "Bedini Rubbish" line and all of you agree with him.....   


What am I doing here....if only you had ears to hear.....


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #96 on: November 14, 2017, 04:52:30 PM »
So,the motor is started with the switch in position A, and when up to running speed, the switch is switched to position B
The question is-->what happens when the switch is switched to position B?

Hi Brad. I can't say for sure, but I would guess that it will not help much in any way.
The batteries will continue to run down with no charge being applied to them.

From what I can see, the whole point of this type of arrangement is to send a charge to a
battery within a one second or so window while the battery is fully disconnected from driving the motor.
The reason for this is if you try to send charging pulses to the battery while the battery is still driving the
motor, that momentary charge pulse or pulses (which equates to a small momentary battery voltage increase on the battery)
will just cause the motor to drive a little bit harder while the charge pulse(s) are being applied, and there will be
little to no gain in charge in the battery.  To try to get around this problem, Bedini's approach was to disconnect
the battery from the motor for about one second, use the momentum of the big flywheel to keep the generator
up to speed, and send one or more charging pulses to the battery during this one second window where the
battery is not connected to any load.

I don't know Bedini's stuff really in depth, but the impression I get is that Bedini's OU claims for these type of setups
seems to involve having a special configuration of generator (energizer) and taking advantage of a special type
of pulsing to charge batteries in an unusual way. It seems supposedly some sort of special battery charging
action is supposed to occur which allows the batteries to charge much more efficiently than would normally occur with
more 'normal' battery charging approaches. Possibly just sending huge momentary current pulses to the battery using a large
capacitance capacitor pulse discharge is the 'secret' to getting the battery to charge faster than normal, but
something also has to first get that large capacitance cap bank charged up very fast as well during the one second window
where the cap bank is charging, so the 'energizer' would seem to need to be doing something unusual as well.

Also, Bedini has mentioned that the battery can get damaged from charging with those large current pulses,
so it makes me wonder if these large setups can really work for any sort of an extended run even if you
can get the battery to stay charged for short runs. The question is, does sending really large current pulses to a
battery really give it a true charge, or is it just some sort of misleading 'surface charge' that occurs
which makes it look like the battery is staying charged up for shorter runs, but which will not really keep the
battery charged for long duration runs over 24 hours?

I will be interested to see what your current setup can do as it is, to get a baseline of how it is performing.
If it is not performing well, maybe building a bit smaller scale setup using the most efficient DC motor you can
find and following Bedini's approach to building the energizer as closely as can be determined with whatever details
are available could maybe be tried by someone to see if it has much better performance than your current setup.


All the best...


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #96 on: November 14, 2017, 04:52:30 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2017, 04:57:36 PM »
How about you define useful, do so without asking for schematics, measurement data, or demo model plans...  what you and many others consider useful ain't useful... 
Where is your useful contribution....  all I see is a individual kissing up to and cheerleading for the guy he believes is disseminating what he considers useful information.. 

This is not a replication, it stopped qualifying as such when Tinman took it upon himself to change the magneto, and mix concepts illustrated on the diagrams he found.  A second battery has been added, and the cap is now series as opposed to parallel like we find it in the source diagram....WTF....  this is what's going for a replication?!?  Individuals like yourself accept this proudly..... when the tests fail to deliver what all hoped it would, after the audience is schooled on proper measurement gathering techniques....  he will use his signature , "Bedini Rubbish" line and all of you agree with him.....   

What am I doing here....if only you had ears to hear.....

 :o Ok, it is clear you have nothing to contribute except pretense and hot air...


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #98 on: November 14, 2017, 05:07:36 PM »
:o Ok, it is clear you have nothing to contribute except pretense and hot air...


you have no idea....  keep cheerleading...it suits you...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #99 on: November 14, 2017, 05:39:44 PM »
Hi Tinman,

Further regarding the one second charge window:
During the one second window where the battery is disconnected from the motor and it is
being charged, it appears you should actually get multiple charge pulses going to the battery.

You will have the huge current discharge pulse from the cap bank discharge when the relay is
switched on to discharge the cap bank into the battery, but the generator is still connected to the cap bank
and batteries all through this one second charge window, so besides the big current discharge pulse from
the cap bank discharge into the batteries, the generator is still sending continuous charge pulses to
both the cap bank and battery while the relay is engaged for the whole one second charge window.
So you should have a full second of charging pulses going to the cap in parallel with the battery during the
one second charge window. Lindemann estimated about 1,865 charge pulses per second coming from
Watson's large Bedini machine.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2017, 05:47:19 PM »
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All Agree
end quote.

a bit Presumptive in a room full of builders .

it "should " be noted, all ideas/opinions are considered [still very much so]...and it should also be noted redundant builds would  be a waste of very limited resources .

respectfully
Chet
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a note to Void
your video mentioned earlier
attempts are being made to follow up on the invitation to Carroll [to see that DUT







 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #101 on: November 14, 2017, 05:52:13 PM »
It is not a self runner, but it could be scaled up.
No big effort or investment needed, just a few hours of time and some parts from junk...

Perhaps somebody want try it :)

With one core you get 50 micro watts, with 10 or 20 core you probably can blink a LED...


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #102 on: November 14, 2017, 06:02:06 PM »
Erfinder
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All Agree
end quote.

a bit Presumptive in a room full of builders .

it "should " be noted, all ideas/opinions are considered [still very much so]...and it should also be noted redundant builds would  be a waste of very limited resources .

respectfully
Chet
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a note to VIOD
your video mentioned earlier
attempts are being made to follow up on the invitation to Carroll [to see that DUT


all opinions and ideas are not considered....  I wasn't speaking for you....all, those who know, know you aren't a builder...


how very coy ramset, classifying a supposed replication, and copies of the supposed replication redundant!  I haven't asked you and your investor connects for an audience, don't assume I don't have something to show, I got more than what you're chasing in this thread...... 


I call this thing you are supporting here a waste of money...but as it's not my money, you have my support....waste as much as you like.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #103 on: November 14, 2017, 06:21:11 PM »
Erfinder
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please embellish us with that info ?? please don't hold back !!

you have my written permission to post all you know here about that statement
I am most curious...

a statement  like that cannot go unanswered at an open source forum

and the fact is all I do is build, I just do not like wasting resources here or anywhere else.

Chet Kremens
 


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #104 on: November 14, 2017, 06:28:43 PM »
Erfinder
investor contacts

please embellish us with that info ?? please don't hold back !!

you have my written permission to post all you know here about that statement
I am most curious...

a statement  like that cannot go unanswered at an open source forum

and the fact is all I do is build, I just do not like wasting resources here or anywhere else.

Chet Kremens


what info? 


I'd like to see your work....

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