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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #225 on: November 22, 2017, 06:42:26 AM »
yes JB's Radiant Oscillator ( an Oscillator that produces more out than put in) and can run on it's own steam, In one of his vids he said / quoted that he was threatened over the device. Strange how he produced a beefed up version just before he died.
It's on JB website and reference on google

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #226 on: November 22, 2017, 08:05:03 AM »

The solid soft iron cores are an issue for me,as they would not be as efficient as laminated steel cores-but we have to replicate as close as we can get to the original machine.


Brad


Efficient how?  as in what do you see there function as?  as in what if they were not being used like a "normal" coil with core for induction.
Maybe they are part of a "magnetic" capacitor of some sort that allows the PM to move past the coil\core and get closer to the next coil\core before that "magnetic" capacitor is discharged out via the coil into the low resistance, low voltage battery??




The "normal" capacitor will be offering a high resistance,, so higher voltage lower current but maybe still able to hold an opposing field to the changing PM and maybe somehow holding the soft iron core "charged",,,,


Just rambling outside the box a little,,  looking at things from a backwards view so to say.  This way, however, the Energizer might also be a motor during the discharge pulse,, a pulse motor of sorts?????

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #227 on: November 22, 2017, 08:06:28 AM »
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I'll make it real simple for you Mag's,as it would seem that you want me gone.

You post a video-along with the full schematic and construction specifications,of a self running/self charging machine,that works as JB claims his dose,and i'll leave this forum the day some one replicates the device,and confirms that it works as claimed by the inventer(other than Erfinder)-->hows that for a deal  :D

Nope.
Im putting it together for confirmation --one way or the other.
The negativity stems from the countless years of !books of bullshit!,where the Bedini group sell books on false pretenses==that being,it will show the buyer the way to make a free energy device--all the secrets are exposed.
Thats where the negativity comes from Mag's.

And just where did you get that from?

I think you are mixed up with-->i am against those that come into this thread,claiming that they know it all,but have nothing to show or share--those that claim that things are being done wrong,but cannot provide information as to how to do it right.

My replication will be as stated by the inventor,where clear instructions are given in the book the inventor wrote him self,on the very device being replicated here.

I love fishing Mag's.
I never catch anything,but i keep going,in the hope that next time,i will land the big one.

 
Because i know first hand what can be achieved,and keep looking for an answer to one single question i have regarding one of my own machines--and one which you will be seeing some time in feb-march next year.

I do,as long as you can provide what i asked for above.

The best way to prove me wrong,is to show what i say dose not exist  ;)
I will be more than happy to leave this forum Mag's,if thats what it takes to bring a free energy device to everyone here.


Brad

I had said much earlier that I would not reply here again. But Tk made reference to me so I had the right to reply. So beyond this post I will  NOT reply any further. AND, I simply had to reply to Wattsups post as it seems very odd what he implied, and he has yet to return to clarify.

When I made the alternative bet for you to keep your nut, it was just a way of saying here is a lighter alternative to mutilating yourself.  I meant what I said just as seriously as you were about your nut. I know you would not do it. And I did say in my post..."Not that I would like to see that happen really" so we can drop all bets as they will never happen either way.. So your statement of "I'll make it real simple for you Mag's,as it would seem that you want me gone" is not so.

It is clear that you do not believe you will ever see any good results from this Bedini build. For example....

"The negativity stems from the countless years of !books of bullshit!,where the Bedini group sell books on false pretenses==that being,it will show the buyer the way to make a free energy device--all the secrets are exposed.
Thats where the negativity comes from Mag's."

"The best way to prove me wrong,is to show what i say dose not exist"

"After years of experimenting,i bet my left nut that the washing machine motor would make a far more efficient generator than that which Bedini used in his energizer."

And those are from only from this recent page 15 alone let alone what you said earlier.


Then there is reply #207
"Ok,some facts about Bedini's  actual energizer he had working on his bench-well what he claimed was working on his bench......."

Well according to what you were first building here and saying all N out is not necessary or better than your washing machine motors NSNS config and "guessing" that there were rectifiers in the coils, etc, it is clear that you knew nothing about this bedini machine till you read the book here recently, yet you had and STILL have all these ideas and convictions of what you thought it was and just proceeded to apply what you thought was a better way of going about it.  As of late it is very clear you knew nothing much at all on this machine before you read the book. So your Bedini bashing has been based on what you have heard and seen from others and not by your own investigations on the subject to come to your own educated conclusions.


This is what ER had issues with and I do also.


Also from reply #207....  "1-why all north out with the magnets?. The answer is simple."

Yeah, sure.  But earlier before you read the book, how simple was it then? It was all nonsense according to you. ::)

Too many people, and even to say, too many smart and respectable people here, have all these preconceived notions and imagined ideas to put down things they clearly dont know anything about, of which this thread produces proofs of that, of which Im clarifying here in this post.


"I think-like all those before you,you will be sadly dissapointed as to how much you !dont! get from Erfinder."

Well right now I can say that this statement is only your opinion and far from the truth that I know right now. I will not divulge what I have learned from him as I have very high respect of him at this jucture. Very. He will disclose his years of clearly very great knowledge, way beyond many, in his own time. With your device on the shelf you refer to at times, and the arrogant claims you make of it and imply that it is special, and do not disclose how to build it or what the principles are that make it so special to the people here, you are showing you are in the same position he is in with what he knows. This is clearly hypocritical of you. And right here and now, I can say he would rock your world with just 1 of his discoveries let alone the many other ideas and discoveries he has made. At this point, compared to everything I have seen here over the years, he IS top gun. And I can say that without having to bet my nut because I know that I would never have to drop my pants to fill that bet.


My stance on replicators having positive initiatives towards OU still stands. That is what this site is 'suppose' to be all about.  And clearly by many of your statements here, you are only doing all this to prove Bedini was a complete fraud and not to actually see if there is something special to it.

Nuff said. Good luck in your endeavors, what ever they may be. ;)

Mags

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #228 on: November 22, 2017, 03:19:48 PM »

Efficient how?  as in what do you see there function as?  as in what if they were not being used like a "normal" coil with core for induction.
Maybe they are part of a "magnetic" capacitor of some sort that allows the PM to move past the coil\core and get closer to the next coil\core before that "magnetic" capacitor is discharged out via the coil into the low resistance, low voltage battery??




The "normal" capacitor will be offering a high resistance,, so higher voltage lower current but maybe still able to hold an opposing field to the changing PM and maybe somehow holding the soft iron core "charged",,,,


Just rambling outside the box a little,,  looking at things from a backwards view so to say.  This way, however, the Energizer might also be a motor during the discharge pulse,, a pulse motor of sorts?????


I am referring to eddy current drag,where the solid soft iron core would have far more drag than a laminated steel core--this is why we use laminated cores today.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #229 on: November 22, 2017, 03:46:07 PM »
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I had said much earlier that I would not reply here again. But Tk made reference to me so I had the right to reply. So beyond this post I will  NOT reply any further. AND, I simply had to reply to Wattsups post as it seems very odd what he implied, and he has yet to return to clarify.

You are always welcome to post here Mag's--that has not changed.

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Also from reply #207....  "1-why all north out with the magnets?. The answer is simple."

Yeah, sure.  But earlier before you read the book, how simple was it then? It was all nonsense according to you. ::)

The answer was simple Mag's.
It also clearly states in the same book,that alternators can be used to achieve the same effect.

Now,correct me if im wrong,but dont alternators produce an alternating current?..
Dose not my washing machine motor,when used as a generator, produce an alternating current?--is it then not an alternator?.

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It is clear that you do not believe you will ever see any good results from this Bedini build.

Not true Mag's.
I told you i would give it my best,and as you have seen,i have corrected my mistakes as i go.
The more i find out,the more i will correct what i got wrong.
See next post.

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"After years of experimenting,i bet my left nut that the washing machine motor would make a far more efficient generator than that which Bedini used in his energizer."

And i stand by that at this time.

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Well according to what you were first building here and saying all N out is not necessary or better than your washing machine motors NSNS config and "guessing" that there were rectifiers in the coils, etc, it is clear that you knew nothing about this bedini machine till you read the book here recently, yet you had and STILL have all these ideas and convictions of what you thought it was and just proceeded to apply what you thought was a better way of going about it.  As of late it is very clear you knew nothing much at all on this machine before you read the book. So your Bedini bashing has been based on what you have heard and seen from others and not by your own investigations on the subject to come to your own educated conclusions.

Dose the diagram below not show a FWBR across the coil?
Dose it not say--John Bedini's 1984 energizer?

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This is what ER had issues with and I do also.

Dont really care what Erfinder has issues with.

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"I think-like all those before you,you will be sadly dissapointed as to how much you !dont! get from Erfinder."

I have spoken to many that came before you,and i think the only dissapointment was spending some much time,and getting nothing in the end.
Lets hope it is different for you.

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Well right now I can say that this statement is only your opinion and far from the truth that I know right now. I will not divulge what I have learned from him as I have very high respect of him at this jucture. Very. He will disclose his years of clearly very great knowledge, way beyond many, in his own time.

It is the opinion of many others as well.
Erfinder and myself go wayyyy back.
Some things just never change.

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With your device on the shelf you refer to at times, and the arrogant claims you make of it and imply that it is special, and do not disclose how to build it or what the principles are that make it so special to the people here, you are showing you are in the same position he is in with what he knows. This is clearly hypocritical of you.

Not at all.
I dont go to every thread,and tell people they are doing it wrong,just because i believe i am the only one that knows how to do it right.

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And right here and now, I can say he would rock your world with just 1 of his discoveries let alone the many other ideas and discoveries he has made. At this point, compared to everything I have seen here over the years, he IS top gun. And I can say that without having to bet my nut because I know that I would never have to drop my pants to fill that bet.

Well,your on a winner then.
No need to bother with us simple folk here then.

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My stance on replicators having positive initiatives towards OU still stands. That is what this site is 'suppose' to be all about.  And clearly by many of your statements here, you are only doing all this to prove Bedini was a complete fraud and not to actually see if there is something special to it.

Once again--you have me wrong.

I said i would give it my best shot,and i am doing just that--see next post.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #230 on: November 22, 2017, 03:49:24 PM »
Well tonight i gave the pulse charging system a go,and went on the hunt for this high frequency oscillation that is suppose to be taking place within the battery.
It is suppose to be between 2.5 and 6MHz.

Well,it would seem that it is actually there   ;)-->scope shot 1
The scope ground and probe were directly across the battery terminals.

I am also quite supprised at how fast the battery charged using this high current pulse method.

The pulse current had a peak of 9.6amps-->very near 1 volt over .1 ohm CVR

The battery is a new 60 A/H battery--bought for the project.
The battery was pulled down to 12.1 volt's,using a car head lamp. Then i let it rest for 30 minute's,and it rose back up to 12.3v.
Using the pulse charger(which was running of my power supply,at a voltage of 15 volts,the battery was charged to 12.84 volts in 20 minutes. It was then left to rest for 1/2 hour,and settled at 12.76v

The calculated power of each cap discharge is around 510mJ
This was calculated using the scope shot below-scope shot 2.
The cap is a 15 000uF,50v cap.
The blue trace is across the cap,and yellow trace is across the battery.
The frequency is not 1KHz as indicated by the scope. I believe that is picking up the arcing of the contacts in the relay.
The cap dump relay is on for about 100ms,and the cap charge relay is on for about 200ms

Once again-->i have not seen a battery charge so fast,using so little power. :o

Graham--there may be something in this after all.  ;)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #231 on: November 22, 2017, 05:30:04 PM »
Hi Brad. Looks like you are making good progress. By your 'pulse charging system' do you mean
your JB motor/generator setup? If you do, the DC motor may be producing EM noise that is getting
picked up by the scope probe across the battery, so that could be a possible source of the high frequency
pulses seen in your scope shot. Just something to consider as a possibility. I don't know what
your exact configuration was, so just throwing that out as something to consider.

All the best...



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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #232 on: November 22, 2017, 06:09:38 PM »


Graham--there may be something in this after all.  ;)

Hi Brad.

I'm very pleased to read that!

Just wound one coil this afternoon to find that at 200 turns it needs 70 grams of Copper wire. Just had to order a 500g spool.

A sneaky preview....

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #233 on: November 22, 2017, 08:53:49 PM »


I am referring to eddy current drag,where the solid soft iron core would have far more drag than a laminated steel core--this is why we use laminated cores today.


Brad


That is what I assumed you were referring to :)


Having played with soft iron material with coils and PMs I have been surprised many times by the amount of heat the soft iron will give off for so little electrical input power.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #234 on: November 22, 2017, 10:28:26 PM »
??? ??? ??? ???  If the batteries are in series and equal the discharge voltage, then there would be no discharge to show on the scope..   :o ??? ::)  Mags

@Mags

Yes but what was being discussed was based on one 24vdc discharge into a 12vdc battery. The only way to see the spread of such an effect is to make a comparison to see the same discharge under different scenarios. I would have also recommend discharging the same into a 6 and 18 volt battery as well just to cover a good enough range of variables. The point is regardless of the equal battery to discharge, it is too see it on the scope how it will translate those different events using the same discharge. That's the only way to learn if that is the object.

About magnets all north. Think of each copper and iron atom as having a nucleus similar to an internal Gyro-magnet with its North (GN) and South (GS). When the North (N) wheel magnet approaches from the left, the GS turns to it. The GS then follows the passage of the N magnet until the N magnet abandons the GS while it points to the right. When a next N magnet comes again from the left the process repeats itself. The GS does one "quick turn" and one "follow the passage" and that's what you see on the scope.

If you have alternating N and S magnets on the wheel when the S magnet first comes from the left the GN turns to it then follows the magnets passage so the magnet then abandons the GN on the right and by doing so leaves the GS pointing towards the left. But now an N magnet is approaching and the GS is already on the left so you get no turn action there, only the action of the GS following the N magnet passage. So in S and N magnet placements you will only pickup passage of the magnet and less the approach.

The greatest problem with a magnet passing a iron core with copper windings is that each wind is a loop. So when the magnet gets to the coil, the closest part of the wind reacts in one way while the furthest part of the loop reacts in the opposite where all together you generate more cancellation potential just because of the used topology.

Look at a car alternator. How can so few winds produce 12vdc at 100 amps? Because first of all only one side of each loop is near the rotor so the conveyance has less cancellation hence more output, making that stator load up so much that you need 5 to 6 HP to keep it going. The GS and GN in the atoms are so stressed that a majority are pushed into the opposing polarity that then does the same in the core itself where together they then create the drag ATTRACTION. Drag is excessive attraction. So how can that happen? The magnet did not change. The coil did so the question is how can you produce the same effect while lowering drag? It can only be done with new topologies.

I will post my opinion on replicating separate.

@tinman

Again, such battery charge tests can only be conclusive if you do the following.

1) Charge the battery using a standard battery charger at trickle charge until the charge indicates full charge.
2) Let the battery sit for 10 minutes then measure the voltage. Let's say it shows 13.2 volts.
3) Load the battery and count the time it takes for the voltage to lower to let's 11.5 volts. Don't ever let the battery get below 10.5 volts or you can damage it.
4) Do your own charging method until you arrive at the same 13.2 volts showing after a 10 minute waiting period.
5) Load the battery again and count the time it take for the battery to go back down to 11.5 volts.

If the second load lasts the same length of time or longer, great, if not, there is a problem in the theory of it all.

wattsup

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #235 on: November 23, 2017, 12:04:51 AM »
Hi Brad. Looks like you are making good progress. By your 'pulse charging system' do you mean
your JB motor/generator setup? If you do, the DC motor may be producing EM noise that is getting
picked up by the scope probe across the battery, so that could be a possible source of the high frequency
pulses seen in your scope shot. Just something to consider as a possibility. I don't know what
your exact configuration was, so just throwing that out as something to consider.

All the best...

Hi Void.

As stated in my post,i was using my power supply,which is a smooth DC output,set at 15 volts to charge the cap.

Still working on the energizer.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #236 on: November 23, 2017, 12:57:30 AM »
Hi Void.
As stated in my post,i was using my power supply,which is a smooth DC output,set at 15 volts to charge the cap.
Still working on the energizer.

Hi Brad. I was asking about what you meant by your 'pulse charger', but no worries... 
I thought maybe you meant you were driving the motor from your power supply. :D
I guess maybe you mean just your controller circuit connected to your relay.


Hi Grum: (I left the @ symbol off for you. :) ) It's looking good. :)


All the best...

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« Reply #237 on: November 23, 2017, 05:44:56 AM »
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Hi Brad. I was asking about what you meant by your 'pulse charger', but no worries... 
I thought maybe you meant you were driving the motor from your power supply. :D
I guess maybe you mean just your controller circuit connected to your relay.
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Ah,ok

Sorry,i should have been a little clearer.

But anyway,i was just driving the circuit ,and charging the cap with my PS,then dumping the cap into the battery-no motor or energizer at this stage.

As i was using mechanical relays,the arcing at the relay contacts may be what we are seeing.
But as the frequency is close to what Tom Bearden states,either it is in the battery it self,or they too were seeing the arc frequency across the battery.

But the battery charged quick,and after placing a good resistive load across it,it is clear that it was a good heavy charge,and not some surface charge.

Will be doing some further charge and load testing as i go along.


Brad



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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #238 on: November 23, 2017, 07:48:37 AM »
As i was using mechanical relays,the arcing at the relay contacts may be what we are seeing.
But as the frequency is close to what Tom Bearden states,either it is in the battery it self,or they too were seeing the arc frequency across the battery.
But the battery charged quick,and after placing a good resistive load across it,it is clear that it was a good heavy charge,and not some surface charge.
Will be doing some further charge and load testing as i go along.
Brad


Hi Brad. Yeah the arcing from the relay contacts would likely generate some spikey looking waveforms of some type, but that
should show in bursts right at the points where the relay switching occurs.
If that high frequency noise waveform you showed on your scope is coming from the battery, that would really be something. 
That's great that the cap pulsing put a good charge on the battery. That is a very good start. :)

All the best...

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« Reply #239 on: November 23, 2017, 03:09:22 PM »
the reference to recent "bets" here made me take another look at a Post On EF the other day

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It is suggested by no less an authority than Andrija Puharich that are hero Tesla was also 'Nutless' perhaps to remove sexual 'urges' and so concentrate on his research ?
I often wonder if some readers and contributers to energetics I would be very happy to name might like to urgently consider the same procedure ? (in the interests of science)
https://vimeo.com/4935037
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I have removed the posters Name [since he removed the post ,but it was copied by another member]

careful with the bets...... :o

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