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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 12582 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #105 on: November 14, 2017, 06:35:18 PM »
Erfinder
exactly
there is no info to back up your statement about audiences with my investment contacts !

there are none and never have been

what has taken place in the past .[By Dr.Steven Jones Group]

inventors who make claims of 0U have been offered Donations to open source from
Angel donors with no strings or investment attached.

 open sourcing is the only criteria.

no investors
   no patents

Donors
Open source
[Key words]

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #105 on: November 14, 2017, 06:35:18 PM »

Offline Erfinder

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #106 on: November 14, 2017, 06:39:39 PM »
exactly
there is no info to back up your statement about audiences with my investment contacts !

there are none and never have been

what has taken place in the past .[By Dr.Steven Jones Group]

persons who make claims of 0U have been offered Donations to open source from
Angel donors with no strings or investment attached.

 open sourcing is the only criteria.

no investers
Donors
Open source [Key words]


there it is....  what did I say....don't twist it.... "I have not asked for an audience with your "investor contacts".....  you read into the statement, thinking the worst of me......  but like a good sport, you filled in the blanks...  changing what could have been interpreted as an assumption gone wrong into.... damn... Chet has contacts.... vindication...  let's not continue this.... 


I repeat... I'd like to see your work....


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #107 on: November 14, 2017, 06:39:48 PM »
It is not a self runner, but it could be scaled up.
No big effort or investment needed, just a few hours of time and some parts from junk...
Perhaps somebody want try it :)
With one core you get 50 micro watts, with 10 or 20 core you probably can blink a LED...

Hi vasik041. If it is not a self runner, then unless you can explain here in brief and simple terms
what specifically makes you think it is OU, and briefly how you have measured the input power versus
the output power, then it will be hard for people to assess. People may not want to spend time
reading through a long PDF file if they don't even know first what it is you are claiming it does
that is unusual.

I have found that testing at really low power levels will always leave way too much room for the
possibility of measurement error and oversights. If it is not a self runner, then most likely it would
need to be producing a clear and significantly much larger output power than the input power to
generate much interest. Unfortunately really low power setups have just too much potential to show
misleading results unless you can get it self running.


Offline ramset

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #108 on: November 14, 2017, 06:57:17 PM »
Erfinder
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I haven't asked you and your investor contacts for an audience,
end quote

whats to read into ??

its a false, purposely misleading  statement .

Others who seek investors for business find this "Donor" idea suspicious.
 
I build things for children with disabilities [not toys]
to help them and their families cope with the hardship of their daily lives.
we all do what we can to help our fellow man.

and yes I have built here and elsewhere over the years ,its hard to put down one set of tools
and pick up another when the need is soo great .

its not all about "investor's" there really are good people out there
that just want to make a difference and "give" to the right cause .

these are the Donor's which Dr.Jones has contacted in the past.

a reminder this is an open source forum.
and I would sooner hack a limb off than get in-between a life saving tech
and the world that needs it 

with a price tag...

EDIT
to comment below

its just the truth

and you provoked this ... and assume way too much.



Offline Erfinder

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #109 on: November 14, 2017, 06:59:17 PM »
Erfinder
Quote
I haven't asked you and your investor connects for an audience,
end quote

whats to read into ??

its a false, purposely misleading  statement .

Others who seek investors for business find this "Donor" idea suspicious.
 
I build things for children with disabilities [not toys]
to help them and their families cope with the hardship of their daily lives.
we all do what we can to help our fellow man.

and yes I have built here and elsewhere over the years ,its hard to put down one set of tools
and pick up another when the need is soo great .

its not all about "investor's" there really are good people out there
that just want to make a difference and "give" to the right cause .

these are the Donor's which Dr.Jones has contacted in the past.

a reminder this is an open source forum.
and I would sooner hack a limb off than get in-between a life saving tech
and the world that needs it 

with a price tag...


you're a soul warming soul.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #109 on: November 14, 2017, 06:59:17 PM »
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Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #110 on: November 14, 2017, 07:09:35 PM »
Ramset, Tinman:

Is this going to be just another thread overrun by trolling and insults like many other threads, or what? ;)

You always have to draw the line somewhere in this world regarding *all* matters. If someone
is disrupting things, then something needs to be done or it will likely only continue or get worse. ;)
If someone obviously doesn't have a clue about how to communicate in a civil manner, then whether it is
in a work place or a library or a court of law or in a family household or in some sort of discussion forum, you
just have to draw the line somewhere and do something concrete about it when the line is crossed. Otherwise
chaos is the only likely result. ;D

I realize that disruptive behavior and constantly throwing out insults etc., is the mentality level of many people in
this world, but that doesn't mean you have to put up with that sort of ignorant behaviour here. ;D
It doesn't matter at all if that person potentially has something useful to add. If they are constantly disrupting
things and throwing out insults, then obviously something needs to be done. There typically is just no reasoning
with people who are that ignorant/troubled, so in such a case something needs to be done.  Otherwise, there is a a good
chance that many who are interested in some serious exchange of knowledge and ideas here will quickly move on...

I am personally not interested in building motor/generator setups myself, as it is not my thing, but I am quite
interested in what the key working principles are supposed to be behind them which are supposed to lead to the 'OU results',
and whether they can be shown to actually 'work' in practice. If it works in a motor/generator setup, then I think
there is at least a possibility that the same principles might be put to use in a complete solid state setup as well.
This is why I have personally been following along with this discussion about Bedini's motor/generator setups so far.
Let's please stick to discussing the topic at hand, and if one or more people are disrupting things and won't take
the hint to cut it out, then simply do something about it... ;D


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #111 on: November 14, 2017, 07:13:58 PM »
Erfinder

Soooo
you need a Donor ?



only criteria is open source ?
no business interests of any kind [from Angel Donors]

reading your comments over the years
I know you have put huge blocks of your life  into this ,My response above was for me !
not meant as judgment of others and their needs or responsibilities.

 
I expect a strong response [but will not clog this thread any further ....

 


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #111 on: November 14, 2017, 07:13:58 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #112 on: November 14, 2017, 07:16:00 PM »
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People may not want to spend time reading through a long PDF

Unfortunately as an explanation I can offer only even longer PDF... and if 4 pages is too long... probably it does not help anyway.

 :-X

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #113 on: November 14, 2017, 07:16:00 PM »
I expect a strong response here....

Hi Ramset, you are free to do as you want if this is your thread, but maybe if you two guys took
your 'discussion' to PM it would be less disruptive to the topic currently at hand? ;)


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #114 on: November 14, 2017, 07:19:24 PM »
Void
sorry for the intrusion
I have nothing but appreciation for those who help here.

respectfully
Chet

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #114 on: November 14, 2017, 07:19:24 PM »
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Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #115 on: November 14, 2017, 07:19:38 PM »
Unfortunately as an explanation I can offer only even longer PDF... and if 4 pages is too long... probably it does not help anyway.
 :-X

Many people here are quite limited in free time. ;) I don't see why you shouldn't be able to post
a brief description about what specifically you think is unusual with your setup. :) Just a few lines
to say what you think is happening that you think is unusual or notable.

Offline Erfinder

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #116 on: November 14, 2017, 07:33:33 PM »
Erfinder

Soooo
you need a Donor ?



only criteria is open source ?
no business interests of any kind [from Angel Donors]

reading your comments over the years
I know you have put huge blocks of your life  into this ,My response above was for me !
not meant as judgment of others and their needs or responsibilities.

 
I expect a strong response [but will not clog this thread any further ....


nah....I'm good....


Offline vasik041

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #117 on: November 14, 2017, 07:44:13 PM »
Many people here are quite limited in free time. ;) I don't see why you shouldn't be able to post
a brief description about what specifically you think is unusual with your setup. :) Just a few lines
to say what you think is happening that you think is unusual or notable.

Very well. Pulsing coil on ferrite core with very short and high current pulses produce NR.
Nothing really unusual. Many people claimed it but nobody demonstrated it.
With minimal efforts you can see a real FE effect... and experiment arranged so that you don't need do precise measurements, you just see it on scope traces.

Thank you for your time :)




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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #118 on: November 14, 2017, 07:54:24 PM »
Very well. Pulsing coil on ferrite core with very short and high current pulses produce NR.
Nothing really unusual. Many people claimed it but nobody demonstrated it.
With minimal efforts you can see a real FE effect... and experiment arranged so that you don't need do precise measurements, you just see it on scope traces.

Thank you for your time :)

I for one am interested in what you have to say here.  If you would, please attach your pdf so those of us that do have the time may gain from your experience!

Regards,
Pm


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #119 on: November 14, 2017, 07:59:30 PM »
Very well. Pulsing coil on ferrite core with very short and high current pulses produce NR.
Nothing really unusual. Many people claimed it but nobody demonstrated it.
With minimal efforts you can see a real FE effect... and experiment arranged so that you don't need do precise measurements, you just see it on scope traces.
Thank you for your time :)

Hi vasik041. Thanks for the summary. :)

I did browse quickly through your PDF, but the main potential problem I see is there
really is too much room for measurement error and outside influences such as electrical/EM background noise
skewing results at really low power levels like that. I have seen what appears to be very interesting effects at
low power levels as well in different setups, but I have found that what can appear to be OU at very low power levels
may well not hold up when scaled up to higher power levels. Other people here might be interested to look into
your setup further however.

Edit: Oh, I see 'NR' means negative resistance...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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