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Author Topic: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....  (Read 14276 times)

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #270 on: November 09, 2017, 12:56:03 PM »
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If i didn't know your backround i would definately assume that you are trying to hide the truth from the people.

Are you talking to me or Erfinder?
If me,then i have shared everything i have done open source-with the exception of only 1

 
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But i know that it is just a strong made up opinion of yours which just can not move from its place.

After many years,you become aware of what is truth,and what is just talk.
My opinion is very easily moved. All you have to do,is provide third party approved evidence and measurements , that your device delivers more power than it consumes.

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Sorry mate but i think that it is time to move on! I took my path, keep yours as it is if you know it is right and everything will go fine.

Could not agree more Jeg--follow your own path,and learn the truth on the bench--never rely on others words to choose your path for you.

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Just try to understand that Overunity.com is a place of exchanging ideas, and not a place to demonstrate who has it bigger

Yes,and 9 times out of 10,it works very well.
But you see,some time ago,Erfinder called my Rotary Transformer an abomination,and that just did not sit well with me. He gets like that with things he cannot understand,or fears that which he knows not. 

Then you will see,as you did on this thread,he just pops in,and starts babbling on about Tesla devices. Dose not matter what you were talking about,he just changes it to Tesla related stuff,thinking he knows all  ::)
But here he is,some many years later--still babbling on about tesla secrets.
And many years later,no one has been able to put together anything related to Erfinders babble--thats a fact.


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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #271 on: November 09, 2017, 01:37:13 PM »
author=Jeg link=topic=17482.msg512857#msg512857 date=1510225914]

But you see,some time ago,Erfinder called my Rotary Transformer an abomination,and that just did not sit well with me.   


garbage in.....garbage out.... :P


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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #272 on: November 09, 2017, 01:59:47 PM »


  you have a history, and a trail of dead ends....  You have the balls to say I string people along.... how many epic fails have you suckered your following into replicating.... not a single one of those projects was ever brought to completion.....  how many times have you failed the community, and finially failed yourself..... 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvf9Uo7UVx0&t=2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lbL9ztaX1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-8LaQHZzF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mbp1iuB7as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Fxr3OP1sU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HwUuPQn2W8&index=63&list=FLsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

The list go's on,including that which you cannot see,nor are a part of.

Then there is the pulse motor build off's
2012,2013,2014,2015,
Where my self and Russ spent many hours putting them altogether,providing prizes at our own cost-along with the donated prizes.

So,i think i have done quite a bit,when it comes  to helping other's,and others have done a lot to help me.

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #273 on: November 09, 2017, 02:06:42 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvf9Uo7UVx0&t=2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lbL9ztaX1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-8LaQHZzF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mbp1iuB7as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Fxr3OP1sU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HwUuPQn2W8&index=63&list=FLsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

The list go's on,including that which you cannot see,nor are a part of.

Then there is the pulse motor build off's
2012,2013,2014,2015,
Where my self and Russ spent many hours putting them altogether,providing prizes at our own cost-along with the donated prizes.

So,i think i have done quite a bit,when it comes  to helping other's,and others have done a lot to help me.


here's a cookie for ya...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QtT3Hbx7xA


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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #274 on: November 09, 2017, 02:09:02 PM »

garbage in.....garbage out.... :P

There ya go--i rest my case.



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« Reply #274 on: November 09, 2017, 02:09:02 PM »
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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #275 on: November 09, 2017, 02:10:37 PM »
There ya go--i rest my case.


what...I'm just returning your kindness...

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #276 on: November 09, 2017, 02:11:07 PM »
Please...shake your hands in private and lets continue our journeys in piece. In my very stressing job we call names all of the time but nothing is personal. At the end of the day we are all still friends who trust and help each other. Mistakes happen as we are humans. Egoism just doesn't belong here.

A friend told me once that in this quest we are in the first line. The engineers that use to be here are all pioneers in this area, while the rest of the world is watching.. expecting and hoping for a better tomorrow. Stand up men and show your best.. Failures or misconceptions are WITH us and not AGAINST us. Just keep your eyes open...
Over and Out

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #277 on: November 09, 2017, 02:15:55 PM »
Please...shake your hands in private and lets continue our journeys in piece. In my very stressing job we call names all of the time but nothing is personal. At the end of the day we are all still friends who trust and help each other. Mistakes happen as we are humans. Egoism just doesn't belong here.

A friend told me once that in this quest we are in the first line. The engineers that use to be here are all pioneers in this area, while the rest of the world is watching.. expecting and hoping for a better tomorrow. Stand up men and show your best.. Failures or misconceptions are WITH us and not AGAINST us. Just keep your eyes open...
Over and Out


I don't want his friendship...not interested in his help....could care less about where he's going or where he's been...  He says I babble... those who he whispers with agree with him....  I am cool with that...  I say he builds abominations....  poo for poo...

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #278 on: November 09, 2017, 03:16:51 PM »
Please...shake your hands in private and lets continue our journeys in piece. In my very stressing job we call names all of the time but nothing is personal. At the end of the day we are all still friends who trust and help each other. Mistakes happen as we are humans. Egoism just doesn't belong here.

A friend told me once that in this quest we are in the first line. The engineers that use to be here are all pioneers in this area, while the rest of the world is watching.. expecting and hoping for a better tomorrow. Stand up men and show your best.. Failures or misconceptions are WITH us and not AGAINST us. Just keep your eyes open...
Over and Out

Wouldn't it be that great if it were that easy Jeg.

Im sorry,but it just aint going to happen.

I  left the land of make believe long ago.
Bedini's magical radiant energy
Lindermanns books of secrets
And Aaron the rookies fairy tale forum--all gone--all removed to make room for reality.

You see,in the beginning,i was a bedini fan,and built pulse motor after pulse motor--even the bicycle wheel one--to the spec's provided.

Month after month,year after year, i searched for this !radiant! energy.
But as the years went by,and i bought better measuring equipment,i started to see this radiant energy fade into the distance--back into the realm of make believe.

You learn to separate the bullshit from reality
You learn to make accurate and correct power measurements on your bench.
You read all the !books of secrets!,only to learn that there are no secrets--there always going to be in the next book  ::)

There is a storm coming Jeg--a big one.

No longer will great names be associated with the famous ,but more so the deceitful

Make sure your on the right boat,as one of them is sinking.


Brad

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #279 on: November 09, 2017, 11:00:19 PM »
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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #280 on: November 10, 2017, 11:18:56 AM »

Just a little contribution to you know what is displacement current if you don't know ....
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByZY5hj0h0hXMHFOOHdyT29rZDg

Read that book. Its a great gift.

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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #281 on: November 10, 2017, 05:48:35 PM »
Since the natives are restless, I will do something positive to rally the troops:

The Tesla Ozone Patent in modern technical English:

To whom it may concern:

There is a DC electric motor C that blows air down an enclosed trough.  Opposite sides of the trough have plates P that have an alternating high voltage between them that produces the ozone.

The current for the DC electric motor is routed through a cylindrical commutator E that is on the shaft of the motor.  The commutator and associated brushes form the controller H.  The controller will periodically interrupt the current that flows through the motor coils.  When the current to the motor is interrupted by the controller it is directed into an LC resonator formed by coil M and high-voltage capacitor L.  Coil M also forms the primary of a transformer, the secondary of the transformer is coil N.

When the controller interrupts the current to the motor, the motor coils discharge their current through the coil N of the LC resonator and charge up capacitor L to a high voltage.  A short time later the controller disconnects motor's coils leaving the capacitor charged.  A short time after that the controller connects the capacitor to the coil M and there is an LC resonant ring down.  Coil M couples to the secondary coil N which amplifies the AC voltage across coil M.  The ends of coil N connect to the plates P resulting in a very high voltage alternating potential across the plates.  This very high voltage across the plates P produces ozone as the air starts to conduct current.  This will drain energy out of the LC resonator.  A fan is connected to the motor to blow air through the enclosed trough.

What you dont see is the very efficient charging inductor on the motor (F and D) . When the switch interupter close, the motor coil and core charge the energy on the input and held momentarily, discharge (charge) it to the capacitor L when the switch interuptor OPEN. What we need to focus is that big INDUCTOR (charging circuit) on before the L and C. As per Tesla say when he does this he is charging the system twice the energy in a very efficient and little energy input on the L and C.

Remember its the big INDUCTOR on before the L and C.

Meow


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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #282 on: November 10, 2017, 06:08:11 PM »
Havnt had much time lately.

Thanks Nelson for the book.  ;)

What up kitty?  ;D been a while.

Im getting some things setup for the speaker thread to show some things soon.  The ported enclosures, think about the air in the box as the capacitor and the port as the inductor. The speaker makes pressure(like voltage potential) in the box, and the port, with its length and volume of air as the inductor. The port is a low pass filter like and inductor.  ;) So with this we can emulate and compare it to an LC circuit. ;D

Mags


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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #283 on: November 10, 2017, 07:47:16 PM »
What you dont see is the very efficient charging inductor on the motor (F and D) . When the switch interupter close, the motor coil and core charge the energy on the input and held momentarily, discharge (charge) it to the capacitor L when the switch interuptor OPEN. What we need to focus is that big INDUCTOR (charging circuit) on before the L and C. As per Tesla say when he does this he is charging the system twice the energy in a very efficient and little energy input on the L and C.

Remember its the big INDUCTOR on before the L and C.

Well I actually see things very clearly.  Without defining efficiency it's a meaningless term.  What needs to be focused on is the entire circuit and how it operates and how power and energy flows through the circuit.  There is no "twice the energy" anywhere in this circuit.  That's a classic line that you see all the time, "my circuit recycles energy that is otherwise wasted" or "my circuit uses the same energy twice."  Those are meaningless statements.

As I previously indicated, this simple circuit could be completely and unambiguously understood by building it and probing it with an oscilloscope and then constructing a full timing diagram that includes all scoped current and voltage waveforms and waveforms for things like power and energy that are derived by the experimenter using his or her intellect.

It may have been something that was patentable in the late 19th century.  However, by today's standards and for the past 70 years, this circuit is no more than a grade seven science project.  It's very easy to imagine a 12-year-old in 1952 that was a serious electronics hobbyist and was lucky enough to have access to an oscilloscope demonstrating this circuit at an elementary school school science fair and explaining it perfectly to the visiting parents.


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Re: The Old Standard Ignition System. Battery. Coil. Points. And Condenser....
« Reply #284 on: November 11, 2017, 07:04:42 AM »
Well I actually see things very clearly.  Without defining efficiency it's a meaningless term.  What needs to be focused on is the entire circuit and how it operates and how power and energy flows through the circuit.  There is no "twice the energy" anywhere in this circuit.  That's a classic line that you see all the time, "my circuit recycles energy that is otherwise wasted" or "my circuit uses the same energy twice."  Those are meaningless statements.

As I previously indicated, this simple circuit could be completely and unambiguously understood by building it and probing it with an oscilloscope and then constructing a full timing diagram that includes all scoped current and voltage waveforms and waveforms for things like power and energy that are derived by the experimenter using his or her intellect.

It may have been something that was patentable in the late 19th century.  However, by today's standards and for the past 70 years, this circuit is no more than a grade seven science project.  It's very easy to imagine a 12-year-old in 1952 that was a serious electronics hobbyist and was lucky enough to have access to an oscilloscope demonstrating this circuit at an elementary school school science fair and explaining it perfectly to the visiting parents.

"Well I actually see things very clearly.  Without defining efficiency it's a meaningless term.  What needs to be focused on is the entire circuit and how it operates and how power and energy flows through the circuit.  There is no "twice the energy" anywhere in this circuit.  That's a classic line that you see all the time, "my circuit recycles energy that is otherwise wasted" or "my circuit uses the same energy twice."  Those are meaningless statements"


Well if it were like debunkifieds latest series of vids ::) , all the circuitry and what ever in a box and just 4 wires coming out, input and output, and we couldnt see in the box, but we could measure the input and output, then could we not measure the efficiency of the In/Out?  Lets go another step forward, to be more transparent. So we encapsulate the circuit in a block of cured surfboard resin and 4 wires, power in and power out. Now we know we cannot get to the circuit other than by way of these 4 wires, but we can clearly see inside and see that there is no batteries, etc.  Could we not then measure the efficiency of the in and out and produce qualified results from just those 4 wires?

The difference between the conventional spark circuit, using a correct spark coil, a correct cap and the relay was the closest I could get to points, and the Tesla Igniter version, in efficiency comparison, using the same switching times, is so far off it isnt even funny..  With the conventional circuit, the spark primary is placed across the battery for X amount of time when the switch closes, and in the Igniter circuit the large inductor in series with the primary is also put across the battery for the same X amount of time when the switch closes.  So if during X amount of time, the conventional primary, what, 5.5mh, 1ohm plus the 1ohm ballast for 2ohms, and then the Igniter with the large coil, .9H 46ohm IN SERIES with the 5.5mh 1ohm primary, which one will pull more current from the battery over X amount of time? 12V battery. Which circuit will kill the battery first, no matter what X is?  Well just in your head, for max current over X amount of time, 6A for the conventional and .25A for the igniter..  Not a nice way to think about it?  Well over X amount of time, the .9h coil will take a lot longer to even reach max current than the 5.5mh primary, so the conventional is killing that battery quite a bit faster than the Igniter circuit, and basically no matter what X is.  If there wasnt even a time lag for each example to reach max current, the conventional would be pulling 72w during X time and the Igniter would only pull 3w over X time.  This is just simple figuring.

So really now would be the time to measure the output to see how the 2 would compare. After my scope freaked in my one vid scoping the primary, I went with 2 10kohm resistors in series across the primary and put the scope across just 1 resistor. The voltages were still higher readings for the igniter circuit than the scope directly across the primary in the conventional circuit. All just to say, Im not putting my scope leads anywhere near the sec output terminal. :o ;D

But, I bet that igniter circuit would run a motor. And if it can, then we have greatly reduced the input using the igniter over the conventional circuit. I mean if you want to go into the measurements of the inputs in a more detailed and statistical manner, I dont think you will get much of an evening out of the power in between the 2 compared to what Ive just described and threw together with a calculator. Just cant see it. Going by the resistances alone, it plays a big factor in power within the X time period, let alone the longer delay of the Igniter circuit to even reach max current over X time!!


"my circuit recycles energy that is otherwise wasted?" Well yeah if the circuit did not have the cap, there would be 1 spark.  And a weak spark at that. Wont jump 1cm like with the cap, in which I can get with the igniter just the same. We need that spark period to last more than 1 pip. We need to ensure the burn. And the cap in the conventional circuit gives us that. And the igniter can pull it off also at a small fraction of the input.


"my circuit uses the same energy twice?"  Well we can see the primary oscillation first few peaks are cut shorter than they would normally be when the sec sparks, again and again and again till the spark does not happen any longer, and then the ring down continues smoothly without cutoff peaks. So if there were no cap, this repeated spark would not occur, and nowhere near as strong, as shown in the vids. So we get a first good spark during the rise of the oscillation and the next spark during the neg throw of the oscillation, and then another with the next positive rise, until the spark just cant happen again until the circuit charges up the cap again via switchings. Otherwise we get 1 pip, and it may not be enough to burn all the fuel, let alone ignite the mix regularly or maybe not even at all depending on circumstances.


I know. You dont see the oscillations as possible causes for more than 1 spark. Well My pics and vids show that there are individual arcs. Not some long lasting DC discharge that would snake around instead of showing off the multiple bright arc contact points on the spark plugs electrodes for the individual arcs themselves that we can see.



"As I previously indicated, this simple circuit could be completely and unambiguously understood by building it and probing it with an oscilloscope and then constructing a full timing diagram that includes all scoped current and voltage waveforms and waveforms for things like power and energy that are derived by the experimenter using his or her intellect."

Well get to it then. Show us what you want to show us.


"It may have been something that was patentable in the late 19th century.  However, by today's standards and for the past 70 years, this circuit is no more than a grade seven science project.  It's very easy to imagine a 12-year-old in 1952 that was a serious electronics hobbyist and was lucky enough to have access to an oscilloscope demonstrating this circuit at an elementary school school science fair and explaining it perfectly to the visiting parents."

I loved science classes. We never got into this particular stuff ever. Not even in in vo-tech classes for electronics the last 3 years of high school, or even during my time at Electronic Institute of Pittsburgh.  Not even 1 guy I have talked to about this in all of the mech shops I deal with knows much about any of what is actually happening here.
Well its very easy for me to imagine Tesla putting that 12yr old in his place on this subject.  Explaining it perfectly to the visiting parents? ??? How many pages since page 2 have you gotten it wrong?  That 12 yr old your talking about is kicking your ass. lol.  Come on dude. Takes a lot of balls to come up with a statement like that after reading the thread up until that last post. Dont ya think? ???

Anyway.....

Mags
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