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Author Topic: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???  (Read 1551 times)

Offline Fysikk

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Hi From Fysikk :

I need some one to test this powercell setup :

Magnesium Metal (Anode)
Acrylic Paint (Catode) (Color does not matter)

Measure with multimeter and let me know the voltage !!

Early last year i discovered that iron or aluminium + acrylic paint
makes max 0.800 mV !!

Since then i have been testing different combinations and always included acrylic
paint without being able to increase the voltage beyound 0.800 mV !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2017, 06:35:07 PM »
Do you mean 0.8 mV or 0.8 Volts ?

0.8 MilliVolts is just 800 MicoVolts, so that could also be measurement errors....

Try Magnesium as the first electrode qand the 2nd electrode with the electrode made out of Coconut Husk Shells active carbon mixed with Acrylic paint...
That will give great Voltage and current....
Use MgCl mixed with MgSO4 or
just Na2So4 as electrolyte and use a good seperator cloth...

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 11:46:56 AM »
Hi

Latest experiments :

Copper (Catode)
Magnesium powder (dielectric) + water
Aluminium (Anode)

Copper (Catode)
Zinc powder (dielectric) + water
Aluminium (Anode)

Dielectrics Tested :

Magnesium = 1.0 Volt (Dielectric Constant 9)
Zinc = 0.565 Volt (Dielectric Constant 3)

The Secret !! :

I have found out that to increase voltage i have
to mix a better dielectric with water and put it
between copper and aluminium.

I have attached - Dielectric Table !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 12:16:52 PM »
Do you mean 0.8 mV or 0.8 Volts ?

0.8 MilliVolts is just 800 MicoVolts, so that could also be measurement errors....

Try Magnesium as the first electrode qand the 2nd electrode with the electrode made out of Coconut Husk Shells active carbon mixed with Acrylic paint...
That will give great Voltage and current....
Use MgCl mixed with MgSO4 or
just Na2So4 as electrolyte and use a good seperator cloth...

Regards, Stefan.

Hi the correct measurement is 0.8 Volt !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold


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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 11:13:45 PM »
@ Stefan,
thanks for the information.

@ Kai,
special thanks for this Dielectric chart gives us a guiding tool for selecting the best suitable material.
Great help indeed to avoid and save mass trial en error work.

Greetings, Alex

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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 11:13:45 PM »
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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 02:32:52 AM »
I went to a radioshack when they were closing.. I had to dig in boxes to look through stuff..  They had a fill a bag for $25 sale.. My bag was overflowing. Probably over $1000 worth of stuff for 25.

I got 10 of these add water emergency lights. I used a few during the hurricane at my apt. Suppose to only last 72hrs. I have 2 that are still going at my apt. Not as bright as they were then but for 3 white leds in parallel, no current resistors, these little, very light weight batteries are better than anything Ive seen, Still going a month later.

I dont have time to try what your asking till the weekend. But I can take one apart for the magnesium and try.  Have 6 more new.

Here are pics and one that I disassembled after long use..  Maybe these are still available on ebay or something...

mags


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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 06:04:49 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 06:09:44 AM »
Actually this was a better search result.  Just in case someone already looked at the previous link.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=eton+emergency+light&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xeton+emergency+light+red+cross.TRS0&_nkw=eton+emergency+light+red+cross&_sacat=0

For experiments and magnesium source for these projects. Can probably cut the magnesium into strips for different experiment configurations.


Mags

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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 06:20:13 AM »
I suspect that the fiber layers hold some sort of dry form electrolyte that the water wets. Dont know if that would affect these experiments if some happens to be on the magnesium panel before wetting.

But this on its own must be over 3v to fire the white leds directly. Looks like the copper and possibly the magnesium are a fuel here and get corroded along the way.

I took this one apart a couple weeks ago to see whats inside. One that didnt last long. Look like hand folded and very inconsistent from one to another in how long they last. Want to save it and see if I clean the copper surface and do what I can to see if I can make it work again. Thats my mind goin. Never stop thinking about things. Simple quick experiment to learn something new.

Mags

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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 01:10:26 PM »
Hi Magluvin

Let me hear when you have tested magnesium + acrylic Paint !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 01:41:13 PM »
Hi Magluvin

Let me hear when you have tested magnesium + acrylic Paint !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold

In your first post the magnesium is the anode and the acrylic is the cathode.  So shouldnt there be another plate on the acrylic to connect a wire to? 
Like magnesium/acrylic/plate ? If so what metal to use?  Or do we just touch a tiny portion of the acrylic with the meter? Wait till the paint is dry?

Mags


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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 03:25:38 PM »
Hi

You just cover a part of the magnesium metal with acrylic Paint to
and just use the multimeter sticks !!

Paint do not need to be dry !!

One of the sticks must only be in contact with paint (Make a thick spot of paint).

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold


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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2017, 05:00:14 AM »
Something to think about..

The meter lead tip may be acting like the different metal of the cell and the paint is the electrolyte.
Im thinking its not just a 2 part cell made of magnesium and paint. I think its the meter lead that is part of the battery you are seeing voltage from.

Put a piece of alum foil on the paint without the foil touching the magnesium directly.  Maybe soak a paper towel in paint and make a cell  Try copper. etc.  we cant exclude the meter lead as part of the cell.

Mags

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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2017, 01:57:59 PM »
Something to think about..

The meter lead tip may be acting like the different metal of the cell and the paint is the electrolyte.
Im thinking its not just a 2 part cell made of magnesium and paint. I think its the meter lead that is part of the battery you are seeing voltage from.

Put a piece of alum foil on the paint without the foil touching the magnesium directly.  Maybe soak a paper towel in paint and make a cell  Try copper. etc.  we cant exclude the meter lead as part of the cell.

Mags

Hi here is the copper test !!

Intial voltage 0.445 volt and drained quickly to 0.353 Volt !!

Sincerly - Kai Anders Wold


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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2017, 05:32:41 AM »
All batteries have 2 dissimilar electrodes. I believe your meter lead is one of them. I suggest using a plate of whatever your meter lead is coated with or made of if not coated, if your goal is to still only get .8v. Id bet that if you soak a paper towel in lemon juice and put the copper plate back on your voltage would be higher than with the meter lead.

Why the paint as an electrolyte? Have you done long term testing to see if it is better than other electrolytes? If so what did you conclude?

So far you have shown 2 different dissimilar metals with the magnesium and both are below 1v. Most try to achieve as high a voltage as possible in combination with longest power output as a goal.  If just touching the meter lead to the paint to get .8v, there probably isnt much current available as the larger the plates the more current available. Open a car battery. Carefully after flushed out with water and look at how much surface area there is in plates. The copper plate may have had less voltage than the meter lead, but id bet it has more current availability than the meter lead at a higher voltage.

Your meter lead is part of the battery the meter is reading. There has to be some type of metal conductor to extract the power from the cell. if your meter lead were made of magnesium there should be no voltage because there are no dissimilar metals separated by the electrolyte. The copper and magnesium with the lemon juice paper towel should get you better results. Try a weak solution of lemon in water first and compare to pure lemon juice. Or salt water. Alumn and water. I think these will out perform the paint.
Id do it all in smaller pieces of the magnesium foil it looks like you have. Some electrolyte testing could damage the surface and it would be a waste to ruin it all on 1 test when smaller test pieces can be used for testing.
Mags

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Re: Can someone test magnesium metal + acrylic paint as powercell ???
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