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Title: VIKTOR S. GREBENNIKOV type bees/flying beetles in the UK
Post by: Sputnik-1 on September 10, 2017, 07:47:46 PM
Hi all,

This is a true story of when I was about 12 years old. I'm 62 now so we are talking round about 1965-68.

As a lad we used to live on the 9th floor of a 14 storey high-rise block and I remember we had the balcony door and window open, and there was what I thought 30+ swarm of large brown bees outside nine stories up, but having looked online they might have been Giant Flying Cockchaffer Beetles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di087z3QtLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di087z3QtLE)

I'm sure they had wing cases on them and did not have traditional bee colours, but were more of a brown colour.

I was quite interested as they seemed too big to fly with their wings, and they seemed to be hovering more than flying.

Some of them came into our flat on the 9th floor and died, and I was able to collect a few of them.

Just out of curiosity and having my own microscope I took some of the wings and put them under the microscope to look at the structure of their wings.

The wings seemed to hover and repel each other like magnets, so I went and told my dad and he just laughed and said there was something wrong with me. So that was the end of that.

The reason I'm saying this is because it really did happen and I think this phenomenon of flying insects with anti-gravity properties is also true.

After reading about VIKTOR S GREBENNIKOV and his flying platform:

http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn/grebenn.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn/grebenn.htm)

and

http://www.keelynet.com/docs/an-anti-gravity-platform-of-v-s-grebennikov.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91463-Anti-Gravity-From-A-Bug-s-Wing-More-Than-Just-Possible.

I wanted to post this experience of mine, hoping that somebody else can find out what species of flying insects they were here in the UK.

I did wonder if these insects were the Common carder bee 'Bombus pascuorum', but I'm sure they had wing cases like the flying chaffer beetles.

I hope this helps somebody with their research into this phenomenon.

Sputnik-1
Title: Re: VIKTOR S. GREBENNIKOV type bees/flying beetles in the UK
Post by: antijon on September 10, 2017, 08:45:08 PM
https://youtu.be/SugKiMQeYfI
Beetles use leading edge vortices just like other insects. Honestly, if you had two wings each the length of your body, and you had enough power to flap them ~100 cycles per second, you could fly pretty well too.
Title: Re: VIKTOR S. GREBENNIKOV type bees/flying beetles in the UK
Post by: Sputnik-1 on September 10, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
Thank you for your reply antijon,

That's not exactly the point I was trying to make.

I was just pointing out that I had noticed some sort of repulsion effect similar to Viktor's when I placed these beetle or
bee wings under the microscope, just like Viktor did.

HTH

Sputnik-1
Title: Re: VIKTOR S. GREBENNIKOV type bees/flying beetles in the UK
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on September 10, 2017, 10:23:59 PM
this maybe just electrostatic stuff, insect parts, wings are very sensitive to electrostatic effects.
HOWEVER if nanotech can give gravity control(no such effects found yet) then yes bacasue insects are great nano technologists...
Title: Re: VIKTOR S. GREBENNIKOV type bees/flying beetles in the UK
Post by: Sputnik-1 on September 10, 2017, 10:48:08 PM
Thanks for your reply PolaczekCebulaczek,

That's a very plausible explanation for the repulsion between the insect wings.

Reading more about Viktor's platform I think it was actually the wing cases he used on his flying platform.

In the video above of the Chaffer beetle flying, would it not be possible for the outstretched wing cases to provide a similar CSE to help it fly?

Sputnik-1
Title: Re: VIKTOR S. GREBENNIKOV type bees/flying beetles in the UK
Post by: Low-Q on September 11, 2017, 08:12:14 AM
The wings might repel eachother, and other material in close vicinity due to static charge, but as antigravity effect, I do not believe so. Gravity is universial and do its work on any possible body or object with mass.
These beetles do have its lift due to its wings. If you look at slow motion videos of such wings on beetles or other "too heavy to fly" insects, you will be amazed how efficient these wings and position during its motions are.
There are no possible way this electric charge of the wings can repel the ground 9 stories down. Under your microscope, the wings might be a few mm apart. Say it is 2mm. at 4mm the repulsion is 1/4. At 9 stories, at 3 meters each, they are 27 meters off ground with a repulsion force of maximum 1/182 250 000th of the repulsion compared to 2mm apart. They would rather shoot away from the building itself if the anti gravity force was the reason why they can keep themself in the air and fly.


When I was a little boy, we had large beetles, measuring 4-5cm (approx 2 inch) by 2-2.5cm (1 inch) in our lawn due to the crops of rapeceed nearby. When they took off, they first climbed a bit before they took off like an old single radial engined Antonov passenger airplane. A perfect hunting ground for our cat, by the way  :D


Vidar
Title: Re: VIKTOR S. GREBENNIKOV type bees/flying beetles in the UK
Post by: Sputnik-1 on September 11, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Hi Low-Q,

Thanks for sharing that story.

I still have an open mind on this and am going to look into this further when I have the time.

I might even contact a pest control company here in the UK and ask them to save some dead Chaffer beetles for me to experiment on.

Sputnik-1