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Title: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 04:42:51 AM
i use 12 volt dc batterie and using 20 amps
i get 12 volt dc 1.2 MEGA amps
yes that is 60.000 times overuntiy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWgqXELwetI&feature=youtu.be

 8) 8)



download template https://www.free-energy-revolution.nl/app/download/10056456119/1.2Ma.ms14?t=1502676104

download software http://www.ni.com/gate/gb/GB_ACADEMICEVALMULTISIM/US
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 04:51:54 AM
if i can help you with anything pleace contact me at pleiadianrecords2@gmail.com
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 06:42:50 AM
now combining 2 circuits 32 volts 3.2 MEGA amps from 2 times 48 volt dc 400 mAmps each

i hope you get my point... :o

download file: https://www.free-energy-revolution.nl/app/download/10056841919/1.2+multitest2.ms14?t=1502685595
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: anomdeguerre on August 14, 2017, 08:05:05 AM
Thanks for posting this. I tried explaining to poynt99 and a few others that considered themselves to 'run in erudite circles' about the fallibilty of simulation software years back. This is a great example, as I'm sure you'll discover if/when you build it in the real world.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 08:08:00 AM
i'v3e started out building now i'm hooked 2 the sim way faster to test and i don't blow up anything ;)
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: anomdeguerre on August 14, 2017, 09:38:33 AM
Excellent. I'll check back to see what happens.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 09:46:13 AM
 ;)

last new design there are multiple ways i'll show you a few


4 transformers 2 times 12 volt dc nano and micro amps lol..creating 93 volts 3.6 MEGA amps

download file: https://www.free-energy-revolution.nl/app/download/10057182819/12volt+uamps+to+93+volts+3.6+mega+amps.ms14?t=1502696502

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 09:51:33 AM
i already had tera amps but i forgot to safe it :(
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: cheors on August 14, 2017, 10:09:50 AM
Your AMP meters (XMM5 and XMM11) shunt the 12V battery => 1.2 Mega Amp.
 Too bad !
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 10:24:06 AM
everything that comes out of the batterie goes trough an amp meter
a shunt is a risistor in an ampmeter with lots of ohm

don't realy know what you talking about :-X
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 10:31:26 AM
and if there was a shortcut in the design the program will crash just like in real
and will give you an error
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: cheors on August 14, 2017, 10:44:41 AM
Look at the Ammeter properties:
In Multisim the default Ammmeter internal resistance is 10 Micro Ohms.
Sorry.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 11:18:57 AM
that's the buety of multisim
if it crashes it wil help you get rid of the problem sow it automaticly detects the shunbt resistance

just play with the program you might like it
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 12:04:15 PM
cheros thanks for testing and helping i like that

sow i made a configuration without an ampmeter and shunts sow you might dig thiz

download file: https://www.free-energy-revolution.nl/app/download/10057544519/233+kW.ms14?t=1502704809

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: citfta on August 14, 2017, 01:00:12 PM
Your wattmeter is reading the power being supplied by V2 as it discharges through the secondaries of the transformers.  In the real world the transformer would be burned to a crisp in a few seconds and the battery would also be discharged quickly until the transformers burned up.  The shunt in the wattmeter that measures the current is a dead short across the battery with only the secondaries of the transformers limiting the current.  The OU of your circuit is about a minus 100,000 or .000001.  The pulses applied to the primary side of the transformer is only slowing the process down a little but the end result is the same.  Burned out transformers and a dead V2 battery.  Picking the right frequency will actually speed up the process of destruction.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 01:07:34 PM
750 volt dc bias pulsing with 12 volts 1.9 MEGAWATS

first time trying with 750 volt dc bias no ampères on the secondairie from the 750 volt batterie, primairie is pulsing with 12 volts
creating 1.9  MEGAWATTS

 8) 8) ::) :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L67lFWEUQMQ&feature=youtu.be

donwload file: https://www.free-energy-revolution.nl/app/download/10057611519/750+volt+dc+bias+pulsing+with+12+volt.ms14?t=1502708622
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 01:15:56 PM
please modify and upgrade and SHARE
i'm just playing with this program for a few days
think there should be smarter guys around here to perfect it

let's fight togheter 8) 8)
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: cheors on August 14, 2017, 01:30:24 PM
Again you have a shunt between upper T1 secondary output and T2 lower output
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 02:01:37 PM
Again you have a shunt between upper T1 secondary output and T2 lower output

yes i have 1 shunt it says 0 amps, when i disconnect t1 upper with t2 lower from the shunt
it stil show the watts

next time first try before wining :-\
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 02:08:50 PM
here my friend totaly without your shunt damn lol

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: TinselKoala on August 14, 2017, 03:27:33 PM
Congratulations! You've proved once again that Garbage IN results in Garbage OUT.

Your "wattmeter" is measuring two different branches of the "circuit" for its V and I values. This is like computing "miles per gallon" using the distance travelled by one car, and the amount of gas used by a different car on a completely different route.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 06:01:09 PM
Tinsel i know this setup was not in your schoolbooks, i messure everything right
and if your noot openminded and listen to what i have to say and learn from it then you should better leave this conversation
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: TinselKoala on August 14, 2017, 06:33:02 PM
Notice that the "power" indicated on your wattmeter is NEGATIVE. What do you think that means?

Do you know the difference between a Source and a Sink?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_sign_convention
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: cheors on August 14, 2017, 07:00:42 PM
I don't speak about the shunt inside the ammeter, I mean your secondaries are shorted, upper wire connected to lower one. That's  a "courtcircuit" in french in the text !
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
yes i know but if you had listen to me in the video i explain that i do that intentionaly

to create 2 north poles aka a buckfield in the centre of the coil sow plus comes in from the left plus comes in from the right
in the middle you have your plus and minus right in the buckfield where the most power is, why you think they call it a buckconverter

with that setup it's plus to plus sow i don't use any current 0 amps
i just use it as a magnetic bias at the same time i'm capturing the radiant spike from the collapsoing filed of the first winding
that commbined is pretty impressive

i would have liked more layers of windings in the sim but this is the best i can do for now

i combined the magnetic bias with the collector bias

if i would wind som right now it would look som like diz
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
i know this might sound weird to you but it works
even radiant energy flows from negative to positive  ;)
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 14, 2017, 08:15:15 PM
@Tinsel koala kut

pleace leave this conversation
ok you cought me on a mistake if you don't even have the brains to know that 2 wires are switched
i think you should better leave

damn it's like kindergarden here

@ admin is there a secure place where only serious members talk??

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 15, 2017, 12:17:23 AM
Your wattmeter is reading the power being supplied by V2 as it discharges through the secondaries of the transformers.

// bullshit thats what i said you don't know this setup how many time do i have to tell you the magnetic bias doesn't use amps




  In the real world the transformer would be burned to a crisp in a few seconds and the battery would also be discharged quickly until the transformers burned up.

// again bullsghit that's why we have a pulsing circuit disconnected from the capturing circuit and if possible disconnected from the magnetic bias

  The shunt in the wattmeter that measures the current is a dead short across the battery with only the secondaries of the transformers limiting the current. 

// what the fock you talking bout now??


 The OU of your circuit is about a minus 100,000 or .000001. 

// if you can't calculate voltage and amperage i think you should better be going back to school

 The pulses applied to the primary side of the transformer is only slowing the process down a little but the end result is the same.

//Dammit where did you study??? the pulsing of the primairie is to create a radiant spike witch can be collected by the secondairie


  Burned out transformers and a dead V2 battery.

// no we use micrometal cores and silveerplated copperwire with enough gauge, and again the v2 is there for a bias not to produce aMPS

  Picking the right frequency will actually speed up the process of destruction.

// no comment
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 15, 2017, 12:33:01 AM
1.4 GIGAWATTS 8)

combine 2 4 x 4 transformers to simulate the tom van keulen v9 coil
i create 2 magnetic biases and 1 radiant pulsing trigger and a collector bias

check it

donwload file for multisim 14.1: https://www.free-energy-revolution.nl/app/download/10058952119/1.4+GIGA+Watts+multisim+free+energy.ms14?t=1502749732



Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 15, 2017, 12:47:17 AM
3.1 :P

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 15, 2017, 02:23:08 AM
 8) 8)

noting 2 say about that

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 15, 2017, 04:40:54 AM
it's quit here i whish you would all download the software and experiment for yourself and SHARE

i know a few things but there is allot i need to learn to sow if we can do this 2 gether that'll be great

 :o
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 15, 2017, 04:47:27 AM
Ive seen megawatts and gigawatts on sim also. But it is not realistic and there are issues....

You do have the secondaries all connected in series then looped, shorted as someone said earlier.  I show this in yellow connections below. You are measuring amps through those windings only with no load except for the winding resistance. AH!  See?  the only way that you have megaamps or even giga amps is that you most likely dont have any resistance attributes instilled in your transformer windings.  Imagine the size and capability of a transformer that can handle mega or even giga amps. Its not something you can wind on a paper towel tube. ::)

So realistically your sim transformer is not set up properly, first off. You either need to apply resistance values to the windings or add series resistance to each winding to become plausible.

Also, you need to set up the circuit so it is easier to follow. Too much way back and forth all of which can be drawn in a much easier to follow circuit.

Mags

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 15, 2017, 04:56:19 AM
Also, that battery source at 250v dc. What is that connected to the sec for anyway. Just the positive of that source is connected to the sec, but thats it. The neg goes to Gnd and over to the left side of the circuit.

My guess is that from gnd, you can measure that 250vdc around the secondaries, but there is no gnd on the secondaries at all. So that voltage measurement is an illusion and has nothing to do with the currents in the secondaries.  If what you are doing to calculate watts is by combining the 250v and the unrealistic currents through the sec, then that is a huge issue.

Mags
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: TinselKoala on August 15, 2017, 05:01:52 AM
That's right Mags. As I pointed out earlier, it's not a valid measurement of power at all.

Maybe he'll show us his _real_ coils with 2 million turns per winding. I wonder what the DC resistance is of those coils.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 15, 2017, 06:01:27 AM
dc ressistance lol i say no more..

anybody else have a real question :-X
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: TinselKoala on August 15, 2017, 06:46:11 AM
dc ressistance lol i say no more..

anybody else have a real question :-X

Yes, DC resistance. You know, that phenomenon that resists current and dissipates power by heating up in proportion to that resistance and the square of that current. P = I2R. You don't think that's a real question, with a couple of 2 million turn windings?

What are you so afraid of? That your whole simulated house of cards will come tumbling down around your ears? Don't worry... it's only a simulation, just a bunch of equations with no connection to reality, and a whole lot of rounding errors and wrong "messurement" points. It won't hurt you.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 15, 2017, 08:02:25 AM
dc ressistance lol i say no more..

anybody else have a real question :-X

Yep, resistance....

Below are 2 pics of my Lasersaber EzSpin motor version. Each coil is 3200 turns of 42awg wire and each coil is about 625ohms and all 24 coils are in series which comes out to 15kohm total. This wire is literally as fine as my hair. Broke while winding a few coils.

We would need, oddly enough, 625 of these coils, in series to come out to 2mil turns. 390kohm.  And if it were all wound into one coil and it had more diameter instead of the length of my 625 little coils all in a row, there would be even more resistance than 390kohm as the larger diameter turns adds wire length to each turn that is larger in dia than my coils. My coils have a 1/8in air/plastic core.

If it were even 390kohm, along with the huge inductance, your input current may be very very tiny compared to what you show. Very simply, 4 primaries, 2mil turns each in series, and we just plug in the number 390kohm, then 390k times 4 = 1.56Mohm.  24v/1.56M=15.3microamps peak input.

So yeah. Resistance means a lot and you are not instilling that resistance in the attributes of the transformers. So you are way off with your numbers, sorry to say, but it is what it is.

Even if you use larger wire, the 2mil turns for each coil would be huge. Possibly refrigerator size. And the ohms of that coil at 2mil turns will not handle mega amps not giga amps. pretty much micro amps.

And that is just dealing with the primaries of the transformers. Even 50000 turns will not enable mega amps nor giga amps and will still be a huge coil. Wind a couple hundred turns of a wire 1 layer on a tube of your liking. Now figure out how many layers it takes to have 2mil turns or even 50k turns  lets say it were 300 turns per layer. It would take 6666 layers to make 2 mil turns, and 166 layers to get 50k turns. And your saying resistance plays no part here? ::)

Mags
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: citfta on August 15, 2017, 01:46:38 PM
It is quite obvious by now we are dealing with a very foolish person who refuses to listen to wise counsel.  Here is some advice about dealing with that kind of person.

  Prov 15:2 The tongue of the wise uses knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools pours out foolishness.

  Prov 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when you perceive not in him the lips of knowledge.


  Prov 29:9 If a wise man contends with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.


I really feel it is best to just let this fool believe his delusions.  Hopefully he will not lead too many others astray with his absurd ideas.  If we ignore him long enough he will go away like so many before him.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: tinman on August 15, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Shit weather for UFO watching  ::)
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 15, 2017, 06:06:18 PM


I really feel it is best to just let this fool believe his delusions.  Hopefully he will not lead too many others astray with his absurd ideas.


Id rather not. He very possibly believes he has it correct but doesnt see he is missing a few things along the way. Ive had times where I was elated over some of my experiments and some sims, but I found I was missing some things along the way also. I feel that he should now know that the resistance IS a big issue here and he will have to add that in to make it closer to real world not ideal attributes that that he hasnt thought to check into yet. I took a bit of time to show my motor coils as examples so others could imagine what a 2mil/50k transformer might entail and possibly look like. No matter what the circuit may do with real world parts, the transformers are a big nut in the whole deal. Once those are corrected, then the circuit can be examined sanely and work out the other issues to come to a solid conclusion.

I still have issues with the circuit itself. but first off the transformers are not practical no matter how big the wire is. Its a 40 to 1 ratio, so it could be set up as say 4000 to 100 turns and the results in the transformers could be more realistic, less ohms in the windings and have much greater current handling, but still work according to the original ratio. So Im kinda pointing the first big finger at the transformers. I dont think anyone in their right mind would try to wind 2mil/50k turns on a core.

So hopefully he gets it and can relax a bit and reflect and not get discouraged. The brave keep going forward and learn big lessons along the way. Those once they are understood become more ingrained through the experience.

mags
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 15, 2017, 09:36:21 PM
dammit have to read trough all that crap >:(

please leavee you just wanna make a nam for yourself

only thing i found interesting is that i didn't use a load but in the past i have with same results https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQLIJ2pw0o&list=PLX8m0IhNcDGG80hj9UbWdwFrm62NZ3Njm&index=62

2nd one is the resistance of the wires that's correct it's set to zero ohms right now cus i haven't build 1 to messure and test it
i'm just playing with a sim and share my findings, hope 1 day you'll do the same

already have a perpetuum mobile and overunity device

sow i'm not here for advice, i'm looking for hard working inventors that wanna get shit donne
sow please stop spamming MY TOPIC


Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: TinselKoala on August 15, 2017, 11:34:41 PM
You still haven't addressed the FACT that your simulation's "wattmeter" is "messuring" voltage in one branch and current in a different branch. This makes the reading INVALID nonsense, not an actual measurement of any kind of power at all.  I can do the same thing in a much simpler _real_ circuit on my bench. Will that mean I have overunity too?

So we have:
-No load
-several sets of 2 million turns of "zero resistance" wire
-nonsense wattmeter reading
-same thing posted in several threads
-responding to critics with abuse and scorn instead of appreciation and gratitude

If there was a jail for "simulator abuse" you should be in it.

Quote
already have a perpetuum mobile and overunity device

No, you don't. Unless you mean that your nonsense will go on forever, that is....

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 15, 2017, 11:53:27 PM
dude i asked you 3 times to leave MY topic alone

you show no interest of testing it yourself come with critic that's unusable you just wanna bring me down in a nice way
whell then you fucked with the wrong MARINE

i really don't apriciate you spamming my topic

sow i hope i'm clear

damn kindergarden
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 12:14:22 AM
as you can tell i have a short temper for noobs

there are alot of guys here who are interested and there are Always a few rotten apples

but to replay of som of the stupid questions

shunt, i specialy build it with no ampmeter cus you were not confinced just a wattmeter
wattmeter: yes it uses a voltage and amperage to calculate the watts,

and start treading me like a human, just because you have posted in allot of topics
doesn't mean shit to me, sow to me your hero status means zero status

end of my discusion with you, anybody else tried and tweak it?? 8)

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 12:16:14 AM
@ Mag

hi dude sorry for that

interesting questions that's som we have to try out i gues i'll study it and fill in the ohms and test it again

be safe my brother
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 12:25:53 AM
@ MAg thnx for the advice i tried to solve your problem the the 2 mil windings and came across som even better CHECK DIZ
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 12:26:59 AM
sow not thats 2000 wndings on the primairie and 5 on the secondairie, if you can give me som  ohm specs for that i can fill it in

thnx
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 12:35:39 AM
DO NOT TRY TO BUILD THIS DEVICE THIS IS JUST EDUCATIONAL INFORMATION

IF YOU GET HURT TRYING TO BUILD IT I CLAME NO RESPONSEBILLITY

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU CAN USE 538 gigawatts

just a warning guys
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: antijon on August 16, 2017, 01:23:09 AM
I think the only reason you continue to make these ridiculous circuits is because you're getting a laugh at people wasting their time replying to you, or you have a messiah complex and want everyone to praise you.

You keep adding things and making the circuit more convoluted, hoping that we won't complain that you're still making the same mistakes... it's not hard to make OU in a sim. And I mean a real OU circuit, one that doesn't have a ridiculous battery on the side to make a fake watt reading. I made an OU circuit on a sim., so get over yourself! It's ideal components, it doesn't mean anything!

Mags, TK, citfa, gotoluc, all prominent people on this forum, and you'd be better off listening to them instead of ignoring, insulting and threatening them.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 01:57:41 AM
thiz is what i think

your  all prominent people on this forum are all sow brainwashed by school and teachings
 that you lack the ability to think outside the box
if you see som that's wrong connected you start shouting without testing
com with som critic that qwould help us evolve instead of just saying

wrong messurement wattmeter doesn't shunt is the problem to much windings no ohms, yeah you tryed a vieuw already
i'm not impressed, next time show me your results trough a picture or som else to explainyourself and you urn my respect



i have a good job making music i don't need money or your simpathy
i'm risking my life here to come out and don't need som jackass to tell me what i should do

VERY SIMPLE IF YOU THINK IT'S BOGUS AND A WASTE OF TIME THEN WHY THE HELL TAKE THE TIME TO ANSWER

wouln'd life be easier to leave the topic alone to the big boys and stop wasting my time


Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 02:00:45 AM
to use a methaphore

you are trying to tell Jesus God doesn't exciste


as i told you before i already have proof of overunity 10 years ago

stay safe people
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 02:03:56 AM
would have  expected som like thiz

whow 2000 windings cool let me try with a few other setups
leyt me find out the ohms, think i know a better way to messure the watts
try this or that
thanks for your posts
thanks for taking your time to teach us


nothing
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 02:07:18 AM
i've contacted Multisim and asked if they can improve on the setting for the transformer

they say you have to start a topic here: https://forums.ni.com/t5/Multisim-and-Ultiboard-Idea/idb-p/multisimideas

and get allot of kudos

sow i'll create 1 and post it here, pleace all support thanks
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 02:22:04 AM
please gimmie som kudos, dispite you like me or believe me we will all benefit from this one

thanks

https://forums.ni.com/t5/Multisim-and-Ultiboard-Idea/Multisim-transformer-settings/idi-p/3676293
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 02:27:42 AM
anbd 4 tha records i advice everybody hwo is trying to get overunity start with a sim
i've blown up hunderds transistors arduino's raspberry's and other ic circuits
got many shocks and burnd myself a few times
thank god no avalange yet

keep up tha good work guys 8)
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 05:40:19 AM
AND PLEASE EVERYBODY DO NOT BUILD ONE AND TRY TO COMMERCIALIZE IT

YOU'LL BE DEAD IN A HARTBEAT

i've already done my time 6 years for telling the truth

don't wish that for any of you guys

be safe
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 06:33:58 AM
ok i'm on my last day with the demo, have to buy it now sow this is my last update

A NEW RECORD FINALLY  1 TERAWATTS 110 Mamps

sow now we have to downscale, Bob Boyce said it's difficult to get overunity below 12 volts
sow we need the dc bias, thats what he specificly said how importand the dc bias was
he even said you don't have to connect it to the minus

anyway stay safe my soldiers



Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 12:59:45 PM
about the whole wattmeter discusion i can be clear
an wattmeter has 4 terminals 2 for amps and 2 for voltage both plus and minus
all it does is calculate how much amps are going trough the wire and how much voltage is aplied
it multiplies that and show you the watts, there are no amps lost there neither does it create amps it's a meter

oeff
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: cheors on August 16, 2017, 02:34:17 PM
Your V2 source 1100 is shorted:
Follow this path:
V2+ > up > left > down > left > down > right > up > right > down > right > up (scope XSC1 input) > right > down > left > up > right > down > right > up  (V2 -)
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 16, 2017, 03:20:37 PM
reposted to the proper quote below

Mags
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 16, 2017, 03:24:03 PM
There are many issues to which he doesnt want to answer to.  Like the 2 dc sources, they are not being measured individually to see if those are where these large currents are coming from.  And if they are, i believe they are, these losses are not factored in.

Im tired of looking at it any further. Its like it was designed to be hard to follow. XMM1 for some odd reason is almost all the way to the left buried into the circuit but its leads go to measure things on the far right, for just 1 example. I cannot conceive why. I would have naturally put it close to where it is connected for the measurement, all just to make things easier for me, let alone for others to see and go over. Just because of the few major issues, Im not going to waste more time in it, like redrawing for ease of reading the circuit. I have a good enough eye for this that I already see these big problems. And TK has a better eye for it. I didnt see the problem with the source you pointed out. I lost interest after what has been pointed out already. Hopefully he figures it all out and stops badgering others for seeing what he didnt, and still doesnt.

It is what it is. Ive said my piece, and hopefully he figures out the issues and learns from it.

Mags

Lol, remove the sig gen and the transistor from the primary circuit and it probably still has these huge currents. So we can probably throw that portion of the circuit out. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 16, 2017, 05:25:49 PM
Your V2 source 1100 is shorted:
Follow this path:
V2+ > up > left > down > left > down > right > up > right > down > right > up (scope XSC1 input) > right > down > left > up > right > down > right > up  (V2 -)

There are many issues to which he doesnt want to answer to.  Like the 2 dc sources, they are not being measured individually to see if those are where these large currents are coming from.  And if they are, i believe they are, these losses are not factored in.

Im tired of looking at it any further. Its like it was designed to be hard to follow. XMM1 for some odd reason is almost all the way to the left buried into the circuit but its leads go to measure things on the far right, for just 1 example. I cannot conceive why. I would have naturally put it close to where it is connected for the measurement, all just to make things easier for me, let alone for others to see and go over. Just because of the few major issues, Im not going to waste more time in it, like redrawing for ease of reading the circuit. I have a good enough eye for this that I already see these big problems. And TK has a better eye for it. I didnt see the problem with the source you pointed out. I lost interest after what has been pointed out already. Hopefully he figures it all out and stops badgering others for seeing what he didnt, and still doesnt.

It is what it is. Ive said my piece, and hopefully he figures out the issues and learns from it.

Mags
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: TinselKoala on August 16, 2017, 05:35:34 PM
Quote
about the whole wattmeter discusion i can be clear
an wattmeter has 4 terminals 2 for amps and 2 for voltage both plus and minus
all it does is calculate how much amps are going trough the wire and how much voltage is aplied
it multiplies that and show you the watts, there are no amps lost there neither does it create amps it's a meter

THE WIRE

The problem is that your "wattmeter" is not being used to measure voltage and current through the "same wire". You are NOT USING IT CORRECTLY. To have a valid power reading you must connect the V and I inputs of the wattmeter to THE SAME "WIRE" (that is, to the same circuit branch). You connect the V inputs in parallel with the voltage source to the "wire" (circuit branch) and the I inputs in series with the "wire" (circuit branch). THE SAME CIRCUIT BRANCH. All your simulation schematics have your Wattmeter's voltage input connected to one branch and the current input connected to A DIFFERENT BRANCH. So you have garbage in (values from different circuit branches) yielding garbage out (invalid "power" readings).
 
The simulator is pretty smart but it can only do what you are telling it to do, and if you are telling it to do something stupid or ignorant -- it will do it, and return the ridiculous (and invalid) results that you are seeing.

Furthermore, if you want to claim "OU" you have to compare INPUT POWER -- that is, the correctly measured TOTAL power that is put into your device -- with OUTPUT POWER, which is the power delivered to a load. You have no clear total input, and no clear load, in your simulation. In fact the huge "power" you are incorrectly measuring could just as well be considered INPUT since part of that "power" measurement comes from a SOURCE of power not a load. However as I have explained your wattmeter is not really giving you a POWER measurement at all, of any kind, since it is not measuring V and I in the same circuit branch.

Now go play in the street, or something.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 16, 2017, 07:22:57 PM
sow not thats 2000 wndings on the primairie and 5 on the secondairie, if you can give me som  ohm specs for that i can fill it in

thnx

The ohms would depend on the design. lets say you just put in 1ohm, which would be a far shot probably at even 2000 turns, but if you plug in 1ohm for the pri and .4ohm on the sec, you are going to see a drastic change from what you are seeing, even though the circuit is whacked out. Unless one of the sources is directly across an amp meter somehow in that mess. But I dont think thats possible as the supplies are not erroring due to infinite amps. Actually Im not sure why they are not erroring when you run the circuit, unless the inductances are varying as such with the input. Dunno. But if you plug in those numbers that are still unrelistic, but very low for your sake to give you a possible edge here, the difference will be an order of magnitude going from absolute 0ohms to some real world resistance numbers. 
,1ohm is an infinite distance away from 0ohms. We can whack that .1ohm in half forever and not reach 0ohms.  I remember Segan explained if you cut an apple pie in half, then cut 1 half into 1/4, then a 1/4 into 1/8 and keep going, it would take approximately 90 cuts to get down to 1 atom.  But 90 is just where he stops because the limit was to just get down to the size of 1 atom. So we could go infinitely smaller if we wanted to try and split the individual parts of the atom in 2, then 4, then 8 etc parts, if we could.

Mags
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: webby1 on August 16, 2017, 07:26:33 PM
oops,,


Sorry I found another anomaly within the forum. with another thread,,
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 16, 2017, 07:40:40 PM
lol. If ya think about the apple pie further, and cut each and every piece in half while your at it, how many total cuts would it take to reduce the whole pie down to just single atoms? The initial example gets rid of half of each cut and the next cut is just one of those halves.

If you were all the way down to the final cuts, all  final pairs of atoms, there would be as many cuts left to do as there is half of the total number of atoms in the whole pie.  Segans example holds a little trickery in the getting rid of 1 half of whats left of the pie after each cut for some shock and aw value. His example would have been better if he had also given the answer for my question with that. His example seems to make it seem like atoms are not that small in a way.

Now for the final thought on that...

Would it take more cuts to take the pie apart 1 atom at a time or to cut all the pie pieces in half along the way like I explained above?

Mags

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 16, 2017, 09:46:15 PM
a wise man once told do not teach a fool for he will hate you
teach a wise man and he will be your friend

 8)
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: citfta on August 16, 2017, 10:36:54 PM
That saying must be very true because everyone on this thread has tried to teach you but all you return is scorn and slander.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 17, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
yes citka you made it very clear to everybody that your the FOOL

i asked you 3 times to please leave the confersation
but you act like a herpes you still come back

what in hells name is your motivation for that other then spam MY TOPIC

what was the real last message that could help the people reading this

and please don't replay you've spammed enough for now
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: citfta on August 17, 2017, 02:33:22 PM
The last real message that would help anyone reading this thread was  my advice for them to ignore you.  It is very clear you don't have any idea how to design a circuit or how to use meters to measure what you have.  Take Mags advice and disconnect the signal generator and see what you get.  You'll see your circuit doesn't work like you keep insisting it does.  I will reply any time I feel like it.  You clearly don't understand electronics and you want everyone else to be as confused as you are.  Fortunately there are a lot of folks on this forum that can see your foolishness for what it really is.

I suspect you are really an agent of the oil companies trying to confuse and misdirect those who are actually looking for OU.  You silly tactics won't work here.  So you might as well take a hike.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 17, 2017, 09:28:09 PM
thank you guys helping me out and spreading the word

1tera times thanks, this wil be my last post

if you don't get it by now you'll never get

keep up tha good work and thanks for your time

 8)

goodbye, prob see you on another topic thinking bout a fuel  cell som got som info on that thankss
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 18, 2017, 01:22:32 AM
last pic for inspiration
 8) 8) ??? ::) :P
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 18, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
if you play with the windings the magic happens
with 74 % duty cycle it has a power factor of 1 sow we are going somwhere

you can even put a load on wait i'll show you later

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: cheors on August 18, 2017, 09:45:53 PM
Again

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 18, 2017, 10:10:33 PM
it's getting freaky here

 :P
creating
719855000000000000 watts

using
2832000000 watts



Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 18, 2017, 10:33:17 PM
at the scope you can clearly see the radiant energy spikes
just built it and test it on the sim :P 8)
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 19, 2017, 12:16:43 AM
here is a test with a load 12000000 volts 1000000000 watts

 8)

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 19, 2017, 02:14:33 AM
yes after alot of tweaking i got 4 MILLION TERRAWATTS from 3 12 volt batteries
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 19, 2017, 11:58:38 AM
and please guys don't be so stupid to build it play with the sim
untill we get the correct software we can determine how to build it

what gauge what wires what coil what shape

i've contacted multisim now waiting for a replay

it seems a simple setup but i can tell you with testing with just 1 batterie 12 volts i got many 10.000 volt shocks
stay with the sim for now and suprice me , i know there are alot of talented people just watching not posting
if you find som interesting i would like to know

thanks guys 8) 8)

Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 19, 2017, 01:12:40 PM
Dude its ridiculous.  Just some simple points

The first blue arrow to the bottom left. What is that loopy mess. Thats what you have almost all over the circuit

And the other blue arrow in the upper middle That wire. You go through an amp meter then through a volt meter. Nobody in their right mind would do that and stand by the results of in and out powers. Its all nuts. If you are using the numbers from those 2 meters to calculate your big numbers then it is all wrong. The volt meter will have a very high impedance/resistance, and in your case the sim may issue a no resistance for voltage measurements. So that (I) amp meter should probably read 0amps as no current flows through the voltmeter. it just doesnt if you know anything about the meters you say you have, they should be 10kohm and up into megohms throughput resistance depending on quality.

It is just getting sillier as it goes. Your modifications are seemingly just random doings and making the circuit even harder to follow. Nobody is going to build it. 20000 turns is going to be very high resistance and very low currents from the 12v. Your circuit is so banged out now that the only way there can be high currents is if you again neglect the resistance of the transformer windings, even if they are low numbers in turns (get out your meter and measure some transformers, big and small) and if you have windings shorted in the circuit.

If you have a transformer on sim without resistance, the current to the primary would rise at a speed that the inductance allows, forever. It will rise forever. Try it, Put a 1.5v dc source across the primary of a transformer in your sim and watch it go, all the way past trigga amps if you wish. Now put a 1.5v battery across any transformer winding you may have and watch it with an amp meter in series. You wont even see the rise in current it will happen so fast to where the resistance levels off the rise of current. It will not give you jiggi amps and quiggi watts, ever, in the real world with the turn numbers you are giving. Never ever. Cant happen jim bony. nope

Then take that same transformer, the one in sim and the real world transformer on your bench, now short out the sec for each. Your end constant current on the real transformer will be at the same current and the sim current will rise like a mother because shorting out the sec causes the pri inductance to go very low, but it will rise forever till the computer says, thats enough the numbers are too big.



If you are serious about this then you are truly lost in limbo on this, or  now you do know its all garbage and are just denying it to save face.  Suck it up kid. This aint it. ;) If you REALLY dont get it yet, then I have to think you are just trolling now. Anyone on this forum can out do you in electronics if you really believe in this circuit and your convoluted results.

mags
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: Magluvin on August 19, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
Ok I see the xmm2 is an amp meter but shows 2.4ma.  So the (I) meter next to it is the same reading, should be.  So weve gone from gigga amps to ma and now gigga volts instead of 1100v. Yer still in the nut house bud

Lol it is all soo messed up. never seen nothing like it.

Mags
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 19, 2017, 08:13:45 PM
Humans lie, meters don't
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 19, 2017, 09:05:33 PM
and i think this multisim software is state of the art at this moment
sow either you don't trust the software or you think i'm a complete idiot with has a wrong connectiong with the meters

whell to that last part tell me how cum the load the 900000 volts 850000 watts is lighting up from 3 times 12 volt

don't know your motive to replay other then spam, who's interested in you telleng me that there are some lose connections
you're doing excatly what your brothers are doing change the subject to something totally unimportant

standard nsa procedure

i've been on alot of forums and being attacked alot of times, i just don't find the energy to deal with these cunts anymore

please leave
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 19, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
please gimmie som kudoos guys sow they gonna start working on the new software thanks

https://forums.ni.com/t5/Multisim-and-Ultiboard-Idea/Multisim-transformer-settings/idi-p/3676293

 :P
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 19, 2017, 10:58:26 PM
and thank god for the mutisim, my ossiloscoop doesn't measure obove megavolts sow i alway saw it was outha range but i never knew how big the radiant spikes where gonna be

now we know  ;) without blowing up anything
wish i had this program 10 years ago would have saved me 12000 dollars investment
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: TinselKoala on August 19, 2017, 11:36:04 PM
and i think this multisim software is state of the art at this moment
sow either you don't trust the software or you think i'm a complete idiot with has a wrong connectiong with the meters

whell to that last part tell me how cum the load the 900000 volts 850000 watts is lighting up from 3 times 12 volt

don't know your motive to replay other then spam, who's interested in you telleng me that there are some lose connections
you're doing excatly what your brothers are doing change the subject to something totally unimportant

standard nsa procedure

i've been on alot of forums and being attacked alot of times, i just don't find the energy to deal with these cunts anymore

please leave

You have been told OVER AND OVER that YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR "WATTMETER" CONNECTED PROPERLY. It is NOT giving you a valid measurement because you are measuring Volts in one circuit branch and Amps in a different branch. And if you have an actual "load" it is not evident in your mishmash schematic. To have a proper power measurement from that wattmeter its V side must be connected ACROSS THE LOAD and the I side must be connected IN SERIES WITH THE SAME LOAD.

Furthermore you are not using realistic values (resistance, wire inductances, etc.) in your components.

Even furthermore, if you think that "Meters don't lie" , I'll tell you this much for free, again: If you lie to your meters, they will lie to you in return. They cannot compensate for your misuse of them.

You have a disrespectful attitude, you are insulting people who are trying to point out your naive mistakes, and you admittedly have piles and piles of blown components and you've wasted many dollars and lots of time. You've been "attacked" in lots of forums, you say? Why is that, I don't wonder? What is the common factor in all of this? I'll tell you... it is YOU.  You really need to settle down, study, and learn some basic electronics from those who have actually tried to help you. But you are so arrogant, insulting and "know it all" that nothing penetrates your ego defenses.

Go ahead and send your simulation to MultiSim engineers, and post their responses here. I'm sure they will be very amused by your antics. Will you then proceed to insult them as well? Of course you will, because that is who you are, you cannot avoid your own personality.

Why do you get this kind of response? It is because YOU ARE INSULTING, ARROGANT, PARANOID and... simply wrong.

Here's another ROFL for you.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: ARMCORTEX on August 20, 2017, 12:10:25 AM
He's a dick don't perpetuate this, ignore him and let him talk to himself.

Bad quality, bad engineer, bad hobbyist, bad everything...

Can't do good work if you can't see and admit mistakes.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 20, 2017, 12:16:34 AM
arm i have to admit i like your aditude, i'm from millitarie sow i like it rough straight in your face

but if you think you can help me instead of cursing download the sim correct my faults and let's see if we have overunity,
if not i can help you to get it or we can help each other instead of fighting
i'm a musisian and hobbies should be relax time not war time

peace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql9SU0uvL0s



Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 20, 2017, 12:38:27 AM
357 million terrawatts  thnx to ARM 8)

ARM thank you sow much, it was wrong connected i agree

NOW I GOT EVEN MORE

tweaked without the ampmeter sow no more wrong connections only the wattmeter check diz out 357 million terrawatts from 12 volt, the power factor on the watmeter went up to 0.17
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 20, 2017, 12:42:55 AM
thats one point taken care of your second point about the sloppie connections, dude i'm testing here don't expect a perfect blueprint

now 4 all of yall

how can we make such a coil, radiant supposed to be cold energy but with that much amps i think we gonna melt som down right??

anybody has expeerience with big coils windings ohms gauge etc??

thx and stay safe
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 20, 2017, 02:07:44 AM
wierd man after 90 messages not 1 of you have downloaded the sim and tried and SHARED anything

am i doing this all alone???

anyway



as a musician  for me finding resonanse is not that hard
remember the singer that could break a glass with his voice  aka vibrations??

if you tune the coils good we could have that effect
and i think this will blow your minds...
 :-X
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 20, 2017, 02:19:11 AM
think the tuning is right with 99450496229126992000000000000 watts

 :o

stay safe brothers
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 20, 2017, 02:37:13 AM
now where does all this energy come from??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNU3MLqyzPk

LT Col Thomas Bearden try to explain
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 20, 2017, 03:45:26 AM
now filling in the blanks tha might cost us 10 % energy from the idunno how manny watts

calculating the diameter length gauge type of wire how many windings and how many ohms here

http://production-solution.com/coil-calculator.htm
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: citfta on August 20, 2017, 10:14:37 PM
I am going to waste enough time to make one more post. I was using Multisim probably long before you ever heard of it.  You don't have a clue how to use it properly as has been pointed out by everyone on this thread.  Doesn't it strike you as odd that there is not even one person that agrees with your confused ideas about circuits?  You don't seem to think that is strange?  You are completely lost.  I tried to simulate your circuit using the proper way of connecting and measuring and I got nothing.  Now you can stop asking if anyone is willing to download Multisim and test your ideas.  I am pretty sure there are others here that have also used Multisim.

Please go back to your Lego blocks and leave the electronics to the grownups.
Title: Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
Post by: indigo22 on August 21, 2017, 12:01:32 AM
whell let's all celibrate the noob is leaving thank god

and thanks for the informative replay very usefull for everybody

lego hey i loved to play with technic lego

but if you a man that knows it all from the schoolbooks why don't you show me the propper way to connect it
and make a printscreen, hope you can find that on your pc, and then we can have a proper conversation without yelling at each other

but i  think you realy study this before spamming a millitarie topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJY8XqFnAyg&t=40s

 :P