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Author Topic: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou  (Read 7086 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2017, 03:20:37 PM »
reposted to the proper quote below

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« Last Edit: August 16, 2017, 05:25:17 PM by Magluvin »

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2017, 03:24:03 PM »
There are many issues to which he doesnt want to answer to.  Like the 2 dc sources, they are not being measured individually to see if those are where these large currents are coming from.  And if they are, i believe they are, these losses are not factored in.

Im tired of looking at it any further. Its like it was designed to be hard to follow. XMM1 for some odd reason is almost all the way to the left buried into the circuit but its leads go to measure things on the far right, for just 1 example. I cannot conceive why. I would have naturally put it close to where it is connected for the measurement, all just to make things easier for me, let alone for others to see and go over. Just because of the few major issues, Im not going to waste more time in it, like redrawing for ease of reading the circuit. I have a good enough eye for this that I already see these big problems. And TK has a better eye for it. I didnt see the problem with the source you pointed out. I lost interest after what has been pointed out already. Hopefully he figures it all out and stops badgering others for seeing what he didnt, and still doesnt.

It is what it is. Ive said my piece, and hopefully he figures out the issues and learns from it.

Mags

Lol, remove the sig gen and the transistor from the primary circuit and it probably still has these huge currents. So we can probably throw that portion of the circuit out. ;)

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2017, 05:25:49 PM »
Your V2 source 1100 is shorted:
Follow this path:
V2+ > up > left > down > left > down > right > up > right > down > right > up (scope XSC1 input) > right > down > left > up > right > down > right > up  (V2 -)

There are many issues to which he doesnt want to answer to.  Like the 2 dc sources, they are not being measured individually to see if those are where these large currents are coming from.  And if they are, i believe they are, these losses are not factored in.

Im tired of looking at it any further. Its like it was designed to be hard to follow. XMM1 for some odd reason is almost all the way to the left buried into the circuit but its leads go to measure things on the far right, for just 1 example. I cannot conceive why. I would have naturally put it close to where it is connected for the measurement, all just to make things easier for me, let alone for others to see and go over. Just because of the few major issues, Im not going to waste more time in it, like redrawing for ease of reading the circuit. I have a good enough eye for this that I already see these big problems. And TK has a better eye for it. I didnt see the problem with the source you pointed out. I lost interest after what has been pointed out already. Hopefully he figures it all out and stops badgering others for seeing what he didnt, and still doesnt.

It is what it is. Ive said my piece, and hopefully he figures out the issues and learns from it.

Mags

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2017, 05:35:34 PM »
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about the whole wattmeter discusion i can be clear
an wattmeter has 4 terminals 2 for amps and 2 for voltage both plus and minus
all it does is calculate how much amps are going trough the wire and how much voltage is aplied
it multiplies that and show you the watts, there are no amps lost there neither does it create amps it's a meter

THE WIRE

The problem is that your "wattmeter" is not being used to measure voltage and current through the "same wire". You are NOT USING IT CORRECTLY. To have a valid power reading you must connect the V and I inputs of the wattmeter to THE SAME "WIRE" (that is, to the same circuit branch). You connect the V inputs in parallel with the voltage source to the "wire" (circuit branch) and the I inputs in series with the "wire" (circuit branch). THE SAME CIRCUIT BRANCH. All your simulation schematics have your Wattmeter's voltage input connected to one branch and the current input connected to A DIFFERENT BRANCH. So you have garbage in (values from different circuit branches) yielding garbage out (invalid "power" readings).
 
The simulator is pretty smart but it can only do what you are telling it to do, and if you are telling it to do something stupid or ignorant -- it will do it, and return the ridiculous (and invalid) results that you are seeing.

Furthermore, if you want to claim "OU" you have to compare INPUT POWER -- that is, the correctly measured TOTAL power that is put into your device -- with OUTPUT POWER, which is the power delivered to a load. You have no clear total input, and no clear load, in your simulation. In fact the huge "power" you are incorrectly measuring could just as well be considered INPUT since part of that "power" measurement comes from a SOURCE of power not a load. However as I have explained your wattmeter is not really giving you a POWER measurement at all, of any kind, since it is not measuring V and I in the same circuit branch.

Now go play in the street, or something.


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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2017, 07:22:57 PM »
sow not thats 2000 wndings on the primairie and 5 on the secondairie, if you can give me som  ohm specs for that i can fill it in

thnx

The ohms would depend on the design. lets say you just put in 1ohm, which would be a far shot probably at even 2000 turns, but if you plug in 1ohm for the pri and .4ohm on the sec, you are going to see a drastic change from what you are seeing, even though the circuit is whacked out. Unless one of the sources is directly across an amp meter somehow in that mess. But I dont think thats possible as the supplies are not erroring due to infinite amps. Actually Im not sure why they are not erroring when you run the circuit, unless the inductances are varying as such with the input. Dunno. But if you plug in those numbers that are still unrelistic, but very low for your sake to give you a possible edge here, the difference will be an order of magnitude going from absolute 0ohms to some real world resistance numbers. 
,1ohm is an infinite distance away from 0ohms. We can whack that .1ohm in half forever and not reach 0ohms.  I remember Segan explained if you cut an apple pie in half, then cut 1 half into 1/4, then a 1/4 into 1/8 and keep going, it would take approximately 90 cuts to get down to 1 atom.  But 90 is just where he stops because the limit was to just get down to the size of 1 atom. So we could go infinitely smaller if we wanted to try and split the individual parts of the atom in 2, then 4, then 8 etc parts, if we could.

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2017, 07:22:57 PM »
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Offline webby1

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2017, 07:26:33 PM »
oops,,


Sorry I found another anomaly within the forum. with another thread,,

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2017, 07:40:40 PM »
lol. If ya think about the apple pie further, and cut each and every piece in half while your at it, how many total cuts would it take to reduce the whole pie down to just single atoms? The initial example gets rid of half of each cut and the next cut is just one of those halves.

If you were all the way down to the final cuts, all  final pairs of atoms, there would be as many cuts left to do as there is half of the total number of atoms in the whole pie.  Segans example holds a little trickery in the getting rid of 1 half of whats left of the pie after each cut for some shock and aw value. His example would have been better if he had also given the answer for my question with that. His example seems to make it seem like atoms are not that small in a way.

Now for the final thought on that...

Would it take more cuts to take the pie apart 1 atom at a time or to cut all the pie pieces in half along the way like I explained above?

Mags


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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2017, 07:40:40 PM »
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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2017, 09:46:15 PM »
a wise man once told do not teach a fool for he will hate you
teach a wise man and he will be your friend

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2017, 10:36:54 PM »
That saying must be very true because everyone on this thread has tried to teach you but all you return is scorn and slander.

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2017, 02:16:43 PM »
yes citka you made it very clear to everybody that your the FOOL

i asked you 3 times to please leave the confersation
but you act like a herpes you still come back

what in hells name is your motivation for that other then spam MY TOPIC

what was the real last message that could help the people reading this

and please don't replay you've spammed enough for now

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2017, 02:33:22 PM »
The last real message that would help anyone reading this thread was  my advice for them to ignore you.  It is very clear you don't have any idea how to design a circuit or how to use meters to measure what you have.  Take Mags advice and disconnect the signal generator and see what you get.  You'll see your circuit doesn't work like you keep insisting it does.  I will reply any time I feel like it.  You clearly don't understand electronics and you want everyone else to be as confused as you are.  Fortunately there are a lot of folks on this forum that can see your foolishness for what it really is.

I suspect you are really an agent of the oil companies trying to confuse and misdirect those who are actually looking for OU.  You silly tactics won't work here.  So you might as well take a hike.

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2017, 09:28:09 PM »
thank you guys helping me out and spreading the word

1tera times thanks, this wil be my last post

if you don't get it by now you'll never get

keep up tha good work and thanks for your time

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goodbye, prob see you on another topic thinking bout a fuel  cell som got som info on that thankss


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« Reply #72 on: August 18, 2017, 01:22:32 AM »
last pic for inspiration
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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #73 on: August 18, 2017, 08:41:02 PM »
if you play with the windings the magic happens
with 74 % duty cycle it has a power factor of 1 sow we are going somwhere

you can even put a load on wait i'll show you later



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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #74 on: August 18, 2017, 09:45:53 PM »
Again


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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
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