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Author Topic: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou  (Read 7088 times)

Offline indigo22

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2017, 02:23:08 AM »
 8) 8)

noting 2 say about that


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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2017, 04:40:54 AM »
it's quit here i whish you would all download the software and experiment for yourself and SHARE

i know a few things but there is allot i need to learn to sow if we can do this 2 gether that'll be great

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2017, 04:47:27 AM »
Ive seen megawatts and gigawatts on sim also. But it is not realistic and there are issues....

You do have the secondaries all connected in series then looped, shorted as someone said earlier.  I show this in yellow connections below. You are measuring amps through those windings only with no load except for the winding resistance. AH!  See?  the only way that you have megaamps or even giga amps is that you most likely dont have any resistance attributes instilled in your transformer windings.  Imagine the size and capability of a transformer that can handle mega or even giga amps. Its not something you can wind on a paper towel tube. ::)

So realistically your sim transformer is not set up properly, first off. You either need to apply resistance values to the windings or add series resistance to each winding to become plausible.

Also, you need to set up the circuit so it is easier to follow. Too much way back and forth all of which can be drawn in a much easier to follow circuit.

Mags


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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2017, 04:56:19 AM »
Also, that battery source at 250v dc. What is that connected to the sec for anyway. Just the positive of that source is connected to the sec, but thats it. The neg goes to Gnd and over to the left side of the circuit.

My guess is that from gnd, you can measure that 250vdc around the secondaries, but there is no gnd on the secondaries at all. So that voltage measurement is an illusion and has nothing to do with the currents in the secondaries.  If what you are doing to calculate watts is by combining the 250v and the unrealistic currents through the sec, then that is a huge issue.

Mags


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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2017, 05:01:52 AM »
That's right Mags. As I pointed out earlier, it's not a valid measurement of power at all.

Maybe he'll show us his _real_ coils with 2 million turns per winding. I wonder what the DC resistance is of those coils.

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2017, 06:01:27 AM »
dc ressistance lol i say no more..

anybody else have a real question :-X

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2017, 06:46:11 AM »
dc ressistance lol i say no more..

anybody else have a real question :-X

Yes, DC resistance. You know, that phenomenon that resists current and dissipates power by heating up in proportion to that resistance and the square of that current. P = I2R. You don't think that's a real question, with a couple of 2 million turn windings?

What are you so afraid of? That your whole simulated house of cards will come tumbling down around your ears? Don't worry... it's only a simulation, just a bunch of equations with no connection to reality, and a whole lot of rounding errors and wrong "messurement" points. It won't hurt you.

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2017, 08:02:25 AM »
dc ressistance lol i say no more..

anybody else have a real question :-X

Yep, resistance....

Below are 2 pics of my Lasersaber EzSpin motor version. Each coil is 3200 turns of 42awg wire and each coil is about 625ohms and all 24 coils are in series which comes out to 15kohm total. This wire is literally as fine as my hair. Broke while winding a few coils.

We would need, oddly enough, 625 of these coils, in series to come out to 2mil turns. 390kohm.  And if it were all wound into one coil and it had more diameter instead of the length of my 625 little coils all in a row, there would be even more resistance than 390kohm as the larger diameter turns adds wire length to each turn that is larger in dia than my coils. My coils have a 1/8in air/plastic core.

If it were even 390kohm, along with the huge inductance, your input current may be very very tiny compared to what you show. Very simply, 4 primaries, 2mil turns each in series, and we just plug in the number 390kohm, then 390k times 4 = 1.56Mohm.  24v/1.56M=15.3microamps peak input.

So yeah. Resistance means a lot and you are not instilling that resistance in the attributes of the transformers. So you are way off with your numbers, sorry to say, but it is what it is.

Even if you use larger wire, the 2mil turns for each coil would be huge. Possibly refrigerator size. And the ohms of that coil at 2mil turns will not handle mega amps not giga amps. pretty much micro amps.

And that is just dealing with the primaries of the transformers. Even 50000 turns will not enable mega amps nor giga amps and will still be a huge coil. Wind a couple hundred turns of a wire 1 layer on a tube of your liking. Now figure out how many layers it takes to have 2mil turns or even 50k turns  lets say it were 300 turns per layer. It would take 6666 layers to make 2 mil turns, and 166 layers to get 50k turns. And your saying resistance plays no part here? ::)

Mags

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2017, 01:46:38 PM »
It is quite obvious by now we are dealing with a very foolish person who refuses to listen to wise counsel.  Here is some advice about dealing with that kind of person.

  Prov 15:2 The tongue of the wise uses knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools pours out foolishness.

  Prov 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when you perceive not in him the lips of knowledge.


  Prov 29:9 If a wise man contends with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.


I really feel it is best to just let this fool believe his delusions.  Hopefully he will not lead too many others astray with his absurd ideas.  If we ignore him long enough he will go away like so many before him.

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2017, 04:00:16 PM »
Shit weather for UFO watching  ::)

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2017, 06:06:18 PM »


I really feel it is best to just let this fool believe his delusions.  Hopefully he will not lead too many others astray with his absurd ideas.


Id rather not. He very possibly believes he has it correct but doesnt see he is missing a few things along the way. Ive had times where I was elated over some of my experiments and some sims, but I found I was missing some things along the way also. I feel that he should now know that the resistance IS a big issue here and he will have to add that in to make it closer to real world not ideal attributes that that he hasnt thought to check into yet. I took a bit of time to show my motor coils as examples so others could imagine what a 2mil/50k transformer might entail and possibly look like. No matter what the circuit may do with real world parts, the transformers are a big nut in the whole deal. Once those are corrected, then the circuit can be examined sanely and work out the other issues to come to a solid conclusion.

I still have issues with the circuit itself. but first off the transformers are not practical no matter how big the wire is. Its a 40 to 1 ratio, so it could be set up as say 4000 to 100 turns and the results in the transformers could be more realistic, less ohms in the windings and have much greater current handling, but still work according to the original ratio. So Im kinda pointing the first big finger at the transformers. I dont think anyone in their right mind would try to wind 2mil/50k turns on a core.

So hopefully he gets it and can relax a bit and reflect and not get discouraged. The brave keep going forward and learn big lessons along the way. Those once they are understood become more ingrained through the experience.

mags

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2017, 09:36:21 PM »
dammit have to read trough all that crap >:(

please leavee you just wanna make a nam for yourself

only thing i found interesting is that i didn't use a load but in the past i have with same results https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQLIJ2pw0o&list=PLX8m0IhNcDGG80hj9UbWdwFrm62NZ3Njm&index=62

2nd one is the resistance of the wires that's correct it's set to zero ohms right now cus i haven't build 1 to messure and test it
i'm just playing with a sim and share my findings, hope 1 day you'll do the same

already have a perpetuum mobile and overunity device

sow i'm not here for advice, i'm looking for hard working inventors that wanna get shit donne
sow please stop spamming MY TOPIC




Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2017, 11:34:41 PM »
You still haven't addressed the FACT that your simulation's "wattmeter" is "messuring" voltage in one branch and current in a different branch. This makes the reading INVALID nonsense, not an actual measurement of any kind of power at all.  I can do the same thing in a much simpler _real_ circuit on my bench. Will that mean I have overunity too?

So we have:
-No load
-several sets of 2 million turns of "zero resistance" wire
-nonsense wattmeter reading
-same thing posted in several threads
-responding to critics with abuse and scorn instead of appreciation and gratitude

If there was a jail for "simulator abuse" you should be in it.

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already have a perpetuum mobile and overunity device

No, you don't. Unless you mean that your nonsense will go on forever, that is....


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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2017, 11:53:27 PM »
dude i asked you 3 times to leave MY topic alone

you show no interest of testing it yourself come with critic that's unusable you just wanna bring me down in a nice way
whell then you fucked with the wrong MARINE

i really don't apriciate you spamming my topic

sow i hope i'm clear

damn kindergarden


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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2017, 12:14:22 AM »
as you can tell i have a short temper for noobs

there are alot of guys here who are interested and there are Always a few rotten apples

but to replay of som of the stupid questions

shunt, i specialy build it with no ampmeter cus you were not confinced just a wattmeter
wattmeter: yes it uses a voltage and amperage to calculate the watts,

and start treading me like a human, just because you have posted in allot of topics
doesn't mean shit to me, sow to me your hero status means zero status

end of my discusion with you, anybody else tried and tweak it?? 8)


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Re: Multisim shows once again overunity with differant setup 60.000 times ou
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