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Author Topic: Rotating stator and rotating rotor  (Read 2301 times)

Offline webby1

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2017, 01:08:54 AM »
Maybe it was me missing things :)


would not be the first time,,,

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2017, 01:19:49 AM »
New page :)


By the way,, if you watch the video posted in the first post are they measuring the correct RPM of the motors?


this one
http://rotatingstator.com/index_eng.html


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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2017, 04:19:08 AM »
Webby, I think they fudged that test. How about you?

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2017, 10:54:15 AM »
GREAT WORK.


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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2017, 02:35:25 PM »
The patent claims to generate more 'electric power energy' than conventional fixed stator generators,
when using the same rotational driving force.
The question is this true? How much will the efficiency/electrical power increase? 
The only way to know is to build a simple test setup with a small DC motor to check that claim.
Who is first?
https://www.google.com/patents/US20060125243


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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2017, 02:35:25 PM »
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Offline antijon

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2017, 02:35:26 PM »
https://youtu.be/StZF8ponGXg

Here's a video of a counter rotating generator. Towards the end he says that the original motor required 350W and he's getting 710W output at 900RPM. As far as a generator goes, if it's designed for wind or water power, it would be more efficient. But that's only because you can generate more power in a smaller form factor. For a normal gas engine generator, the generator head would be smaller, but it would still require an engine large enough to handle the higher wattage. Notice that he's probably using two 3/4 or 1HP motors, but he would need at least 1HP total for a load of 710W.

As far as the motor design in the original video, I can't see how that could be more efficient than a normal motor.  ???

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2017, 03:10:43 PM »
Webby, I think they fudged that test. How about you?


I think something is wrong with that video.


Making more voltage at a lower RPM is a good thing for some applications,, wind for one,, but sometimes you need to ask yourself if the increase in complexity is worth it,, why not make more poles and coils pass per revolution???


Use a geared setup so that your input spins at 1\2 the RPM of the gen,, see if that does much other than increase the voltage of the output.

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2017, 03:10:43 PM »
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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2017, 04:44:29 PM »
add on this

New Motor .Counter rotating principle of magnets.Video with subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lznY_Q--R8

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2017, 09:46:56 PM »
add on this

New Motor .Counter rotating principle of magnets.Video with subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lznY_Q--R8


Nice, but the key to self-running is to rotate shaft

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2017, 11:32:46 PM »
add on this

New Motor .Counter rotating principle of magnets.Video with subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lznY_Q--R8

Interesting design!

The below videos better demonstrates his device operating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRqu47P0CEY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beSB-u8B5mk

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2017, 02:14:31 PM »
Interesting design!

The below videos better demonstrates his device operating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRqu47P0CEY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beSB-u8B5mk

Here is a Spanish patent on the above videos:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=ES&NR=2608468A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20170411&DB=&locale=en_EP#

I included below a machine translation of the Spanish patent text and claims to English.  If someone needs a translation to French or German, he can go to this link and choose it:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=ES&NR=2608468A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20170411&DB=&locale=en_EP#   

It is interesting the inventor in his video titles claims a 50% increase in efficiency for his counter rotating dual shaft prototype motor. 

Gyula

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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2017, 10:01:52 PM »

You cannot increase efficiency by rotating both stator and rotor. They both turn relative to eachother and the increased number of moving parts makes the motor less efficient. Not more efficient.


Vidar

hi i came across a motor where rotor and stator of motor rotates at same time ,where now the motor is more eff .
now there are motors in the market which are 99 % eff where only rotor are rotating , if we can rotate stator also ,we can have motors more than 100 %

Proof of concept
DC motor http://rotatingstator.com/index_eng.html

And for induction motor
Безопорный двигатель 1. Такого двигателя не видели.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBWKi5k1zCQ


some more info
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sle8xUWtNI
http://www.google.co.in/patents/US20060125243


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Re: Rotating stator and rotating rotor
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2017, 09:00:04 AM »
@ this OU forum we have to admit that Russians are very interested (and also very skilled) in building electromechanical devices.
The Quest for OverUnity is going fast in that country and also in it's former USSR satellite states. They have exellent engineers and
scientists using more and more YouTube as their publishing platform.   
I don't know Russian but Google does. This is one of the YT reactions at the contra rotating rotor and stator motor.

"If you are a physicist, RESPOND TO IT.
Experiments are what happens in practice.
I argue with physicists that the rotor has more power than the stator. The rotor and stator have the same torque moments, but the revolutions are different.
That's multiplying the speed at the moment of force and we get different power from the rotor and stator. Physicists on the forum are proving to me
hat there is no such thing in physics, the rotor and stator have different power. And I say to them that the rotor and stator have different power
if we consider the power formula F * s / t. I argue with the physicists at the forum, there is Newton's law, the smaller the rotor is relative to the stator,
the more will have speed. What is the difference in mass and radius of the rotor from the stator in so many will differ their speed. All physicists agree with this.
The moment of force of the rotor and stator is also the same according to Newton's law. Now we multiply the moment of force on the rotor and stator revolutions and see different power.
 Everything is still correct according to the laws of physics. Physicists do not like that the rotor and stator have different power.
Why. Yes, because there is Newton's third law, "The force of action is equal to the force of opposition." The question is asked, different capacities may have the same strength of action.
This is a serious topic. Physicists are in a deadlock situation and can not give me an answer. If physicists tell me that different powers have different strengths of action,
this means that Newton's third law is not correct."

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=DE&
NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&ND=5

" ! automatic translated german/english !" :
In the generator according to the invention, a portion of the electrical energy generated in a conventional generator is passed through an armature arranged in another stronger magnetic field. The armature, together with the magnet generating this stronger magnetic field, is mounted on the axis of the rotating armature of the generator so that the force exerted by this stronger field on this current and thus on this armature acts on the axis. The current through this stronger magnetic field is so dimensioned and flows in such a direction that the force generated by the field overcomes the back pressure exerted on the axis by the generator. In addition, the force provides the required angular momentum on the axle to keep the generator's armature running, thereby generating electrical energy. This current always flows through this magnetic field in the same direction. Since this field and the current rotate together with the axis, the field always exerts this force on the axis and keeps it running.

When this magnetic field is stronger than the magnetic field of the generator, a lower current in the former field produces a force equal to the force generated at a higher current in the latter field. The back pressure exerted on the generated current through the weaker field of the generator is overcome by letting a fraction of the generated current flow through this thicker field, and that when a little more current flows, the axis receives the required angular momentum the rotation is obtained. Thus, only a fraction of the generated current drives the generator to generate electrical energy. The stronger this second magnetic field can be compared with the generator field, the less is the fraction of the generated current required to actuate the generator. Thus, once the generator begins to generate current, a portion of this generated current, flowing in the stronger magne
tic field, keeps the generator running while generating power.

          now to the essentials :
       read it:with paper and pencil beside and mind integer
The electrical device is mounted on the rotor shaft of the conventional generator and rotates together with the shaft. There is therefore no relative movement between the field poles and the armature during the rotation.  As a result of the magnetic field of the electrical device, a current which is directed at one side flows through the conductor on the armature, as a result of which a force is exerted on the armature by its magnetic field and thus on the shaft which compensates for the counterforce exerted by the generator.

If, in a conventional generator, the field strength B, the length of its conductors is denoted by L, and the current flowing through I, the magnitude of the counterforce F exerted on the conductor, and thus on the shaft, is F = BLI.  If the field strength of the electrical device 2B is the length of its conductor L and only passes through a current whose intensity corresponds to half the current flowing in the generator, the force exerted on the armature is F '= 2B x L x 1 = LI.  2
This shows that the force applied to the armature of the electrical device and thus to the driving shaft is equal to the counterforce exerted on the shaft by the conventional generator. The force is generated to act in such a direction as to compensate for the opposing force. A slightly stronger current flow provides the required torque on the shaft.

Therefore, the shaft and thus the armature are moved further and electrical energy is generated.  In order to allow this half current to flow through the electrical device, half the generator voltage is required. Thus, 1/4 of the generated power is lost to counteract the retarding force. The remaining 3/4 of the generated energy and a little less of it are available for external consumption.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If the field strength of the electrical device is a multiple of the field strength of the generator, for example 5 times, it is necessary that 1/5 of the generated current flow in the electrical device to produce the compensating force. 1/5 of the generated voltage is required for the current flow. Thus 1/25 or 4% of the generated energy is consumed in the electrical device while 96% or slightly less is available for external consumption. In this way, it is not required that any electrical energy from an external source be introduced into the generator according to the invention for generating electrical energy.  ....................... "

this device is working in a pricinple of a capacitor,so
working  method as " selfcharging rotative capacitor"

Sincerely
             OCWL

p.s.: "If you are a physicist, RESPOND TO IT. .... "
        I am not professional physician
        I am animated physics in a human body,living and applying
        knowledge from elsewhere

http://www.tet.tu-harburg.de/downloads/et-pbl/Wikipedia%20-%20Synchronmaschine%20-%20Dezember%202011.pdf
Um nun ein Drehmoment zu erzeugen, muss in den Nuten, die genau unter den Magneten sind, ein Strom fließen. Nach dem Prinzip der   
                                  Lorentz-Kraft       
                    wird dann das Moment erzeugt

                                    e=mc²  e= Lorentzkraft

           https://www.google.pt/search?q=lorentz-transformation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=DlyuWaaRFpHY8ge6kYGYAQ

               new ton/tom/som ? A-tom/ton/som(e :) )
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4FtrKfZ0Lo

                        after KAOS to the KALM
             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg14HPuXLOU

motor-generator assemblies are/were used as frequency converter
for the radio broadcast,this is RF-technology
today small up to "MEMS-"level as thermal-noise/ionic=phonon and
photo-electric/ionic=photon
                    audio-/video- signal-frequency-band-gap

in memoriam : living equalizing vocoder with echo-hall :
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhq7fSrXn0c

capacitor: = condensator,Lord Kelvin "(bi)metallic spring"-Analogon

 

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