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Title: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: casiano on August 10, 2017, 05:16:51 PM
Hi guys.It seems that Clarence, member of Energetic Forum succeded in replication of the Barbosa and Leal device.He claim overunity so im tempted to build the device,but since im not a member of Energetic Forum i wanted to ask what the Overunity Forum think about this.
PS.
How come Clarence doesn't post here anymore?
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: ramset on August 10, 2017, 05:55:35 PM
I am sure most here who follow the forums are aware of Clarence recent results

Clarence is a man of integrity and I am certain he will Dot all the I's and cross all the T's to make sure his power is not coming from his local electric company.

the original issue has always been that in SWER systems it is possible to bypass a meter and use just one wire to power loads.
but this is still power supplied by the power company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return


here is the link to Clarence
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-54.html

what would be interesting is doing this off a battery array ?
could it still be "theft" from the mains?

TO BE CLEAR I AM NOT CALLING ANYBODY A THIEF, Clarence is a serious experimenter searching for answers to the Barbosa claim
this just needs to be verified ,and now that he has such strong results he should be able to sort it quickly [free or not free energy]

very interesting work regardless.

respectfully
Chet K

Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: casiano on August 10, 2017, 06:21:47 PM
How can it be THEFT with a closed circuit, with battery?
I have all the things needed for the replication,the only last thing im missing is a few copper rods and a 10 square meters of my wife flowers garden :(.The only difference is i will use a 48v inverter and battery bank,.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: ramset on August 10, 2017, 06:26:39 PM
if you have rods into the ground as part of the system??

??

fun to consider the possibilities and experiments ?

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: casiano on August 10, 2017, 06:46:00 PM
No,i have the rods from another experiment.Im planing to built the system,the only problem is my wife's garden.but i'll manage to convince her.I hope thar my 48v inverter will be compatible with the system.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: ramset on August 10, 2017, 07:14:10 PM
Just for clarity
the ground supplied by your new earth rods or the original house ground will not matter ,you can go out on your property and drive a ground rod almost anywhere and bring a Hot lead from your mains [one wire] and run anything you wish between the hot lead and your new ground.

{you could also get seriously fried playing here}

I am uncertain if your comment implies that your garden ground could be autonomous from the house grounds/mains ?

I apologize if this was not your meaning.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: casiano on August 10, 2017, 07:32:40 PM
I want to make my ground autonomous and the whole system independent from the grid,using my photovoltaic panels,battery bank and inverter.I dont want any trouble with the authorities.thanks for your replies,.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: Void on August 10, 2017, 08:34:31 PM
Unfortunately, that I have seen, Clarence has never showed anything that remotely indicated OU.
Clarence is not at all knowledgeable in electrical or electronics concepts, and he refused to take
any guidance from people who do have such knowledge on how to conduct some meaningful tests,
and he was frequently very disrespectful to people who offered to give him some help in that area. ;)
If you want to spend money and time on a setup that is probably not OU, that is your choice however. :)


Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: casiano on August 10, 2017, 09:18:20 PM
Fortunately i have all the materials i need for the replication,the only thing ito would waste is the time needed to do this.I saw that Clarence have more than 2 years building and experimented with the device.I think time is more important than money,that is why i asked what the forum members think about his claim.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: TinselKoala on August 10, 2017, 11:12:52 PM
Clarence has made several posts that indicate that he is merely bypassing the electric meter and part of the distribution panel of his home. He talks about popping breakers if the system isn't wired properly, and says outright

 
Quote
I spent time doing the math and it seems that for the said 25 amp load
 total 75% comes through the mains Line supply - the OTHER 25% comes THROUGH THE GROUND RETURN.

You will see a lot of people spending a lot of money and effort to "replicate" Clarence's system, only to find that it simply bypasses the electric meter and all the power used actually still comes from the electric grid.

But whatever. It's your money and time, and if you spent it doing something productive instead, or with your family... who knows what might happen.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: AlienGrey on August 11, 2017, 09:11:27 PM
Clarence has made several posts that indicate that he is merely bypassing the electric meter and part of the distribution panel of his home. He talks about popping breakers if the system isn't wired properly, and says outright

 
You will see a lot of people spending a lot of money and effort to "replicate" Clarence's system, only to find that it simply bypasses the electric meter and all the power used actually still comes from the electric grid.

But whatever. It's your money and time, and if you spent it doing something productive instead, or with your family... who knows what might happen.
yes your right, however, our friend Mr Nelson Racha uses a very similar circuit on his youtube site and calls it an electron trap where he appears to show a gain in energy, have you looked on his youtube site ?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJeF8TxjB0
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: antijon on August 12, 2017, 09:28:50 PM
AlienGrey, thanks for sharing that link. I watched this video https://youtu.be/G-ob1GY6dXs which looks like that circuit in operation. I thought it was interesting but didn't prove anything because he doesn't check the current and voltage across the bulb.

Then I watched this one https://youtu.be/KAtRv6PneNs and now I'm wondering what's going on!? When the vacuum is turned on, wattmeter goes to zero... it can't be from noise because the meter clearly shows 1kw when it's plugged in directly. We see the strip shows 231v and the vacuum is probably operating at 1kw, judging by the sound, so why no watts on the meter?
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: pomodoro on August 13, 2017, 02:03:04 AM
Whats going on is that for any credible readings oscilloscopes need to be used, and used properly. Instead of that wattmeter, an oscilloscope showing the voltage vs current and their phase needed to be used. To measure current a suitable resistor of low resistance needs to be in series with the circuit and the oscilloscope powered through an isolating transformer. Not so hard, yet people keep using these wattmeters that lie when they are made to power circuits that they are not designed for. If you get spiky currents, even an oscilloscope can become useless in the hands of inexperienced tinkerers.
Look for the obvious first.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2017, 07:06:22 AM
AlienGrey, thanks for sharing that link. I watched this video https://youtu.be/G-ob1GY6dXs (https://youtu.be/G-ob1GY6dXs) which looks like that circuit in operation. I thought it was interesting but didn't prove anything because he doesn't check the current and voltage across the bulb.

Then I watched this one https://youtu.be/KAtRv6PneNs (https://youtu.be/KAtRv6PneNs) and now I'm wondering what's going on!? When the vacuum is turned on, wattmeter goes to zero... it can't be from noise because the meter clearly shows 1kw when it's plugged in directly. We see the strip shows 231v and the vacuum is probably operating at 1kw, judging by the sound, so why no watts on the meter?

Because the meter is in "overload" mode and shows 0 watts when it is in that mode. Watch carefully at 3:54, and again at 6:59, and again at 8:10 and you will see the "overload" message on the meter as it displays "0 Watts". At 8:10 the vacuum cleaner is plugged directly into the meter, not through the "white box", the meter indicates "overload" and reads 0, and if Nelson had just pushed that button one more time before the end of the video you'd see another "0 Watt" reading, even when the white box is not used. That would have been a rather obvious "tell"-- and it is obvious that Nelson knows this. This video has "comments disabled". Why is that? Is Nelson afraid someone will notice his deception and point it out?
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: forest on August 13, 2017, 09:43:23 AM
Damaged meter ? But why it shows overload when also displaying 33W real power ?
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: casiano on August 13, 2017, 11:26:08 AM
I followed Clarence on Energetic Forum and is somethin fishy going on there.He avoids to do some basic measurements wich member Level asks him to do.so i think i'll wait building the device untill he does proper measurements.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: citfta on August 13, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
I think you will be waiting a long time.  Several of us have tried many times to get him to do proper measurements.  He has always had some answer that didn't involve proper measurements.  I haven't looked at that thread on EF for several months.  The past history of reading his explanations for what is going on convinced me I was wasting my time.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: nelsonrochaa on August 13, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
Because the meter is in "overload" mode and shows 0 watts when it is in that mode. Watch carefully at 3:54, and again at 6:59, and again at 8:10 and you will see the "overload" message on the meter as it displays "0 Watts". At 8:10 the vacuum cleaner is plugged directly into the meter, not through the "white box", the meter indicates "overload" and reads 0, and if Nelson had just pushed that button one more time before the end of the video you'd see another "0 Watt" reading, even when the white box is not used. That would have been a rather obvious "tell"-- and it is obvious that Nelson knows this. This video has "comments disabled". Why is that? Is Nelson afraid someone will notice his deception and point it out?


Well, I'd like to make a note of you, TK, about your comment only because you think  you're too smart.
If you look well to the vídeo since begin you will see that meter show in the function overload all time zero even with a load directly connected .https://youtu.be/KAtRv6PneNs?t=74
It should show 1 when is in overload , in that that way you are wrong about your observation .
But if you ask a lot i could explain what is happen :) in this circuit but only if you ask me really a lot :)
About the meters all my meters are damaged in all my vídeos and i just use them  for fun because i like cheat persons to get rich with my youtube account lol. For sure i dont have same philosoph like you that live from youtube or donations from other persons.
This links point to another vídeos with diferent model of meter .  Ohh… overload problems tooo ...sorry i disabled comments 3 years ago because i’m afraid that someone could notice my deception… REALLY PATHETIC  your conclusion . 


https://youtu.be/G-ob1GY6dXs?t=264
https://youtu.be/RFpsK6EMPQM
https://youtu.be/Eoc_9h4vCKs
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2017, 02:54:26 PM
At the end of the video I commented about, Nelson plugs the vacuum cleaner directly into the meter, and the meter proceeds to show the "overload" condition and the zero watts indication at 8:10. Anyone can see this for themselves.



Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: AlienGrey on August 13, 2017, 03:00:52 PM
Mr Nelson yes TK is clever, but not as knowledgeable as you are, but that's because he is stuck in the old ways as I and many others are taught to start with Oxford University ie Maxwell's teachings suppressed. I myself was under the wishful thinking your videos would show how to re create how you had created OU so I could just use it for my self and stop wasting valuable natural resources of the planet but nothing worked not even your circuit diagrams could I get to work (i mean NO OU). I won't comment on how bad life was 3 years back but it was bad.

But I will tell you this I know mostly how it's done but only from translating videos from our Russian friends, probably the same way you learnt ;). America you must be jesting all get from them deliberate mind set (mind games) know your place ! its BS and deliberate misguidance the US has no respect for other peoples SOVEREIGNTY and that includes its own people. Sorry!
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: antijon on August 13, 2017, 05:06:03 PM
TK, I'm not familiar with those meters, never had one, but it seems that zero is a function after watts and before power factor. Earlier in the video when he's only pulling 33w he cycles the functions and the zero still shows. The meter can't overload at 33w if it clearly shows 933w at the end of the video.

Nelson, I've tried to dissect your wiring in the reactive test videos but failed. Why so much electric tape!? Haha

It looks like you have the motor power across the run and start winding, with the neon between the start and common connection. If that's true, the motor will have a large inductance, and that would explain the low RPM and low power consumption.

I know the toroid acts like a mag amp- when the switch on the secondary is open, it has a high reactance. Closing the switch shorts the secondary and drops reactance enough to start the motor. Opening the switch increases reactance. So I'm guessing the toroid is in series with the motor.

I understand that a high inductive reactance will show less real power (watts) because the power factor is below 1. I don't understand how apparent power can be used to reduce real power input, but keep real power output to the load. ???

What I'm asking is, if I used an electron trap to power a load, will it reduce both real and apparent power from line?

I'm lost with Barbosa and Leal. I read that they used a battery and small inverter to power their device, then to power a factory. https://youtu.be/m9JIqkUh47Q Supposedly this video. If their device used apparent power, they would still require a large inverter to supply the current. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: nelsonrochaa on August 13, 2017, 09:27:57 PM

Hi AlienGrey,
I wish to say that i really don't care about what some people could say or bring to table related with any of my videos where i made my own personal tests , i just can't resist answer sometimes when some persons make assumptions and try find all reasons to justify everything like they know everything what is happens because seems the don't understand.

First off all and is a big difference  between me and some of this persons , i don't earn money by sell or promote by my own some of my systems that i shot in video to youtube to a wide public, but i prefer in that way because no one could accuse me of fool anyone or sell any information about any of my tests or how to replicate them.
The meters used was the best  i have available in that time "some years ago" but they are commercial meters and maybe all that meters used are only crazy giving crazy data :)  maybe  .....  like some months ago happens with some experts guys of this forum when they try make some measurements with professional scope units and all necessary rules in a particular system and they measure OU in their own tests. could happens :) shit happens :)

The other point is that older videos are only tests i do myself and not to community in general . I'm not like some persons that only like promote their own videos trying to earn some dollars and some attention to elevate their ego , i prefer maintain myself in background mode, and talk with people that choose by their own ask me about in particular way , and that make a big difference between me and someone that want try cheat other person .


Antijon,

I really don't know if Barbosa Leal system  works or not because the circuit that i show is a bit different and don't work under same principles , i just could talk about my own tests and my system ,  not for the other's project.
That particular system is not overunity even because is not self looped (seems imperative to some )  and only use a way to use reactive power to reduce the final bill of electricity , but seems is illegal like i was informed a few years ago by the electrical company provider departament from Portugal when i conducted that tests years ago  (In German is not allowed too . I was warmed about possibles legal issues if i continue use this system directly to grid , and that make me advance to  a different approaches. So i that way i could not continue with tests on this particularly circuit .
I just could say when is used a inductive loads this particularly system act different instead a resistive load , and that is visible in power factor values in smart meters .  If a inductive load is connected and the power factor is near zero for sure you know what it means :) .

Like i told in begin my videos are only my own tests ,only with a particular value to me , without any intention of promote any particular goal .

cheers

Nelson Rocha


 

 
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: Void on August 13, 2017, 09:54:23 PM
Like i told in begin my videos are only my own tests ,only with a particular value to me , without any intention of promote any particular goal .

Hi Nelson. Nice to hear from you. My impression was your more recent video which showed the self running
device was a valid self runner, was it not? Did you not sell that technology to some company in Europe?
Maybe I misunderstood?
All the best...

Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: nelsonrochaa on August 13, 2017, 11:12:26 PM
Hi Nelson. Nice to hear from you. My impression was your more recent video which showed the self running
device was a valid self runner, was it not? Did you not sell that technology to some company in Europe?
Maybe I misunderstood?
All the best...

Hi Void ,
Thanks by comment ,
i really don't know to what video you refer in particularly because i produce lot of videos last month's related with such subject's , but probably you are referring to the self feedbacked system running the 3  phases motor and charge the same batteries of input system . that system is a self feedback system with apparently COP of near 3 on output :) https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=I_eja4gmpcY
This system ideia was not sold yet because happens some issues with supporter investor's and they want a laboratory certified measures by a independent entity . 

 The concept of self runner could be misunderstood if not totally understand . To me a self runner system is a system that able to recover some of energy dissipated in a close circuit in a particular point and apply it again in the system to improve main efficiency  and maintain a storage buffer charged to able the system run with a small input like a small capacity battery or solar panel or even without input by some period of time and able to obtain a "amplified" output in relation to input by a process of current amplified magnetic resonant circuit .

I experiment two years ago with other type of concept much more improved than the last one i talk, but seems Not meet the necessary safety conditions to be used in a commercial product due to possible health problems caused by system, because create some type of artificial radiation with impact in human health  .

I only sell until now a small circuit ideia of self feedbacked LED light system  to a South Korean company some 4 years ago;
at moment  i'm trying solve some legal issues with the present company that finance last 3 years of my research , so i don't feel much comfortable talk about some of this subjects on moment because some legal issues and personal compromises.

Hope you become clarify about what you ask .

cheers




 




 



 
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2017, 11:55:09 PM
Well, Nelson, perhaps I owe you a small apology. Perhaps. Someone gave me a link to the manual for the US version of the power meter you used in that video, and perhaps I was misinterpreting the "overload" 0 watts message where it was appearing in your video.

To settle the issue, can you please perform the following simple test that someone else suggested. Simply connect a 1 amp fuse in series between the wattmeter and the White Box, then run the vacuum cleaner on the output of the White Box as before.

If there is truly "0 Watts" drawn as the wattmeter suggested in your video, then the fuse obviously won't blow as the vacuum cleaner runs at full power.

Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: AlienGrey on August 14, 2017, 12:23:49 AM
Well, Nelson, perhaps I owe you a small apology. Perhaps. Someone gave me a link to the manual for the US version of the power meter you used in that video, and perhaps I was misinterpreting the "overload" 0 watts message where it was appearing in your video.

To settle the issue, can you please perform the following simple test that someone else suggested. Simply connect a 1 amp fuse in series between the wattmeter and the White Box, then run the vacuum cleaner on the output of the White Box as before.

If there is truly "0 Watts" drawn as the watt meter suggested in your video, then the fuse obviously won't blow as the vacuum cleaner runs at full power.
Yes a damn good idea, any chance of a new video Nelson showing the fuse, many thanks.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: AlienGrey on August 14, 2017, 12:56:35 AM
Hi AlienGrey,
I wish to say that i really don't care about what some people could say or bring to table related with any of my videos where i made my own personal tests , i just can't resist answer sometimes when some persons make assumptions and try find all reasons to justify everything like they know everything what is happens because seems the don't understand.

First off all and is a big difference  between me and some of this persons , i don't earn money by sell or promote by my own some of my systems that i shot in video to youtube to a wide public, but i prefer in that way because no one could accuse me of fool anyone or sell any information about any of my tests or how to replicate them.
The meters used was the best  i have available in that time "some years ago" but they are commercial meters and maybe all that meters used are only crazy giving crazy data :)  maybe  .....  like some months ago happens with some experts guys of this forum when they try make some measurements with professional scope units and all necessary rules in a particular system and they measure OU in their own tests. could happens :) shit happens :)

The other point is that older videos are only tests i do myself and not to community in general . I'm not like some persons that only like promote their own videos trying to earn some dollars and some attention to elevate their ego , i prefer maintain myself in background mode, and talk with people that choose by their own ask me about in particular way , and that make a big difference between me and someone that want try cheat other person .


Antijon,

I really don't know if Barbosa Leal system  works or not because the circuit that i show is a bit different and don't work under same principles , i just could talk about my own tests and my system ,  not for the other's project.
That particular system is not overunity even because is not self looped (seems imperative to some )  and only use a way to use reactive power to reduce the final bill of electricity , but seems is illegal like i was informed a few years ago by the electrical company provider departament from Portugal when i conducted that tests years ago  (In German is not allowed too . I was warmed about possibles legal issues if i continue use this system directly to grid , and that make me advance to  a different approaches. So i that way i could not continue with tests on this particularly circuit .
I just could say when is used a inductive loads this particularly system act different instead a resistive load , and that is visible in power factor values in smart meters .  If a inductive load is connected and the power factor is near zero for sure you know what it means :) .

Like i told in begin my videos are only my own tests ,only with a particular value to me , without any intention of promote any particular goal .

cheers

Nelson Rocha
Nelson many thanks for you truthful answer. ;)
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: Void on August 14, 2017, 12:59:40 AM
...
Hope you become clarify about what you ask .

Hi Nelson. Thanks for the comments. Yes, I was referring to your device from a couple of years ago.
You are doing really well with your research. Sorry to hear about the legal issues. Yes, probably better
not to discuss about such things then.

By self running, I mean a device which does not require external power input like from an external
battery or whatever once it is running, and will continue to run as long as you leave it running, as a
portion of the power that the device produces is used to power itself.
Good luck with the research!
All the best...
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: antijon on August 14, 2017, 02:35:42 AM
Thanks for clearing that up Nelson. Although I still don't understand the drop in current for a resistive load. Unless some of the current is bypassing the meter when ground is attached.

Looks like your radiant box is based on your pancake coil. https://youtu.be/aEZSCNHDYJs  ::) does the gain have something to do with a bifilar having low reactance, and a normal coil having high inductance?
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: Hoppy on August 14, 2017, 10:05:35 AM

By self running, I mean a device which does not require external power input like from an external
battery or whatever once it is running, and will continue to run as long as you leave it running, as a
portion of the power that the device produces is used to power itself.
Good luck with the research!
All the best...

Agreed. This is basically my understanding of a self-runner but clearly there are other opinions / understanding. With regards to satifying investors, the power triangle calcs will decide validity of any claim that a device is working ouside convention.
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: nelsonrochaa on August 14, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
Yes a damn good idea, any chance of a new video Nelson showing the fuse, many thanks.

Yes  i understand that was a good ideia , but already go more than 4 years i don't have that circuit with me, he is in German like others system's i developed  last years , seems the company that support me last 3 years consider that systems are property of company , so is impossible to me make such test.
Maybe i would make other unit and in that time i will have pleasure to make such video .

cheers
Title: Re: Clarence replication of Barbosa and Leal self powered generator
Post by: Void on August 14, 2017, 08:45:22 PM
Yes  i understand that was a good ideia , but already go more than 4 years i don't have that circuit with me, he is in German like others system's i developed  last years , seems the company that support me last 3 years consider that systems are property of company , so is impossible to me make such test.
Maybe i would make other unit and in that time i will have pleasure to make such video .
cheers

Hi Nelson. Yes, what really matters is what was agreed to and signed by both parties in a contract.
If there was no really clear contract signed, then it can possibly get even more messy.
As we all know, unfortunately lawyers can be very expensive if you disagree with a company's interpretation
of a contract and want to fight it out with them in court. Companies can try to take advantage if they
think the person likely won't be able to afford to battle it out with them in court. I hope things
work out for you in a way that is fair to you.
All the best...