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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2017, 10:42:11 AM »

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2017, 02:48:13 PM »
Minnie is getting tougher these days, so don't underestimate that cute mouse!

The voltage up there is very high but the current is  piss weak. That's where their patented collector comes into play.  As I mentioned, I cant give away any secrets on how to get massive currents, but here are some no BS tips that my colleagues allow me to give you.

When you start out, use a small capacitor , say 0.01uF rated at 8Kv or more.  You then attach  some sort of quality spark gap between the cap terminals as a visual aid, perhaps a 2-5kV one.  One end of the cap is grounded, the other goes to a fine copper wire slightly wrapped around the cotton string that goes up to Minnie.  The copper wire goes all the way up to Minnie and is connected to your ion collector.  Your hands must be well isolated with rubber gloves etc because any leaks through your body will not allow the cap to charge.

Dont touch the copper wire and don't touch the cotton string either. Use a good plastic reel that insulates your hand from the string . If all goes well you will see sparks. Dont use diodes as yet and don't try to measure the voltage with your multimeter. Go as high as possible with Minnie.

Work hard in the workshop on the detector ,to get charge on the cap, dont use diodes at this point unless you want to collect radio signals or power line radiation.
Most importantly, .....


Dont be tempted to spray Minnie with graphite, unless you want an Angry Mickey on steroids at your door.

I didnt see your post intill now. I think I will try this out this weekend Pomodoro.

Oh, no i would not want Mickey at my door. My wife would get mad as hell when she Finds out that i sprayed Minnie. 

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2017, 01:15:52 PM »
Can i get Neon bulbs to fire at lower voltages by putting them in parallel? I guess not but i wanted to ask anyway. :)


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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2017, 02:47:36 AM »
Can i get Neon bulbs to fire at lower voltages by putting them in parallel? I guess not but i wanted to ask anyway. :)


Of course not.
But a neon is a better idea instead of spark gap as the Minnie generator is your first attempt. The sub 100V discharge is a good indicator. Just remember to use  low leakage caps, no electrolytics, the lower the farads the better, so long as you can see the glow discharge during the day!

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2017, 02:47:36 AM »
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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2017, 01:01:49 PM »
As a simplest ready available solution, to use thoriated rods
like there
http://www.twi-global.com/technical-knowledge/faqs/health-and-safety-faqs/faq-the-use-of-thoriated-tungsten-electrodes/

I have tried this many years ago, but with NO success.

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2017, 02:25:19 AM »
A word of caution: the pointed spikes in the Plauson build are, essentially, Franklin lightning rods. The reason the Franklin lightning rod works is that the point ionizes the air around the point which provides a better path to ground than normal air. So you will be attracting lightning if it is overhead. That's probably why the Plauson work never went anywhere.

The Plauson method and Tesla's method work very differently. The Tesla device collects the charge of charged particles from cosmic rays penetrating the atmosphere. The insulation on the polished, elevated plate serves 2 purposes. The first is that it covers any points that ionize the air and attract lightning. The second is that it is a dielectric material and serves to separate the charges and protect the the charge collected by the plate from neutralizing with opposite charges in the air around it. So the insulation should have as high a dielectric constant as possible. All connections and conductors between the elevated plate and your device need to be insulated for the same reason. The same goes for all connections and conductors between your device and your ground rod/plate connection. I found that insulating the top 3 feet of the ground rod or wire going to the plate in the soil also helps because the charged particles will also penetrate the ground to that depth.

The reason Tesla says in his patent to use a "highly polished or amalgamated plate" is so the dielectric insulation will make the best contact possible and therefore attain the best charge transfer.

In metallurgy, amalgamated means mixed with mercury. Mercury has some interesting properties in regard to Tesla's work. Vacuum tubes were developed at one time to use a pool of mercury to conduct high voltage, high current electricity in only one direction - a vacuum diode, if you will - that could handle 30kW of DC power. Tesla also used mercury in many of his circuit controllers for the same reason. Search "mercury arc rectifiers" for more info.[/font]

If I remember correctly, John Bedini said to use thoriated tungsten welding rods for the cores of the coils in the SSG.

There were at one time vacuum tubes produced that used a radioactive material. I think it was RCA who produced them for use in high power radio transmitters. There might still be a few around but they would cost an arm and a leg I imagine.

Page 13 of the following PDF document shows, essentially, a Tesla radiant energy collector using strontium rather than cosmic rays.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~blanchar/res/BlanchardKorea.pdf[/url]

[/font]You can buy thorium on eBay I think. And the following site has radioactive materials and handling equipment: http://www.unitednuclear.com/

More info in the attachment.

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2017, 10:50:16 AM »

Of course not.
But a neon is a better idea instead of spark gap as the Minnie generator is your first attempt. The sub 100V discharge is a good indicator. Just remember to use  low leakage caps, no electrolytics, the lower the farads the better, so long as you can see the glow discharge during the day!

I am using a microwave oven cap right now, one that i have opened up and taken out of the case and removed the resistor, and one thats untouched.
The one thats opened i have put it two zip lock bags, with oil in them, and then taped up with electrical tape to insulate it, but it is still leaking very much.

What is the best way to insulate a leaking diy capacitor?
I was thinking that i was going to put the 1uF/2500v cap and put it in a container and pour in some candle wax and let it cool.

Should i use maybe AC caps instead, like WIMA´s or something like that? I haven´t had the time lately to try anything new, but this i should try to see if

(Ion)Wind Converter
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880218&CC=DE&NR=3627532A1&KC=A1#


And Cherryman, reply 30 related: Otto Traun/Plauson worked also in optimizing the Tesla electric motor performance .
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=39&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157262A&KC=A#

some others used this reference:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104492A&KC=A#
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20101004&CC=PT&NR=104491A&KC=A#

technical result: a(n) 18000 RPM motor (so there would be the need for a gear for conventional use )

Cool, i will check these out right away. :) Thanks.

I have tried this many years ago, but with NO success.

Did you report on this? It sounds like something that i would be willing to try, becouse there are so much talk about that radioactive materials have been used by Moray, Hubbard among others.

The Plauson method and Tesla's method work very differently. The Tesla device collects the charge of charged particles from cosmic rays penetrating the atmosphere. The insulation on the polished, elevated plate serves 2 purposes. The first is that it covers any points that ionize the air and attract lightning. The second is that it is a dielectric material and serves to separate the charges and protect the the charge collected by the plate from neutralizing with opposite charges in the air around it. So the insulation should have as high a dielectric constant as possible. All connections and conductors between the elevated plate and your device need to be insulated for the same reason. The same goes for all connections and conductors between your device and your ground rod/plate connection. I found that insulating the top 3 feet of the ground rod or wire going to the plate in the soil also helps because the charged particles will also penetrate the ground to that depth.

The reason Tesla says in his patent to use a "highly polished or amalgamated plate" is so the dielectric insulation will make the best contact possible and therefore attain the best charge transfer.

In metallurgy, amalgamated means mixed with mercury. Mercury has some interesting properties in regard to Tesla's work. Vacuum tubes were developed at one time to use a pool of mercury to conduct high voltage, high current electricity in only one direction - a vacuum diode, if you will - that could handle 30kW of DC power. Tesla also used mercury in many of his circuit controllers for the same reason. Search "mercury arc rectifiers" for more info.[/font]

If I remember correctly, John Bedini said to use thoriated tungsten welding rods for the cores of the coils in the SSG.

There were at one time vacuum tubes produced that used a radioactive material. I think it was RCA who produced them for use in high power radio transmitters. There might still be a few around but they would cost an arm and a leg I imagine.

Page 13 of the following PDF document shows, essentially, a Tesla radiant energy collector using strontium rather than cosmic rays.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~blanchar/res/BlanchardKorea.pdf[/url]

[/font]You can buy thorium on eBay I think. And the following site has radioactive materials and handling equipment: http://www.unitednuclear.com/

More info in the attachment.

I am using right now a carbon fiber sheet that i bought on Ebay, and i was thinking about laminating it, and what you said about the dielectic on the antenna was interesting becouse i haven´t really thought much about it.
I am glad that you brought this to my attention, so i am going to do my best in insulating the antenna, and i will also try to insulate the earth side too.
I was under the impression that the system should be insulated becouse of leakage.

I have thought about buying some Uraninite from UN, but i am not sure that they will ship to Europe, and if they do, it will probably cost $100 in shipping.

On ebay you can get what the hell you are looking for. I remember a few years ago when i was into electrochemistry and stuff, i bought a whole bunch of exotic chemical reagents from ebay, so i would not be surprised if you wanted to buy guns, drugs, or radioactive nuclear waste you could get it from ebay. :)

Thanks for the feedback guys!

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2017, 06:25:53 AM »
Dear Antimony, if you dont wanna get nowhere really fast, then don't waste with the thoriated tungsten , uranite and all that crap.  I have tested pure thorium and uranium salts in a my modern version of Marie Curie's  air conductivity apparatus and they are exceedingly weak, even in a field of 8000V/20cm.  They are not the faintest shadow of Radium.

Oh, laminating your ion collector is very , very , very .....something.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2017, 10:27:41 AM by pomodoro »

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2017, 01:13:38 PM »
Ok, I just have to explain that i thought about laminating the paper antenna to keep it dry when i put it up, and when he wrote that it was important that the antenna should be insulated, i just mentioned it. I didnt think that it was any genious idea on my part.

The truth is that i dont even know a fraction of what knowledge you guys have about this stuff, so I just have to let you know that so that you dont think i am passing myself of as something i dont want you to think of me.

I dont have the money for exploring thorium or anything like that right now at the moment, but it would be interesting at some time to learn more about. 

I appreciate you taking your time. Thanks. :)

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2017, 01:33:54 PM »
Don't laminate it unless you are a Drongo!

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2017, 03:21:56 PM »
Don't laminate it unless you are a Drongo!

Don´t know what a Drongo is, but i guess it is nothing that i would like to be, so i wont laminate it. :)

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2017, 11:15:47 AM »
If you laminate it then you might as well use alum foil!  And then you limit yourself to capturing AC fields only.  You ain't ever gonna see those sparks like on the Ion group vids.  :-[  what happened to the Minne experiment?? Oh sorry for taking the Mickey out of you. Oh man I need to stop..

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2017, 08:58:41 PM »
If you laminate it then you might as well use alum foil!  And then you limit yourself to capturing AC fields only.  You ain't ever gonna see those sparks like on the Ion group vids.  :-[  what happened to the Minne experiment?? Oh sorry for taking the Mickey out of you. Oh man I need to stop..

No worries. My wife and kids will be out of town a couple of days soon, so that will leave me some free time that i was planning on taking Minnie out and see what i can get.

Do you think i should leave the carbon fiber sheet uninsulated? I don´t have to insulate it like with the paper.
Will the scotch tape insulation decrease what it picks up?

When i first started to experiment with the graphite antenna, and all of that i started out with the regular Tesla or Ion Power Group setup, but when i found out that i was getting more "action" with the Tate circuit, you know, i got stuck on that instead of trying to collect some cosmic energy instead.
That was what i was going for in the beginning, so i am going to focus on that from now on. :)

Have you seen the Inventor3 series on youtube called "Free energy from air" or something like that?
https://www.youtube.com/user/INVENTOR3

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2017, 02:15:00 AM »
I hardly ever look at youtube, more of a book / PDF / web page reader myself  but will check it later.


If the carbon sheet is fragile, you are very limited. You might be able to wrap it in the shape of a tube and use it in the tail section of Minnie.
 Air will pass around it and inside. You need a light copper wire, very thin one that Minnie can lift. Single strand enamelled copper wire. But keep the normal string for strength. For you first tests forget trying to measure any voltage. Instead measure the current flow from the collector up there, thru the wire and down to a metal stake in the ground. Use a multimeter capable of uA, mA.  Forget capacitors , simply measure the current and report back here. Don't touch the copper wire or some of the current will pass through your body not the multimeter. Also note the polarity of the current. Strive for constant current for a few seconds, not peaks, these peaks are due to bound charges moving up and down as the altitude changes. The more the height the better the signal. 120 feet minimum.


Tate circuit simply rectifies AC fields in the roof from your own house. If you don't believe it, simply take it to a park and try it out. Depending on radio signals in the vicinity you will get some sort of output, or none at all. Eventually , when youre good, hook it up to Minnie, it should work, but again, measure and improve current first.
Cosmic radiation collectors are not real,  well not the OU ones you can power your house with. Concentrate on real things like the ion group tech first, master it and then try the cosmic receivers for some challenge.
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