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Offline antimony

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Ion power group.
« on: May 25, 2017, 08:41:54 PM »
Hi, I saw a clip that Laser Saber did some time ago, and i was just on their website and downloaded some of their pdfs that described their power collection systems.

They use Graphite and Graphene for their collectors that they send high up in the air with lite and balloons.

https://ionpowergroup.com
https://ionpowergroup.com/patents/

Have anyone heard about this company or their technique for atmospheric energy collection?

I have made, like many of you, Teslas radiant energy circuit with varying results.
It seems as the antenna is as important as the collection circuit.

What do you think?

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Ion power group.
« on: May 25, 2017, 08:41:54 PM »

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2017, 08:32:29 AM »
Amazing. I tried to graphite a piece of paper (2"x4") with a regular pencil yesterday and tried it just now.
I got 10 volt out of it right away.
I did not belive my eyes.

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2017, 02:44:31 PM »
Yes, I have personally  measured about 300V positive with respect to earth with a well insulated special antenna of my design  just 4m above ground on a nice clear day.  Balloons tens of meters above ground would have access to thousands of volts. Graphite spray or  Aquadag on balloons is good enough, no need for space age graphene.

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2017, 02:54:59 PM »
If Graphite gives this good a reading how much beter would Graphene be? Have you tried it?

Did you mean spraying a Graphite and water solution, or what did you mean?
I have been thinking about how to coat aluminium foil with graphite powder. 
Any ideas?


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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2017, 04:14:16 PM »
I have not used balloons. The graphite spray is a mold release agent. Aquadag is a special suspension of graphite in water. I doubt the increased area of graphene has any great advance in this application but I could be wrong.

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2017, 04:14:16 PM »
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Offline Bob Smith

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2017, 07:18:20 PM »
I remember a YT video 10 years ago in which an experimenter had blackened a SS electrode tube with a butane torch, basically covering it with a coat of carbon. He claimed that it was exhibiting qualities of negative resistance, and he attributed it to the carbon coating. Can't remember his name or whether it's still online now.
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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2017, 09:46:19 PM »
Graphite is used to make balloon surface conduct. 

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2017, 03:38:47 AM »
I finally had time to look at most of their vids and Its probably the most genuine 'Sort of Tesla style'  company I've seen on the net.  Real science, real results.  It can't compete with solar energy but will produce power at night.  Rain will screw it up though.  Great fun for experimenters to try on a small scale as I have been doing.


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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2017, 12:44:15 PM »
I finally had time to look at most of their vids and Its probably the most genuine 'Sort of Tesla style'  company I've seen on the net.  Real science, real results.  It can't compete with solar energy but will produce power at night.  Rain will screw it up though.  Great fun for experimenters to try on a small scale as I have been doing.

Yeah, right. Different from any other company that i´ve ever seen. Thats what i found interesting. :)

Anyway, i tried to make an antenna by filling a regular paper on both sides with a pencil (graphite) real thick.
I am going to buy a can of graphite spray and try to apply onto other materials and use for antennas.

So, with this paper antenna i was really happy to see that the caps charged up really really fast, compared to what i have had with my other antennas. And also they charge up to over 250 vdc.

I hooked up a oscilloscope probe onto the antenna lead on the circuit, and i noticed that the capacitors in the circuit charged up about 2-3x faster then without it, and when i discharge the caps i get a real big spark and bang. About 5-10 minutes between each discharge.
The probe unconnected ofcourse.

I was thinking that i wanted to scale it up so i am testing a bunch of different variations that i can come to think of.

Ion power group use their collected energy for lighting flourecent tubes, and making HHO gas so i was thinking about trying this also to see what limitations there is, and what i can accomplish with what materials i have available.

Do you have any ideas, Pomodoro? :)

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2017, 12:47:24 PM »
You are doing exceptionally well, and you have only just started. There is about 100V per meter above ground, so 1000V is within reach. Be careful and don't get electrocuted. At the speed you're going you should be able to power LEDs soon. May the force of graphite be with you.

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2017, 10:13:00 AM »
You are doing exceptionally well, and you have only just started. There is about 100V per meter above ground, so 1000V is within reach. Be careful and don't get electrocuted. At the speed you're going you should be able to power LEDs soon. May the force of graphite be with you.

Yeah, i was glad to start out with such a bang and that made me want to explore this even more. My antenna is at about 4-5 meters height, indoors. So the next step i thought was to get the antenna up higher.
I don´t have a drone, or access to a balloon, so i was thinking that i would try to use a kite, but i will have to make the antenna as light as possible, so it will be able to take off, and stay up.

I have started to read Hermann Plausons patent again, and i am thinking about how i can combine these things that i have learned about graphite, with Plausons circuits.


I made some conductive graphite plastic that i smashed out and that i have used as an antenna for a couple of days now, and that works very well i just try to scale up it a little bit i think. I am working on it.

I made two lengths of coaxial cable antenna a few years ago that i was thinking about trying to pick up and get going with.
When i first made it, i got a reading from the antenna, but it didn´t function as well as i wanted it to, so i stuffed it away.
Have you tried the coax antenna?

I have to end it here becouse the kids are harassing me. :)

Thanks mate


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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2017, 02:21:25 AM »
I'm working with another two chaps so I can't tell all, but our best achievement was to reduce the antenna area from one square meter to less than one square cm and yet produce over 20x the power at the same 4m height. That's a gain of at least 200,000 based on area.
I'm not going for height because balloons etc are only good for experiments not for practical applications. At 4m about 400V is the limit you can get during fine weather, I'm not sure what will happen during stormy weather.
I have not used coax as I'm not sure how it could be used in my setup.


A kite would be ideal for your experiments. Simply spray with graphite and use a thin copper wire loosely wrapped around the cotton string to send the power down to a HV cap of a few uF.  The other end of the cap needs grounding.  Don't joke around though, touching the copper wire after charging the cap could stop your heart. Get someone to measure the cap voltage with a 100M probe every now and then.


I found balloons of small size useless as they can't lift much wire and are very fiddly  even in small wind situations.


Good luck experimenting.


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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2017, 04:29:41 AM »
IMHO it may be beneficial to cover the surface with a sharp pins, even better to dope the tips
in some kind of a radio active material, similar to a welding rods.

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2017, 04:40:01 AM »
I have absolutely no idea how they got this patent on something which was described numerous times in the past.
Does novelty no longer appliy?

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Re: Ion power group.
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2017, 01:21:42 PM »
I'm working with another two chaps so I can't tell all, but our best achievement was to reduce the antenna area from one square meter to less than one square cm and yet produce over 20x the power at the same 4m height. That's a gain of at least 200,000 based on area.
I'm not going for height because balloons etc are only good for experiments not for practical applications. At 4m about 400V is the limit you can get during fine weather, I'm not sure what will happen during stormy weather.
I have not used coax as I'm not sure how it could be used in my setup.


A kite would be ideal for your experiments. Simply spray with graphite and use a thin copper wire loosely wrapped around the cotton string to send the power down to a HV cap of a few uF.  The other end of the cap needs grounding.  Don't joke around though, touching the copper wire after charging the cap could stop your heart. Get someone to measure the cap voltage with a 100M probe every now and then.


I found balloons of small size useless as they can't lift much wire and are very fiddly  even in small wind situations.


Good luck experimenting.

I have also found that the smaller the paper used for the antenna, it seems like the better performance. I first made one that was about 1" x 4" that i was blown away by, and then i tried to make a few larger ones that didn´t perform nearly as well.
I haven´t tried one as small as your smallest one, but i will surely do it soon.

I haven´t gotten the coax to function as an antenna yet, so i will put it away again.

Yeah, i haven´t actually tried the kite yet, but i don´t think it will be a problem getting something out of it, but i am thinking about how to do it in the best possible way, and the safest.

Thanks for your help mate. :)



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IMHO it may be beneficial to cover the surface with a sharp pins, even better to dope the tips
in some kind of a radio active material, similar to a welding rods.

Yeah, i have read about that, but i am not sure where i would get the Radium from, or if i would feel safe working with that stuff in my garage. :)

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