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vikram_gupta11

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Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« on: May 10, 2017, 06:35:02 PM »
This machine is based on gravity power and seesaw system.
We can make it more simple .
As per sketch there will be two seesaw system and both will be attached with a hook.This hook will work to hold the seesaw.There will a middle track which will work a pathway to transport the object from one seesaw to another seesaw.

there will be two motors which will work to inclined the both side seesaw systems by pushing the counter weight side of each seesaw.

When right side motor will  work to push up  the counter weight side of seesaw then it will be inclined and object will get start to move towards left side and arrived on the left side seesaw and now left side  motor will work to push the counter weight side arm to inclined the seesaw and object will move towards right side.

In this way each seesaw will work turn by turn.

If we take object  mass 1000 kilogram  then the mass of counter weight will be also 1000 kilogram .If motor works to push  the counter weight side of balanced seesaw towards upside up to 50 centimeter then as per potential energy formula

P.E.=mgh
P.E.= 1000*10*.50
P.E.=5000 joule

P.E.=K.E.
So the counter weight side of seesaw will work to generate 5000 joule energy but input will be only 300 to 500 joule as we all know that motors will consume less energy to move up a balanced seesaw.

I would like to insist on some following point.
(1) The hook will work to hold the counter weight so that the seesaw couldn't be imbalanced after unloading the object.
(2) we can set up a generator under the counter weight to generate energy.
(3)the length of middle track will be less than the length of arm of seesaws.
(4)The motors will work to push the counter weights towards upside .
(5)we can take the object mass from 100 to 1000 kilogram.
(6) It will be single track system in this system no need of taking double track.
(7) It will work REALLY.

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Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« on: May 10, 2017, 06:35:02 PM »

vikram_gupta11

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2017, 05:03:08 PM »
I have test it with some wooden tracks and a ball  and  got the result what I was expecting.I also did some work on a BIG seesaw  with some children and found that I 'm right as I  had to apply only 3 newton force to lift up the seesaw  with children's weight(each side 150 kilogram).

Mr. hand cannot make me fool as I have done practice many many times and become expert that where ,when and how much force I should apply.

As per the attached sketch the stand which is attached with counter weight side of each seesaw will work to hold the position of seesaw so that the seesaw couldn't get imbalanced after unloading the ball . when motor will apply the force on counter weight Arm of left seesaw then the ball will get start rolling down and arrived on right side seesaw.But the counter weight arm will move towards down side and hit with a piston generator with attached stand, which will work to generate electricity.
if motors lift the counter weight arm up to 50 centimeter then using potential energy formula
P.E.=mgh
P.E.=1000*10*.50
P.E.=5000 joule
The output is  5000 joule and as per my worked on big seesaw the input will be only  3 newton force.
So I 'm 101% confident that this system will work .I would also like to attract your attention on a mechanical advantage of rolling ball and its distance from fulcrum.When motor will lift up the counter weight arm of seesaw  and ball will get rolling down then the rolling ball will also apply a force as it will move further from fulcrum.
,I don't have a high facility lab and I cannot afford the cost as my earning is very less but whatever worked I have done so far is before all members.

webby1

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2017, 05:17:11 PM »
Please see the other thread that you have going on this very same thing.

It  does not work, as you have described and drawn it, to produce any extra useable output.

I do not think at this time that you have made a testbed since the motions you want to use can not happen.

vikram_gupta11

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2017, 07:59:51 PM »
I t will work as I have done worked on it .I have clear all doubts but still you are not understanding .Ok ,tell me why it shouldn't work.you have not worked on seesaw .had you worked on the seesaw then you would not have talked like this..please don't post comments in the air.

webby1

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2017, 09:37:09 PM »
I t will work as I have done worked on it .I have clear all doubts but still you are not understanding .Ok ,tell me why it shouldn't work.you have not worked on seesaw .had you worked on the seesaw then you would not have talked like this..please don't post comments in the air.

I have no doubts that it does not provide for a gain, I do have doubts as to the extent of work you have done on it.

How does the middle track move?

With 2 fulcrums on either side of the middle track,, and the 2 levers that are connected to those fulcrums AND the middle track,, what are the motions,, how can one side go down while connected to the middle track and a fulcrum without the other side also going down,,  what happens to the distance BETWEEN the fulcrums???

Since I have worked on these kinds of setups I know a few things that you are missing,, which is what makes me wonder how much of a testbed you have built and played with.

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2017, 09:37:09 PM »

vikram_gupta11

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 11:19:02 AM »
Dear Sir,

I think one point is clear that you have not done work on seesaw system ever as you are only raising unimportant points like how can one side go down without connecting the middle track?
When the side of seesaw will come down then it will be attached with middle track due to adjoining  like railway tracks .it is very simple and I don't see any problem and all others members will be also agree with me.
You can try it with using two measuring scales .
I have already mentioned that the middle track will be stable and its only a path to transfer the ball from left to right and right to left.
Now you say that how the  seesaw will be inclined so I also have mentioned that a lever connected with a motor will work to inclined the left side BALANCED seesaw using minimum force.
You have not found any mistakes so I think that you are raising only unimportant points .I again say that I have test it with some wooden tracks and It will work.There is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this design .
I have also  consult with a very good physics Professor and he is also agree with me that it must work.

if you don't believe me then you can try it and I'm 101% sure that you will found same result as I found.

webby1

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 01:34:54 PM »
Dear Sir,

I think one point is clear that you have not done work on seesaw system ever as you are only raising unimportant points like how can one side go down without connecting the middle track?

You have not found any mistakes so I think that you are raising only unimportant points .
See,, I am telling you I have and I am saying they are not unimportant.
Quote
I again say that I have test it with some wooden tracks and It will work.There is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this design .
I have also  consult with a very good physics Professor and he is also agree with me that it must work.

if you don't believe me then you can try it and I'm 101% sure that you will found same result as I found.

I give up.

You are wrong,  you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong,, I think that is how the conversation is going to go.

I tried to get you to be able to see more of what is going on within the system than you do,, but I failed.

Please post a picture of a working device,, that will prove that I am wrong.

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 01:34:54 PM »

memoryman

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2017, 04:30:01 PM »
It is clear that Mr.Gupta lacks a basic understanding of physics and is not willing to actually build a working model, because then he would see that it will not and can not work.

citfta

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2017, 05:29:00 PM »
Dear Sir,

I think one point is clear that you have not done work on seesaw system ever as you are only raising unimportant points like how can one side go down without connecting the middle track?
When the side of seesaw will come down then it will be attached with middle track due to adjoining  like railway tracks .it is very simple and I don't see any problem and all others members will be also agree with me.
You can try it with using two measuring scales .
I have already mentioned that the middle track will be stable and its only a path to transfer the ball from left to right and right to left.
Now you say that how the  seesaw will be inclined so I also have mentioned that a lever connected with a motor will work to inclined the left side BALANCED seesaw using minimum force.
You have not found any mistakes so I think that you are raising only unimportant points .I again say that I have test it with some wooden tracks and It will work.There is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this design .
I have also  consult with a very good physics Professor and he is also agree with me that it must work.

if you don't believe me then you can try it and I'm 101% sure that you will found same result as I found.

Other members do see that you are NOT correct in your thinking.  And I have not seen anyone that agrees you are correct.  You don't understand the very basics of physics.  I also do not believe you have actually built a working model.  If you have, then please post a picture of it because the drawings you have posted cannot possibly work.

Respectfully,
Carroll

wheatbelt

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 06:20:59 PM »
Hi all, i see a possible improvement,

as the ball is raised too begin another cycle, the housing it is raised in should be circluar instead of square as indicated in the drawing, - this way you can impart a rotation of the object which can then be maintained throughout the process untill finding its resonance speed too blend with the system,

regards,

somalia

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 06:20:59 PM »

vikram_gupta11

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 11:58:53 AM »
Dear Sir,
At first i'm very very sorry if you have hurt ,but believe me my intention was not to hurt you.
please come again to conversation and here is solution of your mention problem . The sketch was wrong .
See these two latest  attached sketch and I hope these will be useful to solve the problem.

You mentioned a problem of braking which will be occurred  due to middle track when seesaw arm will come down  and the rolling ball will be stopped by this middle track brake.

I have already thought about it so I mentioned that this is not a important problem.The diameter of rolling ball will be a solution to cross this brake as the surface area will be increased so the ball can easily cross the brake.

Secondly,I test it with a ball having diameter of 50 centimeter,mass 150 gram,  slope length 50 centimeter ,and brake distance 4 to 5 mm.When I released the ball it easily crossed the brake and traveled 1.5 meter distance.I also test it with a small ball having diameter of 20 centimeter and brake height 2 mm and its also crossed the brake very easily and traveled 1.5 meter.So I say this is not an important problem as these problem can be sort out very easily.

But OK! no problem Here is a unique solution .To solve this problem a change in the design of seesaw Arm will be sufficient.
As per sketch a slightly bent arm can easily solve this problem .The middle track  is only a path to transport the ball.due to this slightly bent arm the length will be reduced more of middle track as front  straight part of this arm will work as a middle track.The length of straight part of this arm will be very very less than bented part.
There will be also an advantage of this arm the it will work to increase the velocity of ball during inclining  and arriving due to gravity.

there is also a question that if we increase the diameter or size of ball then friction will be increased but I would like to attract the attention that due to slightly bent arm of seesaw the velocity of ball will be increased  which will work against the friction .another important point is that input force  will also work to increase the velocity of ball .
Thus the ball will be arrived very easily on second seesaw arm.

Sir,I'm again very much sorry .

Vikram Kumar Gupta

webby1

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2017, 02:12:51 PM »
Dear Sir,
At first i'm very very sorry if you have hurt ,
Vikram Kumar Gupta

Not hurt in any way and I am not interested in what you have.

Have a good day.

vikram_gupta11

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2017, 06:03:22 AM »
Thank you Sir! No matter. someone another will take interest As I am very much right. this design will work and all problems mentioned by you are being solved.there is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this device.

memoryman

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2017, 02:53:54 PM »
"there is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this device" you are right: it is not feasible.

vikram_gupta11

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2017, 03:53:48 PM »
So tell me why this device is not feasible?
Explain it with some sketchesâ€‹ and describe technically.
I would like to tell you that a private company is taking very much interest in this design.

I shall be very grateful to you.
Vikram

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Re: Simple and low cost perpetual machine
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2017, 03:53:48 PM »