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Title: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on April 26, 2017, 09:48:47 AM
I'm presenting a very unique mathematically proved concept regarding an Energy technology to solve the problem of energy forever.The most important point is that it is being proved mathematically and will work really.
This technology will work to produce more output than input.


Principle:This technology is based on balanced mass and gravity.

Mechanism:As per sketch there will be  a SEESAW system and two 100 kilogram Iron ball will be mounted on the each Arm of this seesaw making it in balanced position.These Iron balls will be covered with two boxes but will free to move in the boxes .There will be two Linear or Piston generators attached with the lower surface of boxes to generate electricity.

A 10 watt motor will be attached with the right arm of this balanced seesaw with the help of a 'L' form crank to turn the seesaw towards up and down side.


HOW it will work?

When the 10 watt motor will press the right arm of seesaw with the help of 'L' form crank then this side will move towards down side but the left side of seesaw will move towards up side and a force will be create due to  which  100 kilogram Iron ball will be jumped up vertically and come down due to gravity .when this ball will come down then it will strike or hit with the piston or linear generator and this generator will move to generate energy.

In this way when right side arm will move towards upside then its 100 kilogram iron ball will move upside and will come down due to gravity and hit with piston generator and this generator will produce energy.

In this way both side will work turn by turn. There is a need of only 10 watt input as we can see that system is in a balanced position.



Mathematics Equations:
Suppose the 100 kilogram iron ball move up vertically up to 5 centimeter then ,

Potential Energy= m.g.h

Energy= 100*9.8*.05

energy=49 joule


Hence
Potential energy=Kinetic energy

 so the kinetic energy will be 49 joule or in other words the iron ball will strike with piston generator with 49 joule  to produce more output than input.

If we take only 50% efficiency of generator then it will also almost 25 watt and both arm's overall output will be 50 watt which  is 500% more than input as input is only 10 watt.

In this way this technology will work .There is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this tech.
If someone has doubts then please contact me as I'm ready to clear all doubts.
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: memoryman on April 26, 2017, 06:15:51 PM
Won't work.
The sum of potential energy in the balls is zero; so is the potential energy converted into kinetic energy.
Net result: energy losses in various frictions.
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on April 27, 2017, 02:30:09 AM
If you don't know nothing then you shouldn't comment like a child. I have calculated all energy losses and already mentioned about this  that the generator efficiency will be 50 % but it can be upto 70 to 80 % and energy output may be more than I calculated.
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: memoryman on April 27, 2017, 02:50:44 AM
"don't know nothing" is double negative meaning 'know something'.
Your math is both misapplied and wrong.
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on April 27, 2017, 02:57:28 AM
OK! then you please tell me the right maths to calculate the energy out put applied in this tech.
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: memoryman on April 27, 2017, 02:59:52 AM
You made the claim that it produces excess energy; YOU demonstrate it (you can't).
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on April 27, 2017, 03:11:18 AM
 it is being proved mathematically and it is sufficient .There is no doubt regarding the feasibility of this tech  and I don't have technical sources to build it.
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: memoryman on April 27, 2017, 03:22:13 AM
Your math is wrong and misapplied.
I have seen countless similar wrong claims. Don't waste your time.
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on April 27, 2017, 07:41:37 AM
So why are you not telling me right maths ?Tell me right math to applied in this tech.You have seen countless claims but no claim was presented  with  proven mathematics.There is no chance of any mistake in this concept so that you could find to prove it wrong.This is completely a overunity device.

Tell me right math  and prove it wrong mathematically if you have knowledge of  math.
 
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 27, 2017, 07:45:16 AM
This is a 2d design, it can be simulated by wm2d.

NASA uses wm2d.

Make a wm2d sim to know for sure, its better than math.

Theres 1000's of reason why hand calculation can be wrong.
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on April 27, 2017, 07:53:33 AM
There is no need of any kind of software to know the feasibility of this concept .If you have understood it and above all there are no chance of the wrong math in this device .
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: memoryman on April 27, 2017, 04:31:23 PM
1: gravity is conservative (look it up if you don't understand)
2: where do you get the 10W motor figure from?
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on April 28, 2017, 08:39:23 AM
The both 100 kg. mass can move freely in the box or in other words on the surface of piston generator.
The equation F=ma will be worked in a different way as here we are not turning an Imbalanced mass but a balanced system .if masses are equal or a seesaw is in equilibrium position then the applied force will be very very less to turn it.
I have used 10 watt or 10 newton force  so that anyone could understand it easily.
The mass will be jumped  due to applied force and due to free movement in the box as the arm will exert a force  on the masses.
Remember that the whole system is  in a balanced position untill a 10 watt or 10 newton force is not applied  but when 10 newton force will be applied then it will turn .I have put 5 centimeter jump figure to understand the concept as you also know that the masses will be jumped up to more height such as 10 cm. to 20 cm as it will be depend on the length of "L" form crank.If mass is balanced then according to F=ma the F=a or both 100 kg.mass will be accelerated  as per applied force.it is not necessary to take input 10 watt or 10 newton force .The input force can be 5 watt or 5 newton force.
 I have also mentioned that the efficiency of generator is 50% but it can be more 70 to 85% so it is very much clear that it will work.
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on April 29, 2017, 06:27:45 AM
How did you calculate the figure that a 10 watt motor will have to consume 4.9 joule energy?
10 watt motor will be not consumed energy to jump the masses as per your calculation.


If the mass is hitting with generator then the generator will produce 25 watt electricity with the  50%efficiency and if we take 70% efficiency of the generator then it will produce 35 watt and overall electricity output will be 70 watt by both generators as it is not necessary that the efficiency will be only 50 % of these generators.

You also know that to turn this seesaw there will be need of very less energy even I can turn it with the help of my finger tip or with my breathe so to jump the mass there will be need of very less energy.I have used 10 watt motor input to understand the concept and it is not necessary that the ball will jump up to only 5 centimeter .The balls can jump up to 10 to 20 centimeter if we use 10 watt or 10 newton force as a input .   F=ma will not work here as you think as masses are in balanced position .
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: citfta on April 29, 2017, 11:52:07 AM
How did you calculate the figure that a 10 watt motor will have to consume 4.9 joule energy?
10 watt motor will be not consumed energy to jump the masses as per your calculation.


If the mass is hitting with generator then the generator will produce 25 watt electricity with the  50%efficiency and if we take 70% efficiency of the generator then it will produce 35 watt and overall electricity output will be 70 watt by both generators as it is not necessary that the efficiency will be only 50 % of these generators.

You also know that to turn this seesaw there will be need of very less energy even I can turn it with the help of my finger tip or with my breathe so to jump the mass there will be need of very less energy.I have used 10 watt motor input to understand the concept and it is not necessary that the ball will jump up to only 5 centimeter .The balls can jump up to 10 to 20 centimeter if we use 10 watt or 10 newton force as a input .   F=ma will not work here as you think as masses are in balanced position .

The part I highlighted is only one of your many mistaken ideas.  It always takes force to move a mass.  It doesn't make any difference if the mass is balanced you still have to overcome the inertia of the mass.  And that takes force which you do not seem to understand.

Carroll
Title: Re: Mathematically proven Infinite energy machine based on balanced Mass
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on May 06, 2017, 01:14:39 PM
Dear Sir,
Thank you and my request to you consider this one also.