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Offline Dog-One

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2017, 03:07:07 AM »
And here again.  Edit the shit out of it Zephir.

Quick!  Hurry before someone notices.

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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2017, 03:36:22 AM »
Terms of service agreement [first paragraph]

Zephir broke this in the first sentence [and just got worse]

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.
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Offline Vortex1

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2017, 03:37:27 AM »
The problem with forums is that by their very nature and setup they are not designed to create a structured and managed approach to research and development.

One of my roles during my working life was as a director of research and development.

In that role it was necessary to identify new ideas that might be deemed worthy of research, narrow the list to what the budget could support and allocate the manpower according to the skills that were required to investigate the task, provide equipment and ancillary needs etc. and see the projects through to sometimes successful conclusions. There was much more in terms of managing the process, but those brief few sentences was most of it.

On forums it is a different story, forums are mainly friendship tinkering clubs with various factions that occasionally posture or argue with various other factions taking this or that side.

Everyone likes to have a place (like Cheers) where they can go and toss ideas around and see if it gets approval or not.

It is important to see it for what it is. Will there ever be a structured and progressive approach to research and development on forums? It could happen but I doubt it. It's just not in the nature of the beast.

Once in a while maybe luck will shine and a few good minds will collaborate and come up with some novel idea and develop it to the product level , but how often has anyone seen that in the history of forums for FE?

One definition of a forum is: "a public meeting place for open discussion"

Nowhere could I find in the definition of forums anything that included the research and development part of the process.

Forums can be a good collaborative tool with the right mix of minds. But that's just the starting point, maybe the 1% inspiration part, then needed is the 99% perspiration part.

It's important not to lose our sense of humor or take things too seriously. If we put our hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, did we leave an impression? forums are like the bucket of water, grasshopper.
 

Offline Dog-One

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2017, 04:32:44 AM »
One definition of a forum is: "a public meeting place for open discussion"

Public being the key word here.  If this were a private forum (all members must be
registered and logged in to see its content), things could be quite different and many
of the rules Stefan has to follow would vanish.

I'm a software guy and as such know that you make software to be a tool appropriate
for its use.  SMF 2.0.13 is actually a pretty poor tool for what it is we are doing here.
It is very unstructured, but it has a small benefit in this regard.  It's a place where
ideas can just pop in practically anonymous.  The majority of these ideas could be
easily dismissed, but somewhere in the minority is an idea that needs attention by
as many people that have the time and resources to pursue it.

What I'd like to see someone do someday is to develop a piece of software specifically
for the focus we have here.  Somewhat like a wiki with a front-end think tank.  Breakout
sessions could be automatically created and linked back to initial think tank comments.
This software should be able to fully support all media forms:  text, images, videos, CAD
and other simulation types.  The media would be stored on the supporting server
eliminating the need for youtube, falstad and such.  When a breakout session becomes
stale, it is locked and queries sent out to the contributors for any new information.
This software could have a project status dashboard for members to check on progress
or new projects.  The think tank section could have an interactive whiteboard with
circuit & mechanical drawing capabilities that is recorded and can be later edited and/or
referenced within the breakout sessions.  Project breakouts could be setup by invitation
so that functional teams that work well together, can do their thing in peace.  Maybe
include a sidebar for non-team members to make objective comments.

Make no mistake, if I had the time and patience to write and host such a software
package, I would have done it already, because it is sorely needed.


If we put our hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, did we leave an impression? forums are like the bucket of water, grasshopper.

Well said.

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2017, 07:30:37 AM »
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If we put our hand in a bucket of water and pull it out, did we leave an impression? forums are like the bucket of water, grasshopper

Well, in similar way like the bucket of water, it could splash out the standing layer of old dirt floating at its surface (and occasionally bring a new fresh dirt into it).. Just take it in this way: there are many privately moderated boards already, I'm just one of many moderators here, no exception.  If you don't want to visit this particular board, then there are many others, with threads cluttered with OT discussion already. Why not to have at least one regularly cleaned and sorted out board just for comparison?

IMO it wouldn't violate freedom of any readers here.

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MF 2.0.13 is actually a pretty poor tool for what it is we are doing here. It is very unstructured, but it has a small benefit in this regard.


Vortex1, Dog-One: I can only agree with everything what you said about this forum. New ideas are perfect, but once they emerge, they should get their dedicated place so that they wouldn't clutter the discussion about already existing ideas. Or the same principle which motivates the forum thinkers here would also lead into their gradual unmotivation *). A branched, multithreaded character of this forum would be therefore desirable. Something like the reddit already has - but with possibility for every long sub-thread to bubble up and to gain top position. Or to gradually lose it at the case of lost of attention. I mean an evolutionary tree of ideas spontaneously and dynamically formed with minimal intervention of administrators.

*) This is fundamental principle of emergence in dense aether model: every change or effect which promotes some phenomena also leads into its scattering and decay in a sufficiently wider (and also smaller) perspective. Every rule or truth has its upsides and also downsides and the scope of its validity remains limited in scope of time and space, no matter how large. A geometric basis of Goedel's incompleteness theorem, so to say. After all, my motivation in overunity research is just based on the belief in opposite side of causality.

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2017, 07:30:37 AM »
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2017, 12:48:29 PM »


"On forums it is a different story, forums are mainly friendship tinkering clubs with various factions that occasionally posture or argue with various other factions taking this or that side."


Yes i Agree that happens and persons like you seems have a special way to confront people, If not let us see ...

"NR made the comment "why it be bothering you"?

Actually I think a) it muddies the waters of energy research b) it accrues bad karma to the person who engages in that activity. Think of all the young wide eyed impressionable folk that try to build devices that don't deliver as advertised. All their frustration goes onto their wife, kids, dog, turtle ,goldfish etc,  then out into the universe only to return and land on the doorstep of the perpetrator. One way or another. "what goes around comes around".  :P never liked that saying.

I think we have a responsibility as scientific minded experimenters to be truthful in our affairs and not waste other peoples time or soon we accrue the (negative)karma."


Is not more easy to you say directly why you write such observations in other forum where persons can  answer to you ? 
That seems nice to you ?   I can "smell" a very bad karma in you , should i feel responsible by that ?

Or you prefer make jokes like :
"Look at that waveform! berserk mode is obviously the key to OU. Think my new motto will be:
 I'm going "berserk"  :D "


"You lead with a very good question. After reviewing a few of NR's videos and getting totally bored I'm thinking of bowing out before I bow in too far, but will probably get kicked out for that comment.

I'm sure you've seen it all and are quite tired of the "radiant" claims as am I."


And even that you continue here and in other forums talk about me and my work?
 Are you wasting your precious time make redraws of diagrams to what ? Are you contribute to "cheat" the persons  with my lies ? :) Regrettable such behavior.

Do not be a lamb in wolfskin , you have already age to To behave like a grown person and confront persons in right way .

What a good example of integrity and moral you have  to judge the others  .


Nelson Rocha






 









Offline hartiberlin

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2017, 01:40:05 PM »
I got quite a few complains about user Zephir
and I removed his moderator status now and put him on moderation and will only let pass
his messages, if there are no flaming statements included...

Sorry to all, I am pretty busy with another project, so I don´t have much time to
read the forum in this moment.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)

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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2017, 01:40:05 PM »
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Offline webby1

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2017, 02:16:46 PM »
Thank you Stefan.

Offline ramset

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2017, 06:03:30 PM »
Well
there is no one here who is happy with this kind of decision [having to moderate
there are actually very few who even like moderation at all.

It has been many years here that certain fellows make an extra big commitment towards this path of research
we have people globally who will travel to test devices or assist in testing Claims

we have replicators here who will give the ideas or claims which can be replicated their best effort
  recently these men and their integrity was Directly assaulted by a member here ,tearing into the moral
as well as effecting public opinion .

this brings everything we touch here into question ?

   Here there should never be just one members word taken as gospel on a claim[dismissing], there are always multiple eyes and benches working on claims.

Checks and balances .

It is also true that here we have a unique scenario with undefined claims in a recent presented circuit .

this can be problematic.
here I must make a confession ,

For many years I have utilized the mentorship of many of these serious men, I have truly learned to adore some and just be grateful to others !
in the process of doing this I have learned we all have limitations ,here the sciences mix and combine in paths which can be quite unique.

we all need each other [even the perspective of the Zephir]

My confession here is I asked TinselKoala to investigate This circuit, supply pathetically small funds for the work he has done
so far
and day one he posts his initial runup ,barely even test drove it yet ,just showing he built it [he has huge list to investigate ]

and a man who hasn't built the circuit steps out and attacks his efforts as disingenuous and reinforces his deluded claim.. yet again about all the Builders here.[purposely hiding OU

the rest of the story you have seen in the last few weeks...
yeesh
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here we actually have a very good group of men who can replicate and look at claims globally
here we also have access to the scientific establishment for assistance [if need be]

these relationships have been a long time in the making ,seeing the sledgehammer of ignorance attack these
men ...
truly  criminal.

If we can keep terms of service agreement here as the law of the forum?
we can invite many claims and site visits to the menu here.

our attachment to the scientific community enables this [opens many doors]

respect must rule the day here, all claims need facts ,and there should NEVER be lies printed here [especially members].


There is a group hug scheduled for 6 oclock

attendance not mandatory

respectfully
Chet K




Offline webby1

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2017, 06:18:05 PM »
I for one enjoy some of the sidetrack moments of some threads,, I think sometimes there is a lot of information in some of those sidetracks.

Who knows what will drive inspiration,, a comment from out of the blue may spark that "moment".

I like the FACT that if I make a claim here there are those with all of the skills needed to show me where I went wrong or substantiate my claim,, either way it is a learning experience and a good thing.

My opinion is that we all have our own opinions.

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Offline Grumage

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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2017, 08:34:37 PM »
I got quite a few complains about user Zephir
and I removed his moderator status now and put him on moderation and will only let pass
his messages, if there are no flaming statements included...

Sorry to all, I am pretty busy with another project, so I don´t have much time to
read the forum in this moment.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)

Dear Stefan.

No need to apologise, better late than never !!

Now the fires are extinguished we can get back to work.

Cheers Grum.

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2017, 09:12:00 PM »
Terms of service agreement [first paragraph]

Zephir broke this in the first sentence [and just got worse]

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.
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So in essence topics like:

Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
etc..etc....

Violate the terms and should be removed immediately!

Also all that Russian OU Bull and every other post claiming OU.
REMOVE IT because it is very misleading to newcomers who are new to electronics and thinking out of the box.

Offline ramset

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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2017, 09:26:55 PM »
Basically
This particular incident has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted here.

false accusations were made against longtime experimenters and replicators here.

and those false accusations [as well as very disruptive behavior]
led to this result.
it you have any questions on terms of service here

read it again.

respectfully
Chet K

Offline Vortex1

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2017, 09:35:59 PM »
So in essence topics like:

Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Ufo propu engine, closed loop
Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
etc..etc....

Violate the terms and should be removed immediately!

Also all that Russian OU Bull and every other post claiming OU.
REMOVE IT because it is very misleading to newcomers who are new to electronics and thinking out of the box.

Maybe the thread need not be removed but can be presented with a more honest title like:

"Attempts at replicating a "claimed" overunity device"

or "Attempts at replicating a "supposedly" overunity device"

"Kapadnaze Cousin Dally unverified free energy"

In this case the initiator of the thread is inviting others  to replicate and test the veracity of the claimant, and the title reader is implicitly  forewarned that it may or may not be a real working as advertised device, and the purpose of the thread is to check out the claims of the claimant by replication or other means.

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Re: THE RANT ROOM
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2017, 12:03:00 AM »
Basically
This particular incident has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted here.

false accusations were made against longtime experimenters and replicators here.

and those false accusations [as well as very disruptive behavior]
led to this result.
it you have any questions on terms of service here

read it again.

respectfully
Chet K


I read it again and if you register to this site: 'you agree, trough your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false'.


This is no incident, this whole forum is full of false OU claims!


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