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Title: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on April 25, 2017, 03:09:27 PM
Hi, i wasn´t sure where to put this post or thread in the Tesla threads, Solid state, or here but i decided to put it here.

I am just getting started to check out Dr Stifflers SEC technology, and i have watched some of Stifflers videos, along with Jonny Davro and Lidmotors, and from that it seems very promising.
I am reading the pdf from Panacea BOCAF also, and that also seems very promising.

But when i am checking out the posts on the forums, it seems like people doesn´t have very much success, and there are some kind of pessimistic outlook on it, it seems, at least to me.

I have played with a Slayer exciter, and all that, but i haven´t gotten to put a working SEC together yet.
I am going to try to breadboard a basic SEC soon.

Ok, anyway, i wanted to ask if there are members here that have tried the SEC and that are willing to share their experience and thoughts on it.

From what i can take from it all is that it is a "high powered", or some kind of high tech Joule Thief, but if Stifflers claims are true, it should be a very useful technology that i find interesting.

Thanks in advance. /F.   
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: pomodoro on April 26, 2017, 02:47:49 PM
I'm sure a few people here must have built his stuff but can't be bothered answering. I built one or two of his circuits, but lost interest. Just like the current gizmo being investigated at the moment, there is a lot of investigation and then there will be total disinterest. While stiffler was providing some hints every now and then the thread kept going strong and then died real quick with no apparent reason. It just ran out of steam. I recommend you try the circuits out only if you have a good 100Mhz scope and actually know RF electronics, otherwise you will be amazed , but only by normal, well understood phenomena, that is not OU but none the less interesting.Stiffler is a very smart guy,but got agro real fast when challenged.


He's got a lot of interesting vids but good luck replicating his OU ones,.
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on April 26, 2017, 05:16:23 PM
I'm sure a few people here must have built his stuff but can't be bothered answering. I built one or two of his circuits, but lost interest. Just like the current gizmo being investigated at the moment, there is a lot of investigation and then there will be total disinterest. While stiffler was providing some hints every now and then the thread kept going strong and then died real quick with no apparent reason. It just ran out of steam. I recommend you try the circuits out only if you have a good 100Mhz scope and actually know RF electronics, otherwise you will be amazed , but only by normal, well understood phenomena, that is not OU but none the less interesting.Stiffler is a very smart guy,but got agro real fast when challenged.


He's got a lot of interesting vids but good luck replicating his OU ones,.

I am not very firmilar with RF electronics and I am just getiting starten with electronics, but I am not super serious with it Anyway.

As most of us have realized by now o/u is very rare it seems but that not what i am interested in right now.

I really appreciqte you responding to my post, but I really have to keep this short.  :)

/F
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: ramset on April 26, 2017, 06:14:45 PM
recently we had an attack on members here so I have been apprehensive about sharing results from Builders here.
it seems the problem is being addressed .

yes there are many who built Dr.Stiffler's circuits and I myself purchased some

one member in particular did amazing work,I have not spoken with him in Months ,I will see if he wants to contribute  here.
I was going to reach out for him On JackNoskills work[ambient harvesting thread here

and I will mention your thread

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: pomodoro on April 27, 2017, 01:33:19 PM

Stifflers YouTube channel is still there with all the cool yet simple electronic circuits. Check out the first of the Specials, where bursts of undamped RF seemingly come out of a coil only grounded at one end, and couple to the other coil to power a bank of LEDs through an AV plug. No need for the SCE driver just a 2Hz SIG gen.
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: anomdeguerre on August 12, 2017, 10:59:17 AM
Breadboarding a SEC might prove problematic. Inductances are critical. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying be aware. Don't know if stifflers thread is still here but I'm guessing it is. Read it all. Ignore the trolls like mile high, tinsel koala, etc.
Have fun.
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: AlienGrey on August 14, 2017, 08:06:26 PM
Hi I use to follow Dr Stifflers thread, some years ago he also had a web page where he showed a SEC exciter using a CPU mains filter I posted it on the Dally thread but no comments from it another guy a Canadian Kid Kleen (some name like that} had 30 odd Leds running on free energy using a pile of rewound ferrite rod Aerials, i'm prety sure he had an earth. probably tuned to the resonance of the coils.

Chet i don't see any derogatory comments here, but I dare say that's nothing to go by.

Allen

Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: anomdeguerre on August 15, 2017, 08:48:28 AM
recently we had an attack on members here so I have been apprehensive about sharing results from Builders here.
it seems the problem is being addressed .

yes there are many who built Dr.Stiffler's circuits and I myself purchased some

one member in particular did amazing work,I have not spoken with him in Months ,I will see if he wants to contribute  here.
I was going to reach out for him On JackNoskills work[ambient harvesting thread here

and I will mention your thread

respectfully
Chet K
I remember you getting one Chetty, you never did anything with it if I recall. Instead of letting it collect dust why don't you sell it to Antimony?
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on October 16, 2017, 03:49:02 PM
I am sorry to bump this thread, but i didnt know that i had so many responses in it.
I have been busy studying Stifflers work, what pdfs i can find with a simple google search, YT and the forum threads, but I feel that there are much information/papers that he put out that I cant seem to find.
Are there anyone that has collected his papers and are willing to Share them with me? :)

I know that his SEC may not be OU but I dont really care about that as it is fascinating stuff. :)

Thanks guys, and sorry that i havent responded, if I have offended someone. Just kidding. :)

Also, were there someone that had a board and that are willing to maybe sell it to me?
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: ramset on October 16, 2017, 04:13:10 PM
If I can find mine your welcome to it ...[since your sharing your experiments here.
 Been quite a few years , will scrounge/look around a bit more

I have been told it runs on similar principle as this,

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/avramenkos-plug.113938/

We do have an associate whom I have not spoken to for many months [still have not due to eye surgeries and an inability to read ], 
and he is an amazing  experimenter and open source builder.

I am feeling better and will try to find his contact and give him a ring in the next few days.

respectfully
Chet
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: ramset on October 17, 2017, 01:15:42 AM
Have not called our friend yet, but another reader shared these PDF's for you today.

Chet
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on October 17, 2017, 05:20:32 PM
If I can find mine your welcome to it ...[since your sharing your experiments here.
 Been quite a few years , will scrounge/look around a bit more

I have been told it runs on similar principle as this,

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/avramenkos-plug.113938/

We do have an associate whom I have not spoken to for many months [still have not due to eye surgeries and an inability to read ], 
and he is an amazing  experimenter and open source builder.

I am feeling better and will try to find his contact and give him a ring in the next few days.

respectfully
Chet

That would be 😎.  From what I have gathered the board is also play a pretty vital part in the whole packade,  so it would be interesting to test it out for myself.

If someone would be willing to talk to me and answer som basic questions, i would be happy with that.

Also, thanks for the pdfs, one of them was new to me. :)
And also thanks for taking your time to help me out. :)
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: ramset on October 17, 2017, 06:30:32 PM
antimony
there is no doubt that I still have the original Stiffler SEC
I just need My crystal ball to find where I hid it...[from the misses cleaning hands]  :'(

However My Crystal ball is in the shop undergoing a much needed calibration /tune up .
In the mean time I'll keep looking in all the old hiding places...

however we may have others who know where they can get their hands on one ,I'll ask around.

Chet
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: AlienGrey on October 18, 2017, 02:13:43 PM
It sounds like you have been watching the re runs of Patricia Arquette's, 'Medium' but isn't the east coast of DC state one of the most reported haunted places on the planet ??
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: ramset on October 18, 2017, 03:04:08 PM
AG
Not sure about That claim to fame ,I personally don't touch anything "Para" even with the ten foot pole.. :o

One thing I must say...I can't believe all the hidden treasures I'm finding in the Quest for the missing SEC...

Yeesh

still hunting albeit slowly.

Chet
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: AlienGrey on October 18, 2017, 05:15:06 PM
AG
Not sure about That claim to fame ,I personally don't touch anything "Para" even with the ten foot pole.. :o

One thing I must say...I can't believe all the hidden treasures I'm finding in the Quest for the missing SEC...

Yeesh

still hunting albeit slowly.

Chet
Re Dr Stiffler  some time ago published a circuit 1 transistor a biffilar mains filter out of an pld PC power unit, some r's and 'c and a tank coil he got it to light a what looked like a 20 or 40 W candle candescent light bulb, never did get a reply from an e-mail on the component values or it's center frequency. Don't know if i have the data or not now but it was on the Daily thread some where.

AG
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: ramset on October 18, 2017, 05:58:32 PM
would seem ambient harvesting or even simple methods to create a "potential " need a fresh look.
especially very simple and basic circuits like this one ,would also be good to have methods to establish a Benchmark
for Gain claims.

I suppose we could get some values [answers] to your Email query ,we certainly had enuff fellows who investigated this.
and there is no doubt the quality of experiments and experimenters  has grown tremendously in recent years ...at this forum and elsewhere.

Chet




Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on October 18, 2017, 06:14:06 PM
would seem ambient harvesting or even simple methods to create a "potential " need a fresh look.
especially very simple and basic circuits like this one ,would also be good to have methods to establish a Benchmark
for Gain claims.

I suppose we could get some values [answers] to your Email query ,we certainly had enuff fellows who investigated this.
and there is no doubt the quality of experiments and experimenters  has grown tremendously in recent years ...at this forum and elsewhere.

Chet

Yeah, i myself are just starting out with this stuff. I have an oscilloscope that i really haven´t learned to use correctly yet, and a $50 signal generator, so i am not the right man for the job, but i will do what i can.

I have had some contact with Dr through email, but i feel that i don´t want to bother him with stuff that i probably can find out through the documentation.
Also he wrote that he have had some health problems this year, so he are probably not up for guiding a noob like me, at least not right now. :)

Re Dr Stiffler  some time ago published a circuit 1 transistor a biffilar mains filter out of an pld PC power unit, some r's and 'c and a tank coil he got it to light a what looked like a 20 or 40 W candle candescent light bulb, never did get a reply from an e-mail on the component values or it's center frequency. Don't know if i have the data or not now but it was on the Daily thread some where.

AG

That would be interesting to hear some more about.

antimony
there is no doubt that I still have the original Stiffler SEC
I just need My crystal ball to find where I hid it...[from the misses cleaning hands]  :'(

However My Crystal ball is in the shop undergoing a much needed calibration /tune up .
In the mean time I'll keep looking in all the old hiding places...

however we may have others who know where they can get their hands on one ,I'll ask around.

Chet

I would be very gratful if you would. :) Thanks mate.

AG
Not sure about That claim to fame ,I personally don't touch anything "Para" even with the ten foot pole.. :o

One thing I must say...I can't believe all the hidden treasures I'm finding in the Quest for the missing SEC...

Yeesh

still hunting albeit slowly.

Chet

Yeah, i can understand what you mean. I am also in the process of cleaning the attic, and i have also found so much stuff that i have totally forgot about. :)
It always fun. :)
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: AlienGrey on October 18, 2017, 11:29:07 PM
Chet I'm trying to find it, any way have a look at this PDF

http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/2012News/imagesnews12/PanaceaSECDr.Stiffler.pdf
also thisd might be of interest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JDBYKX5CcU
ag
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: ramset on October 19, 2017, 02:38:24 PM
ag
thanks
I'm trying to get caught up on 8 months of things I could not do...
just ripped the entire roof off the side porch yesterday and gotta get it closed up before the rain comes
hard to do things without the other eye ,a bit scary climbing around without depth perception.

I see Panacea in one of your Links
I wonder what ever happened to Ash ?
been many years since I last spoke with him?

thanks for your contributions

Note to antimony
I did not know that Dr. Stiffler was not feeling well ?
hope he is on the mend...
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on October 20, 2017, 01:35:54 PM
Chet I'm trying to find it, any way have a look at this PDF

http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/2012News/imagesnews12/PanaceaSECDr.Stiffler.pdf
also thisd might be of interest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JDBYKX5CcU
ag

I am reading, and re-reading that pdf for the 100th time now. It has been a really helpful document for me at least.

I will check out the yt-link right away.

ag
thanks
I'm trying to get caught up on 8 months of things I could not do...
just ripped the entire roof off the side porch yesterday and gotta get it closed up before the rain comes
hard to do things without the other eye ,a bit scary climbing around without depth perception.

I see Panacea in one of your Links
I wonder what ever happened to Ash ?
been many years since I last spoke with him?

thanks for your contributions

Note to antimony
I did not know that Dr. Stiffler was not feeling well ?
hope he is on the mend...

I know what you mean. Not about the depth perception, but having things to do that have been put off. But some day you have to take care of them, before it all collapses. :)

I have tried to contact Panacea, but i haven´t gotten a response, so maybe they are inactive as for now. That would be a real shame, becouse i have learned so much from their information that they have put out, like the Stiffler pdf that AG posted, for example.

I found a video posted by Ash on YT, about the tuning of the PSEC, and that video is really heavy, but really helpful. Much much information that are really valueble. I have learned more these last couple of weeks then in the last couple of years. It is a wonderful feeling when that coil drops, right? :)

Yeah, i don´t know the Dr or anything, but i have had some correspondance, and he wrote that he have had some rough times this spring, but he is recovering from what i can gather.
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on October 23, 2017, 03:24:03 PM
What is that? Am i missing something?  :P
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: ramset on October 23, 2017, 03:33:37 PM
no
Kampen made a slip of the keyboard [things happen??]

here is the thread he started

http://overunity.com/17476/magnet-motor-solved-see-the-video-clip-on-ou/msg512022/#new

Chet
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: kampen on October 23, 2017, 08:00:07 PM
@ All,

Sorry, for the message above: posted in a wrong topic and I do not know how to delete it!
Was working on a laptop..... :(   
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on October 24, 2017, 01:02:10 PM
@ All,

Sorry, for the message above: posted in a wrong topic and I do not know how to delete it!
Was working on a laptop..... :(

It´s ok ofcourse. I just thought that i had missed something important. The video seem very interesting. I am always interested in carbon, graphite/graphene so i will check it out. :)
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on October 28, 2017, 12:15:39 AM
Hi, I would just like to ask if someone please could take a look at this link that is a mirror of Dr Stifflers old website (i think), and say if there is complete, or if it is information missing?

http://www.tuks.nl/mirror/drstiffler/

I understand if this is a dumb question, and i dont demand that you should memorize this site that havent been up for 5 + years.
But if there are something that sticks out to you, please let me know.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on October 30, 2017, 11:35:55 AM
Hi again. Sorry to bump this thread again, but I would like to ask if someone has any experience with how to find the spatial resonant frequency with the FFT function and a signal generator.

I have tried to tackle this problem yesterday, but it may be that my signal generator is not good enough, or that i am doing it all wrong.

Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: itsu on October 30, 2017, 04:51:58 PM

Dr Stiffler has obviously:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOq7-WsL5c

Itsu
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on October 31, 2017, 01:31:43 PM
Dr Stiffler has obviously:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOq7-WsL5c

Itsu

I am just getting started learning to use my oscilloscope, and i am having trouble with the FFT function.
But you are right. I just got so frustrated with it, but I will figure it out. :)


Thanks.
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: itsu on October 31, 2017, 03:36:01 PM

Quote
I am just getting started learning to use my oscilloscope, and i am having trouble with the FFT function.
But you are right. I just got so frustrated with it, but I will figure it out. (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)


Thanks.


antimony,

no problem, i think the best way to measure is to use the scope in normal (not FFT) mode and tune for max. signal.
I used a kacher/tesla secondary coil for the measurments in the below video.
I know it resonates around 1Mhz when in a kacher / tesla coil like setup.

In the video i use severall methods to measure the spatial or self resonance of this coil, the normal scope way, the FFT way and the spectrum analyzer way.

Hope it makes some sense now.

video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1H0XktYNjQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1H0XktYNjQ)

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: profitis on October 31, 2017, 04:44:46 PM
" I just got so frustrated with it, but I
will figure it out."

Try to focus on more detour andc less detail silly
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on November 02, 2017, 01:21:12 PM

antimony,

no problem, i think the best way to measure is to use the scope in normal (not FFT) mode and tune for max. signal.
I used a kacher/tesla secondary coil for the measurments in the below video.
I know it resonates around 1Mhz when in a kacher / tesla coil like setup.

In the video i use severall methods to measure the spatial or self resonance of this coil, the normal scope way, the FFT way and the spectrum analyzer way.

Hope it makes some sense now.

video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1H0XktYNjQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1H0XktYNjQ)

Regards Itsu

I think i have seen it, and it was very informative, but as i am a slow learner i haven´t got it 100% yet. :)

Thanks for taking your time Itsu.

Edit. Cool, i havent seen this one yet, so thanks mate. :) I am going to take a peek at it right away.

I didn´t get that it was for me until you said it in the beginning, so thank you very much for taking you time to do the video.

I am going to try the same thing as you did, with the information that you provided in the video.

But i think that it may be my cheap signal generator that keeps me from achieving success, but i will keep trying.
As you may already know, i am new to this, but this signal gen is the one i got if you want to take a look at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o5MzTOzZo4
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: itsu on November 02, 2017, 02:26:50 PM

Looks like a fairly decent function generator to me and i am sure you can do the same test as i did using your coil assumming the spatial or self resonance of your coil is not higher
then the 24Mhz your FG can supply.

I do advice to use an isolation transformer as suggested in the Test Video of that device as it seems poorly isolated from mains (50 or 60Hz), see 12min. into the video.
Not for this test, but when using it on more delicate circuits it could possible damage something.


Itsu
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on November 09, 2017, 11:55:00 AM
Looks like a fairly decent function generator to me and i am sure you can do the same test as i did using your coil assumming the spatial or self resonance of your coil is not higher
then the 24Mhz your FG can supply.

I do advice to use an isolation transformer as suggested in the Test Video of that device as it seems poorly isolated from mains (50 or 60Hz), see 12min. into the video.
Not for this test, but when using it on more delicate circuits it could possible damage something.


Itsu

Oh, that´s good to hear about the signal generator. I am going to look at your videos again, and study them as i haven´t had that much free time these last 5 days or so, but you should know that i really appreciate your help.

I am going to have some time from tomorrow morning, and this weekend, so i am going to start up again with the project.
Mine are not 24 Mhz (just 2 Mhz), and dont have all those waveforms though. Other then that they are the same, i think.
Here is the one i have. That i am sure of 100% :)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2MHz-Dual-Channel-DDS-Function-Signal-Generator-Sine-Square-Wave-Sweep-Counter-/281466585560

Sorry to "trick" you, but this is the one i really have. I was in a bit of a rush when i posted the link to the first one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ-i6lOTT9k

I am going to watch the video, to see what you are referring to. :)

Thanks again Itsu.
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on November 13, 2017, 06:22:11 PM
I connected an earth ground to the negative of a SEC and it lit up 9 white LEDs dimly, and i just had to ask you guys if this is something unusual, or whatever?

Maybe this is totally normal, but I was just blown away as this is totally new to me.

Here is a link to a short video.

https://youtu.be/48iKKC3AOZQ
Title: Re: Dr Ronald Stiffler SEC technology
Post by: antimony on November 14, 2017, 04:51:27 PM
I connected an earth ground to the negative of a SEC and it lit up 9 white LEDs dimly, and i just had to ask you guys if this is something unusual, or whatever?

Maybe this is totally normal, but I was just blown away as this is totally new to me.

Here is a link to a short video.

https://youtu.be/48iKKC3AOZQ

Could this be the same as in one of Stifflers own videos where he was exciting one of his antenna coils from ground, in a Aluminium pan?

If so, did the Al-pan aCT as an antenna of sorts in that case?

I am going to see if I can find a link to that video.
It is on his youtube channel.