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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2017, 02:09:33 AM »
OK, now you can exchange your opinions here in piece and occasionally I'll delete it as a whole.

It's not my intention to promote here anything, which isn't directly related to overunity research.
Internet is already full of Facebook and similar social clubs.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2017, 05:50:12 AM by Zephir »

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2017, 05:18:10 AM »
Some many years ago, when the pressure would build and people began cluttering the good research areas with their frustrations, I created a thread called "THE RANT ROOM" where you could go and blow off steam, rant and rave and relieve pent up frustrations.

When you been around forums a long time you see certain patterns emerge, false prophets and wide eyed followers. They all have a certain form and pattern easily detectable.

Those who pretend to know what they don't know. The crumb droppers.  The POSERS Those who say:"Just read this "Secret  Of" book or follow my shaky blurry videos and you will know the secret".

They won't just tell you the secret 'cause they don't know it. They are hoping you'll stumble on something and report it.

Fact is: no one here knows exactly the "how to" of free energy or at least I certainly don't. But over the years on this and other forums, I have seen the posers in action with their sycophant following.

So I wrote this little parable some time back for  amusement and am posting it again in good fun, for amusement and  laugh if it helps.
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The Parable of Elitus Pompus, Most High, and the Unworthy Neophytes

A crowd is gathered, Elitus Pompus, Most High Priest of the Temple of St. Telesa is giving his presence and blessing to a crowd of neophytes gathered at his feet.

"Master.....master", upspake one of the neophytes "Tell us again of the story of The Holy Radiant Light and how we may be worthy to receive it"

Elitus Pompus stroked his beard, looked up at the clouds, then lowered his vision and beamed his eyes into the crowd and replied impatiently and in a sing-song tone "How many times have I told you that story, have you not read the Scripture of St. Telesa? Only the most worthy are open to revelation of the secrets of the scripture, but by the grace of my presence I will tell you again.

You, lower than low,  will only be worthy to receive of the Holy Radiant Light when you have read the scriptures at least 6.....err was it 5 times, maybe 7,... no 6........yeah thats it.......6 times. During that time you must fast and pray eating only the Most Holy crumbs dropping from the table where the High Priests have their repast.

"You must cover yourself in sackcloth, and go into the Holy Temple and observe the emanations of the Sparkus Gappus, not all the way in the temple, but on your knees towards the back for you are not even yet worthy of this".

"You must have received at least one visitation of the mighty feathered angel Blabemus the protector".

"You must go into your closet and pray, then you will receive the blessing of the swirling whorl and the "Espresso Machinus"

"Then you must beg for alms in the streets, giving all that you have collected to the High Priests, that their Sacred Ego's may be maintained in comfort".

"Then and only then may you be deemed worthy to receive a glimpse of the Holy Radiant Light Event".

"But Master", one of the neophytes chimed nervously, "we have done all these things, still we have not been graced with the Light".

Elitus Pompus sternly replied "How dare you ask again and have the nerve to ask for more" he went on more harshly,  rapping the knuckles of the supplicant with his cane "Have I not given unto you my razzle-dazzle, and my hocus-pocus, still you ask ? You, who are not worthy to touch even the gilded edge of my robe? Go back to the scriptures and read again and do more penance, then you may be worthy.

He went on now in a rage "and how many of you have even opened the book of St. Telesa the Sparkus Maximus. Do any of you even have a notion of the worth of his gospels?"

The neophytes took out small whips from their robes and while weeping began flagellating themselves in penance. One of them cried out "Oh master, forgive us for we are unworthy and know not what we ask"

The crowd began to quickly break up and Elitus Pompus walked brusquely away muttering to himself:

"Damn neophytes ask too many questions and want to much of us, as if we had all the answers". Don't they understand, this is a #$%&@(? Mystery School not a Science Club".

The end.
     
« Last Edit: April 24, 2017, 01:38:56 PM by Vortex1 »

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Re: Inventors and replicators - social aspects of overunity community
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2017, 10:26:33 AM »
Some many years ago, when the pressure would build and people began cluttering the good research areas with their frustrations, I created a thread called "THE RANT ROOM" where you could go and blow off steam, rant and rave and relieve pent up frustrations.

When you been around forums a long time you see certain patterns emerge, false prophets and wide eyed followers. They all have a certain form and pattern easily detectable.

Those who pretend to know what they don't know. The crumb droppers.  The POSERS Those who say:"Just read this "Secret  Of" book or follow my shaky blurry videos and you will know the secret".

They won't just tell you the secret 'cause they don't know it. They are hoping you'll stumble on something and report it.

Fact is: no one here knows exactly the "how to" of free energy or at least I certainly don't. But over the years on this and other forums, I have seen the posers in action with their sycophant following.

So I wrote this little parable some time back for  amusement and am posting it again in good fun, for amusement and  laugh if it helps.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Parable of Elitus Pompus, Most High, and the Unworthy Neophytes

A crowd is gathered, Elitus Pompus, Most High Priest of the Temple of St. Telesa is giving his presence and blessing to a crowd of neophytes gathered at his feet.

"Master.....master", upspake one of the neophytes "Tell us again of the story of The Holy Radiant Light and how we may be worthy to receive it"

Elitus Pompus stroked his beard, looked up at the clouds, then lowered his vision and beamed his eyes into the crowd and replied impatiently and in a sing-song tone "How many times have I told you that story, have you not read the Scripture of St. Telesa? Only the most worthy are open to revelation of the secrets of the scripture, but by the grace of my presence I will tell you again.

You, lower than low,  will only be worthy to receive of the Holy Radiant Light when you have read the scriptures at least 6.....err was it 5 times, maybe 7,... no 6........yeah thats it.......6 times. During that time you must fast and pray eating only the Most Holy crumbs dropping from the table where the High Priests have their repast.

"You must cover yourself in sackcloth, and go into the Holy Temple and observe the emanations of the Sparkus Gappus, not all the way in the temple, but on your knees towards the back for you are not even yet worthy of this".

"You must have received at least one visitation of the mighty feathered angel Blabemus the protector".

"You must go into your closet and pray, then you will receive the blessing of the swirling whorl and the "Espresso Machinus"

"Then you must beg for alms in the streets, giving all that you have collected to the High Priests, that their Sacred Ego's may be maintained in comfort".

"Then and only then may you be deemed worthy to receive a glimpse of the Holy Radiant Light Event".

"But Master", one of the neophytes chimed nervously, "we have done all these things, still we have not been graced with the Light".

Elitus Pompus sternly replied "How dare you ask again and have the nerve to ask for more" he went on more harshly,  rapping the knuckles of the supplicant with his cane "Have I not given unto you my razzle-dazzle, and my hocus-pocus, still you ask ? You, who are not worthy to touch even the gilded edge of my robe? Go back to the scriptures and read again and do more penance, then you may be worthy.

He went on now in a rage "and how many of you have even opened the book of St. Telesa the Sparkus Maximus. Do any of you even have a notion of the worth of his gospels?"

The neophytes took out small whips from their robes and while weeping began flagellating themselves in penance. One of them cried out "Oh master, forgive us for we are unworthy and know not what we ask"

The crowd began to quickly break up and Elitus Pompus walked brusquely away muttering to himself:

"Damn neophytes ask too many questions and want to much of us, as if we had all the answers". Don't they understand, this is a god@@am Mystery School not a Science Club".

The end.
   


Are you in "berserk" mode ? seems so .

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2017, 11:13:12 AM »
What shall for me the "ou-device" perform ? Giving grid-/infra-structure freedome !

The ability to use rural land as "home area" without to pay horrend money for land !
The ability to use electricity as e-mobil drive energy !

                       The ability to serve electric energy for 1 Euro-cent/KWh ! Everywhere.

The social aspects of cheaper renewable energy : it will change the known industrial and financial parameters of our society.

One inventor aspect : compression of the technology to a compact -portable- device

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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2017, 12:41:32 PM »
Dear Vortex1.

A great deal has gone on since I turned in last night.

With respect, Nelson has never claimed his Mini Radiant Exciter was an OU device, merely a " tool " for exploration into this very Grey area.

I can understand your frustration as electronics was your discipline, you see nothing more than an elaborate Blocking Oscillator. My background is more mechanical in nature with a poor grounding in electronics, I was intrigued by Nelson's video presentation and decided, at the time, to look a little deeper.

Three devices were built, different cores used, and we all saw different results. Not having the knowledge ( me ) the project was shelved. I decided recently to open up a thread in order to have some of the unusual, to me, operation waveforms explained by the more knowledgeable.

Sadly the whole affair has gone rather badly so I would personally like to apologise to Nelson for any distress I may have caused him.

Kind regards, Graham.

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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2017, 01:01:17 PM »

Are you in "berserk" mode ? seems so .
That response literally made me LOL.


Vortex I would point to what Grum said. I dont think Nelson made any claims. I'm certainly not building it because of claims. I'm just trying to have a conversation with a few blokes who are way beneath your pay grade. :) [/size]

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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2017, 01:19:00 PM »
That response literally made me LOL.


Yes, Nelson has a very sporting sense of humor.  It would be a hoot to live next door
to him.

Me and my "berserk mode", what have I created...?

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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2017, 01:44:02 PM »

Are you in "berserk" mode ? seems so .

The answer to that is positively "yes"! Monty Python style  :D

I think all that "radiant energy" is affecting me.

Dog-One..... so it was you who created the "berserk" mode description!  ;) I like that. In over 55 years of watching waveforms on a scope there is not a more fitting description for what we sometimes see.

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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2017, 02:30:36 PM »
Dear Vortex1.

A great deal has gone on since I turned in last night.

With respect, Nelson has never claimed his Mini Radiant Exciter was an OU device, merely a " tool " for exploration into this very Grey area.

I can understand your frustration as electronics was your discipline, you see nothing more than an elaborate Blocking Oscillator. My background is more mechanical in nature with a poor grounding in electronics, I was intrigued by Nelson's video presentation and decided, at the time, to look a little deeper.

Three devices were built, different cores used, and we all saw different results. Not having the knowledge ( me ) the project was shelved. I decided recently to open up a thread in order to have some of the unusual, to me, operation waveforms explained by the more knowledgeable.

Sadly the whole affair has gone rather badly so I would personally like to apologise to Nelson for any distress I may have caused him.

Kind regards, Graham.

Dear Graham

The person in question has some nearly sixty videos on youtube dating back 3 or 4 years to the present. Most are (to me) boring, bad camera work, and again, to me, show nothing of value, but that is only my opinion, to others they may be valuable.

Many have the term "Radiant" in the title, quite a few of them have "free energy" in the title or "free radiant energy" which is IMO "biasing" the viewer. "Overunity" is also used.

Many (not all) are being led to believe the so called "Mini Exciter" is but a stepping stone, master this and then move on to the real "free energy" stuff.

Lighting a neon bulb takes microwatts of power. So what is the claim for the circuit?

Charging a capacitor with one wire? No such thing, there is always another wire, it is the capacitance in the air that leads back to the circuit ground.

Developing funny waveforms on a scope? No, I think it's the undefinable, un-measurable, un-provable "radiant energy" term being bandied about again.

I only ask that claimants be held to the same standards in the electronic arena as if they were making claims for a new engine design and the truth of the situation will be evident i.e. a solid measurement protocol should be used but is nowhere evident.
 
IMO it couldn't hurt to use those standards as the template for vetting truth over fiction.

Kind Regards
Vortex1

P.S. IMO you need not apologize, you caused no harm. Perhaps when claimants (per the video titles) are misleading, they should feel some distress, after all, this is why most humans have a conscience.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2017, 04:47:35 PM by Vortex1 »

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2017, 02:36:46 PM »

Many are being led to believe the so called "Mini Exciter" is but a stepping stone, master this and then move on to the real "free energy" stuff.

I don't need a nanny mate  :P

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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2017, 03:01:07 PM »
I don't need a nanny mate  :P

I said many, Jim Boot, why did you assume I implied you were part of "many"?

"many" also implies "not all".

I was more referring to many of the hundreds of viewers of his videos.

Sorry that you took it personally.

regards

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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2017, 03:29:21 PM »
It's not often that I rant, but since there is a place for it, there are a few
concepts I feel are worth instilling into the minds of those that be...


In the land of Electronics Engineering there is a concept called 'equivalent circuits'.
Basically this idea places similar functionality to a group of different circuits, under
the pretense that they perform identical 'duties' in any and all circuits, and by this
analogy, a simpler circuit may replace a more complex one, without err.


While in most situations this proves to be true, the very idea of simplifying a circuit or
or "redrawing" a schematic in an easier-to-read format: may be our Achilles Heel.


As it pertains to critically timed oscillators, or tuned resonant circuits, the replacement of
a single component, or portion of a circuit, (while may be well intended) could throw the
entire device out of synch.
Any difference in the time it takes an electrical signal to travel from one side of a circuit to
another, even if only a fraction of a microsecond, denotes a change in frequency.


It is by this discrete analysis that we find the circuits to be not truly "equivalent", but
merely "similar circuits". Or circuits that perform similar functions, but not identical.
This is not to undermine the EE process, or to take away from the importance of
Fourier Transforms, and simplifying our circuits- as these things have their place in
electronics, but in "FE", maybe not so much.


So what is the appropriate course of action?
Does this mean that we cannot make changes to a 'free energy' device?
Of course not.
Make your changes, perform your experiments, but keep in mind and be
very aware of what these changes 'actually do' to the circuit.


Certain things are not inherently taught to us, because in real-world situations
they don't really matter.
Two objects traveling at the speed of light, one takes a slightly longer path,
Which one will arrive first? And how does this change in timing affect the rest
of the circuit?
Does this change cause interference? Or reduce it?


In a normal circuit we don't care. Your hair dryer will still
function whether we use two 50-ohm resistors, or a single 100.
But the electricity DOES care! It could mean the signal arrives at
the switch some quantity of time earlier than in the other scenario.


Think on this, instill it into your minds, and let it ferment.
We must advance this concept before we can tackle the next issue.


Your thoughts on this are appreciated.
 
                                                       Sm0ky2

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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2017, 07:01:43 PM »
Dear Graham

The person in question has some nearly sixty videos on youtube dating back 3 or 4 years to the present. Most are (to me) boring, bad camera work, and again, to me, show nothing of value, but that is only my opinion, to others they may be valuable.

Many have the term "Radiant" in the title, quite a few of them have "free energy" in the title or "free radiant energy" which is IMO "biasing" the viewer. "Overunity" is also used.

Many (not all) are being led to believe the so called "Mini Exciter" is but a stepping stone, master this and then move on to the real "free energy" stuff.

Lighting a neon bulb takes microwatts of power. So what is the claim for the circuit?

Charging a capacitor with one wire? No such thing, there is always another wire, it is the capacitance in the air that leads back to the circuit ground.

Developing funny waveforms on a scope? No, I think it's the undefinable, un-measurable, un-provable "radiant energy" term being bandied about again.

I only ask that claimants be held to the same standards in the electronic arena as if they were making claims for a new engine design and the truth of the situation will be evident i.e. a solid measurement protocol should be used but is nowhere evident.
 
IMO it couldn't hurt to use those standards as the template for vetting truth over fiction.

Kind Regards
Vortex1

P.S. IMO you need not apologize, you caused no harm. Perhaps when claimants (per the video titles) are misleading, they should feel some distress, after all, this is why most humans have a conscience.



“The person in question has some nearly sixty videos on youtube dating back 3 or 4 years to the present. Most are (to me) boring, bad camera work, and again, to me, show nothing of value, but that is only my opinion, to others they may be valuable.”

I understand that my vídeos could be boring to most people,and is perfectly normal that happens because i dont dedicate myself to produce vídeos with the objective to become a youtuber mine money producer ; i already explain that i use youtube and gdrive to store almost of my own tests in vídeo shots .
Listen well ….. MY OWN TESTS .  And that is the reason to i have not 6 vídeos but 63 since i begin store them in youtube .

“Many have the term "Radiant" in the title, quite a few of them have "free energy" in the title or "free radiant energy" which is IMO "biasing" the viewer. "Overunity" is also used.”

Do you think that terms implicity is to call people ? Hope that could change in near future because you could see how high is the views in my vídeos. Are you saying that persons like me or by example TK, that use the term electric OU or the term Radiant are try only biasing their vídeos ? I really dont agree but it is your opinion and i respect that .


“Many (not all) are being led to believe the so called "Mini Exciter" is but a stepping stone, master this and then move on to the real "free energy" stuff.”

Did i ask someone to open a thread with mini radiant exciter ? I think not i only accept Grumage prupose to publish , and for sure  he will remember the first thing that i say to him in PM was going to happen, and for sure Grumage will start smile when read this . :)

“Lighting a neon bulb takes microwatts of power. So what is the claim for the circuit?
Charging a capacitor with one wire? No such thing, there is always another wire, it is the capacitance in the air that leads back to the circuit ground.
Developing funny waveforms on a scope? No, I think it's the undefinable, un-measurable, un-provable radiant energy" term being bandied about again.


I understand that you knowledge of your years of experience, could be the reason to that circuit not motivate  you , is perfectly plausible so you should ignore. Nothing could stop you ignore that, so what is bothering you?

“I only ask that claimants be held to the same standards in the electronic arena as if they were making claims for a new engine design and the truth of the situation will be evident i.e. a solid measurement protocol should be used but is nowhere evident.
IMO it couldn't hurt to use those standards as the template for vetting truth over fiction.”


I already told you that i’m not claim nothing at all, and i never asked for your approval or someone else's to validate any of my circuits , otherwise it will make all the sense do the things in that way . But this is not the reality, is it?
Maybe just some understanding problem by your side about this subject.



Kind Regards
Nelson Rocha

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2017, 07:41:17 PM »

Did i ask someone to open a thread with mini radiant exciter ? I think not i only accept Grumage prupose to publish , and for sure  he will remember the first thing that i say to him in PM was going to happen, and for sure Grumage will start smile when read this . :

Kind Regards
Nelson Rocha

Dear Nelson.

I'm smiling, yes indeed, I had to read your PM again, but your prophecy was absolutely correct.  ;)

I hope there are no hard feelings between us? I just need to finish off the Spring house painting so I can put that circuit back together and try out some other ideas.

Kind regards, Graham.

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2017, 08:01:28 PM »
Dear Nelson.

I'm smiling, yes indeed, I had to read your PM again, but your prophecy was absolutely correct.  ;)

I hope there are no hard feelings between us? I just need to finish off the Spring house painting so I can put that circuit back together and try out some other ideas.

Kind regards, Graham.

Hi dear Grumage,
i know that you know too that  "prophecy" will happen ;) is mankind nature ;)
And of course there no hard feelings , i know perfectly  separate the wheat from the darnel.
Hope you enjoy your tests with circuit , with not so much "noise" :) like happen until now because until know It looks like more a mix "salad" of ideas and complains. What should be a simple experiment test, seems become a big confusion and a contest of who Which lights a neon better :)
or "mine is better" than yours ....

Cheers

Nelson Rocha

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