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Offline Theoretical Research

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Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2017, 07:33:00 PM »
Hi, Theoretical Research,

thank You for your attention and kind support...:-) I'll check the Spice file for sure.

What do you say about my proposal for elimination of the stray capacitance by separation of coil and capacitor with shielding? Will the effect still persist in your device? It should..

If you're talking about putting metal in the inner part of the core, then that will reduce the EGS effect. It causes an increase in capacitance, which acts to cancel the inner core charge during each cycle.

We can use the scope channel 2 as a means to cancel the signal.

Or better yet the digital version which uses a pulse which causes a LR decay which a cmos switch passes a section to an op-amp thus producing a DC output with low pass filter.

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« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2017, 08:51:56 PM »
Hi Theoretical Research,

It would be nice if you can draw simple diagram to illustrate your setup.
I still not sure what you propose to test.


It's difficult to show the physical construction in a spice diagram. I drew a quick crude drawing with my tablet & pen. See attached image. I could dismantle my setup and record a video of the core, but youtube has always destroyed the video quality making it difficult to see individual components.

The scope probe channel 1 is connected to the 10 ohm resistor. Channel 2 is connect to the signal gen. The black cable in the drawing is connected to the signal gen.

The drawing shows 3 turns, but I would recommend 10 turns.

The orange areas are copper foil.

The yellow area is balsa wood or plastic. There are two sheets of balsa / plastic-- inner and outer. The drawing only shows outer. The balsa / plastic goes on the round part of the core. Actually the outer part should be plastic since it does not need to reduce the dielectric. The inner part can be balsa or plastic.

R_bottom is a 2K resistor connected to the inner copper foil, the bottom part of the core. R_top is a 2K resistor connected to the inner copper foil, the top part of the core. Both R_bottom and R_top are connected to the coax cable.

R5 is a resistor connected to the outer part of the cores copper foil. R5 is connected to the coax cable ground.

The entire outer part of the core is wrapped in copper foil, one layer. Same goes for inner core.


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« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2017, 09:53:05 PM »
Hi, TR and than you very much for clarification of another details, which indeed explained a lot. No video is actually necessary, the scheme is OK and I can redraw it in some SW later.

But couldn't the copper foil be just omitted at the place of coil? It would eliminate some stray currents induced into the coil from copper foil. It could be also surrounded/underlayed with stripe of grounded sparse mesh or conductive pasta for shielding from the rest of ferrite, as Vertex1 is proposing...

And why the 2K resistors R_top, R_bottom and R4 resistors were used - for impedance match, protection of generator from short or something else? Why the device isn't grounded (i.e. connected to ground of generator cable) directly? With floating ground your device will be intensive source of radiation even at the 900 kHz / 20V and you could detect stray voltages at all places of it. You would measure some signal everywhere in this arrangement: the presence of stray voltage will not be evidence of anything specific, overunity the less.

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« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2017, 11:29:44 PM »
In the drawing and ltspice file the outer copper foil is connected the coax ground.

In real life experiments I could place the device 1/2 inch away from my hands or body without any noticeable change in output. It was unaffected by electronic devices, tvs, etc. due to the 10 ohm resistor.


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« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2017, 07:10:03 AM »
Hi Theoretical Research,

thank you for detailed drawing and explanations.

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« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2017, 07:43:20 AM »
Test circuit scheme from the LTSpice IV file provided by @Theoretical_Research above. 30M Self-adhesive Conductive Copper Slug Tape, which can be used for coil shielding (it's nonconductive at the tape side, so that no short winding should be formed). According to FEMM simulation the placing of low dielectric material (such as balsa wood) between the copper foil and core should significantly decrease charge cancellation, depending on balsa wood thickness.  @Theoretical_Research provided additional useful tips for replication in the another forum here. Initial testing of the TV yoke core using the same procedure by @partman produced null results though.

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« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2017, 05:20:28 PM »
Thanks. I don't think partzman has built the EGS effect circuit yet. He did some initial tests on a flyback core using a circuit according to how he thought I might be doing the experiment and got a change in voltage when rotating the core, although I don't know how much. I suspect it was a small change, but I haven't analyzed his scope shots. Partzman I think repeated that same setup of his using a flyback core and got no results. In his first test using the flyback core he noticed the effect was observable at certain harmonics. I believe that's because the phase angle between the EGS voltage and signal generator leakage at those specific harmonics were in phase enough to see the EGS voltage. When he takes the core measurements, enters them into the ltspice sim, adjusts the ltspice params as describe in the instructions, then he should definitely see the EGS effect. Although it appears he's already seen the EGS effect.

"Interestingly, there are differences in amplitudes of certain harmonics.  The R3(wht) trace is the stored FFT when the core is in one position, and the Math(red) trace is with the core flipped 180 degrees." partzman
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3447.msg60838#msg60838

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« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2017, 05:43:34 PM »
@Theoretical_Research: I'm afraid, that the overunity effect which requires careful simulation in Spice and subtracting the results for to manifest itself has no chance for practical success anyway. What we need for occasional overunity is the arrangement, which would generate output voltage in robust way without need of any simulations, i.e. out of explanation by stray capacitive currents with classical physics. From this reason I would NOT place the output coil over the capacitor foil - but at free space at safe distance from it, preferably to  another arm of torus free of capacitor foil.

If it will kill the output signal from the coil, then it would also mean, that the capacitor foil isn't actually required in other places of ferrite, than just under the coil - which is strange with respect to your theory and it would also indicate the capacitive artifact instead of real phenomena. If the output signal will still persist, it will be great - but it would also mean, that no LTSpice simulations are actually necessary and that we can reproduce the effect by introduction the voltage gradient at random place anywhere along ferrite - which would enable us to isolate the output coil from polarizing input voltage completely. In addition I would cover the coil with grounding tape for to avoid any stray voltage leaking into it from outside.

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« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2017, 06:07:17 PM »
Hi Zephir. I guess we see it differently? Posting at two forums takes too much time. I'll be at the other forum if anyone wants to contact me.

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« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2017, 06:57:00 PM »
Hi Zephir. I guess we see it differently? Posting at two forums takes too much time. I'll be at the other forum if anyone wants to contact me.

sadly, not everyone can register there  :(

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« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2017, 07:54:17 PM »
We also shouldn't forget (IMO very important) remark of @kEhYo77, that the @Theoretical_Research's device is conceptually similar to famous Akula's 1Watt TPU coil, which has been demonstrated to be a selfrunner including its complete dismantling before camera. This TPU utilized some grey brittle plastic(?) instead of metal or ferrite in its core (it's even mentioned explicitly as a "kunststoff" during video). Maybe the ferrite is not actually needed for to demonstrate the TR's effect at the end - which would be great.

BTW The last version of LTSpice file from TR is a version that works with LTspice IV. It didn't like the permitivity symbol ε so he changed it to permittivity (relative permittivity). I experienced a similar problem with it.

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« Reply #56 on: April 22, 2017, 07:58:47 PM »
Nice. I like akula videos. My 2nd device was an air core. The math & physics does not require it to be magnetic core. I've spent most my time on magnetic core designs but would like to get back to the air core versions. I use 4NEC2 to obtain radiation resistance if need be.


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« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2017, 08:07:48 PM »
Someone was asking why there are so many self runners in Russia. I don't know if that's true, but it would be interesting for someone to take EGS effect measurements and perhaps even magnetic field measurements in the areas of Russia where these self runners are doing well. … I find it … interesting … that Russia is considerably closer to the poles. Perhaps people in Alaska would also do well. This gets into theory, though. What the theoretical math is referring to is not the B-field, but space flow (velocity). So you can actually have a weak magnetic field such as earth but given large radius the space flow velocity can be significant.

Kinda wishing I lived in Alaska, perhaps even Russia. Maybe these devices work anywhere up there.

ps the intent of EGS effect experiment is to measure any space flow velocity.

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« Reply #58 on: April 22, 2017, 08:12:28 PM »
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My 2nd device was an air core. The math & physics does not require it to be magnetic core.

That's great as it would radically decrease the cost of device and simplified its design (ferrite cores are expensive and they cannot be shaped, also their dielectric strength is nothing spectacular). It would also explain, why the coil must be placed OVER the capacitor and not only this - it must be placed over WHOLE volume of capacitor plates (gravitoelectric effect works only in field deformed with capacitor). If the effect would require ferrite (Floyd Sweet effect) to work, then the device wouldn't need large coil and this coil could be even placed outside the cap for to eliminate the stray artifacts.

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Someone was asking why there are so many self runners in Russia

I'd guess it has rather something to do with inquisitive exploratory nature of Slavic spirit, which isn't so constrained with utilitarian conventions, as the Western world or with collectivism like the Asians. Many findings credited to Western scientists were actually observed in Russia first and they were subsequently ignored or forgotten. Recently I found a wast repository of interesting inventions and findings, provided for money. Some of them are probably a silly artifacts or fakes, but many of them look very promising. Their expertise would consume a whole new board without problem.


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Re: Witness the Free Energy effect
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2017, 07:24:26 AM »
We also shouldn't forget (IMO very important) remark of @kEhYo77, that the @Theoretical_Research's device is conceptually similar to famous Akula's 1Watt TPU coil, which has been demonstrated to be a selfrunner including its complete dismantling before camera. This TPU utilized some grey brittle plastic(?) instead of metal or ferrite in its core (it's even mentioned explicitly as a "kunststoff" during video). Maybe the ferrite is not actually needed for to demonstrate the TR's effect at the end - which would be great.

BTW The last version of LTSpice file from TR is a version that works with LTspice IV. It didn't like the permitivity symbol ε so he changed it to permittivity (relative permittivity). I experienced a similar problem with it.

Quesion about akula diagram: How output coil 4 is outputting current? its orientation is wrong in relation to inductor/tesla coil and also tesla coil is shielded with metal plates. However the interesting part is that a EM waves are coming from primary to secondary (transformer action) tesla THROUGH electrostatic field of charged capacitor (the field between the charged plates),this electrostatic field wont be perfectly static because this capacitor voltage will fluctuate since its resonating with coil.

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