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Offline pomodoro

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2017, 02:22:03 AM »
Dear h2O, thanks for your clear explanation and honest words. I very much wish you success in this replication as you have clearly done a lot of work on it.  I've already mentioned how it is impossible thermodynamically to split water into both gases by any means, even by your proposed ionization method or any yet undiscovered means.  Its due to the first law of thermodynamics and is manifested in chemistry as Hess's law.  Sometimes I feel like a prick saying all of this, you know, when somebody has done all of the work and some jerk has to thow a comment like this in, but that is what could be your OU obstacle. On the positive side, you do have a chance of greater than 100% efficiency if there are no losses in the new electrolysis process because of the entropy gain. But here you need to fight the losses in your electronics.  Anyway, you know all this, so no more negatives from me, and the best of luck as you might find something new , who knows!

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2017, 02:53:49 AM »
Dear h20power.

May I ask a simple question?

I spent nigh on 2 decades with the supply industry (UK) involved with HV distribution. Our voltages were 33 and 11 KV.

Is it the frequencies that are causing your problems? All our transformers and switchgear worked faultlessly using Transformer oil as an insulant, obviously at 50 HZ.

Kind regards, Graham.


Hi Graham,


For the most part I think its due to the secondary being an isolated circuit for it's actively seeking a ground and will often arc from the chokes to the primary or pickup coil. I don't think the transformer oil is a strong enough insulator anymore for this tech I will be using a resin for the next bit of testing. Water doesn't like being charged to these high voltages and like a thunderstorm will send a lightening strike to a ground source so great care must be taken to prevent this from happening. With the last test I ran a diode shorted out and the transformer was just fine. But again I personally think it's due to the secondary side of the transformer is an isolated circuit and perhaps I need to learn to build the transformers a bit better. I'm doing the best I can with what I have on hand and like I said I don't think the transformer oil is a strong enough insulator anymore as the voltages are just too high for it now.


For Dog-One, if you remember I had 12 capacitors wired in series at the 2013 Global BEM. I have already ran test like those before and noted the physical part of the voltage intensifier circuit as a whole. Look at the exciter array as a load being placed on the transformer. If you increase the load on the transformer the voltage will go down and if you decrease the load the voltage will go up. But there is another relationship that one must consider in that the coils capacitance must always be higher than the capacitance of the exciter array. Each cell taken out of the series array will increase the load being placed on the transformer and increase the cells capacitance. If the capacitance of the cell is higher than that of the coils then it will not charge up very well if at all. Most of this I did by pure trial and error with no calculating much of anything. I'd observe what took place when changes where made and would always move towards the results that gave higher voltages to the system as a whole.


Remember what Meyer said about increasing the length of the chokes increases the amount of voltage being applied to the exciter array. You must understand this relationship to be able to design the transformers better as you move along bettering your results. Like I said I have a lot of failures from which to draw information from. These transformers are very hard to understand as there is far more things that can change the resonant frequency or load capability of the transformer. The capacitance is a physical property of the area of the coils verse the area of the cells and their relationship to one another being wired in series. Meyer also states in the patents that the reactive XL must always be higher than the XC. These are relationships we need to learn by hart as they are the core part of learning how to go about designing the transformers correctly.


And just so everyone understands when I say I placed 9.4kv potential difference on the exciter array it means 4.7kv positive and 4.7kv negative voltage ±20 volts with normally 20 volts more positive than negative voltage. In the pdf file I go over just how the waveform is supposed to look like and why it is supposed to look that way. I feel its the greatest gift I have ever given to the Open Source community but like is said before it's like I handed Open Source some garbage to be placed in the trash from how everyone treats the information given in those two pdf files. I show just where in the patents I got the information from and show the science behind the technology with not just one example but two different examples of nature breaking the bonds of the water molecules in the exact same manor as many others did to include Meyer with this water for fuel technology. Basically I filled in the blanks Meyer left out in his many lectures on this technology.
The problem is people that didn't read much of anything and just rushed to look at the photos. For if you pulse it incorrectly you can make it have just positive voltage but if you are also taking current readings going through the cell you will notice that the more even the positive and negative voltages are the lower the amps will be flowing through the water bath.
Max Miller and I got into some very heated arguments on this topic as well as some of Ronnie's people but Max would hide most of his results by not taking any temperature readings of the cell over time or any amp reading of the actually amperage that was flowing through the cell. If the cell starts to heat up there is amps flowing through the water bath. I even ran a comparison of our two waveforms, which were the same despite they didn't look the same, to show what happens when the load is too great for the transformer to handle as Max had just two resonant cavities hooked up in series and I had 10 hooked up in series. Other than that our setups were practically the same. But in spite of all that people would tell me that our waveforms were nothing alike which to me didn't make any sense as how could we have different waveforms if we had our setups hooked up the exact same way?


Anyway every time I was compared to one of those people the vast majority would side with them over me. It was back then I knew people simply were not reading the patents or performing any of their own experiments. Every time I'd show just where in the patent it stated I was correct in what I was saying or doing they would still side with people doing things all wrong. So I did a bit of self evaluation and determined it was more than likely due to me being a black man for it's really no different when looking at how people hated Obama for going golfing but have no problem with Trump doing the same thing. So slowly but surely I backed out of Open Source altogether.
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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2017, 12:09:27 PM »
Water is anomaly - check chemistry. Correcting this anomaly  brings water to the "correct" gaseous form at natural state (at 20 degrees,normal pressure) . That's all about it. Somebody called it HHO.
Look for inventor Eleazar Veneracion from Phillipines (I think so)

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« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2017, 07:34:15 PM »
My research for Meyers was deeper than both you and Max, conclusion: Likely it was misrepresented and is it worth following the brother of misrepresented? I was gonna finish the circuit and offer it as a board 500$ a pop for a stable amplifier to investigate the claim of resonant electrolysis. My theory is that financing by the people is my right, your money would be better placed if you let me do the experimentations, naturally it was a hard sell since it was heard to convince people that Stan was probably confused and it his brother said so in the interview.. Unfortunately, I had bothersome wannabees on the other side trying to sabotage my economics due to me selling wire before that. You idiots were in my way on that road that lead nowhere, bothersome H2Opower's and the like claiming to be onto something... I needed at least 2000$ to build the cell exactly how I wanted + other things, audio transformers with wide bandwidth. And then I would have attempted a proper Stephen Meyers replication, and fully taking into account everything.

He camouflaged normal electrolysis in high voltage high resistance system but in the end all is just normal electrolysis

His sytem work with regular slightly impure water and causes less heat, but less gas, its just a trick of wording and he sold ALOT.

So you are just on square 1 still, and what happened to the "gas processor", you never even touched it lol. Still you got that picture I saw 7 years ago. At least that would have made sense if you explored things on this avenue ala Herman Anderson but it seems nothing happens when you spend 30k on research with Bank's money. I would never invest in a dummy like you, you have no plan whatsoever on how to complete a single component.

You are too slow and you wasted too much time. Nobody is ever gonna listen to you, I would have banned you immediatly, you are not the man in charge, anything you say amounts to being wrong as it regards to efficient electrolysis of water.

I rather listen my Cat's view on Stanley Meyers than you "explaining how it works". It dont work, its fraud...




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« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2017, 11:54:51 PM »
My research for Meyers was deeper than both you and Max, conclusion: Likely it was misrepresented and is it worth following the brother of misrepresented? I was gonna finish the circuit and offer it as a board 500$ a pop for a stable amplifier to investigate the claim of resonant electrolysis. My theory is that financing by the people is my right, your money would be better placed if you let me do the experimentations, naturally it was a hard sell since it was heard to convince people that Stan was probably confused and it his brother said so in the interview.. Unfortunately, I had bothersome wannabees on the other side trying to sabotage my economics due to me selling wire before that. You idiots were in my way on that road that lead nowhere, bothersome H2Opower's and the like claiming to be onto something... I needed at least 2000$ to build the cell exactly how I wanted + other things, audio transformers with wide bandwidth. And then I would have attempted a proper Stephen Meyers replication, and fully taking into account everything.

He camouflaged normal electrolysis in high voltage high resistance system but in the end all is just normal electrolysis

His sytem work with regular slightly impure water and causes less heat, but less gas, its just a trick of wording and he sold ALOT.

So you are just on square 1 still, and what happened to the "gas processor", you never even touched it lol. Still you got that picture I saw 7 years ago. At least that would have made sense if you explored things on this avenue ala Herman Anderson but it seems nothing happens when you spend 30k on research with Bank's money. I would never invest in a dummy like you, you have no plan whatsoever on how to complete a single component.

You are too slow and you wasted too much time. Nobody is ever gonna listen to you, I would have banned you immediatly, you are not the man in charge, anything you say amounts to being wrong as it regards to efficient electrolysis of water.

I rather listen my Cat's view on Stanley Meyers than you "explaining how it works". It dont work, its fraud...


Your sick and you need professional help and you need to check yourself in to be evaluated at a mental clinic. If you think I prevented you from doing something you are doomed to failure as that is a sign of mental instability in blaming others for your own personal failures in life. In 7-8 years time you haven't built what it is you wanted to build that is on you. This $30k I spent is looking at all I have spent since 2006 when I got started into this research which averages out to just $2,727 per year and it's my own money from which I am free to spend it on what every I feel like spending it on. But you seem to have a problem with people spending their own hard earned cash as paraphrasing you it would have been better spent on you. Even you have to start to admit that your elevator doesn't seem to go all the way to the top floor with this line of thinking you have.
I get help from people as they can see I am willing to invest in myself and they can also see that my story hasn't really changed much over the years. They can also see that since I got started on this I have improved much in my goal of reaching Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology, IE, 1-2kv of potential difference per resonant cavity. In my very first attempt at this technology I go a little over 300 volts to be applied to one of the exciter arrays that I built. I did so at a time when everyone around me were only getting 5-15 volts with their setups. With many failures I learned how to get the voltages up with these VIC transformers and I began to understand the science behind the technology. My major breakthrough came in 2012 and after a years wait to save up to pay for the minimum buy from the transformer core company upon receiving them and testing them out for the very first time at the 2013 Global BEM I went from 1.2kv to 4.2kv being applied to my exciter array. But that did not reach Meyer's stated working conditions for this technology so as the scientific method has us to do I went back to experimenting and studying. After I made a new VIC transformer I made it to something like 5.6kv. I studied what was going on through a lot of math, and good observations of the transformers performance and when I made a new one made it to 7.5kv, and I repeated this process over and over again reaching 8.0kv, 8.2kv, 8.4kv, 8.8kv, and then to my new high of 9.4kv. This is how the scientific method works. But you have a problem with this as I am spending my money on my own experiments and getting closer to the goal of reaching Meyer's stated voltages needed for the working conditions of this technology.


Everyone that saw the interview video of me at the 2013 Global BEM saw my partners circuit which is far cheaper than $500 bucks being used to power up this technology and you know what Meyer said about this in that the one with the cheapest method is going to win out so I guess you have a beef with him too which further shows you need to be mentally evaluated by a professional. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac&t=479s
And furthermore your statement of Meyer's technology being a fraud is totally unfounded as you have never reached his stated working conditions for this technology and thus have no bases for you accusations. So, in laymen's terms, "You don't have a pot or a window to throw it out of!" Seriously, you need to get mental help as something is wrong with your mind.


If in 7-8 years you haven't built what it is you wanted to build that is on you and only you and only a sick individual would go around blaming others for their failure to build something with that much time elapse. So, let me do a bit of math for you, you state that you need $2k and lets divide that by 7 years and see what's the amount of money you would have had to save to have your $2k. $2000 divided 7 equals $285.71 per year is all you would have had to save and your going to try and blame this on me and others for your failure to save the money you need? Dude you really need help as you are missing quite a few marbles if this is how you think.


As for the pace I keep what concern is that of yours as I have a family to raise and saving money thus can sometimes be a challenge but I manage to get the job done to the best of my abilities to do so. Besides being mentally unstable your problem is you don't know how to work for what you want. Your parents did a poor job of raising you if how you see the world is thinking that everyone in it owes you something and thus should be paying your way in life. Grow up and seek mental help already as in this world us poor folk have to work for the things we want and if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen! But the fault of your failures on this technology and as a man are with you and you alone so don't go around blaming others for your failure to prioritize your monies so that you could build the things you wanted to build as 7-8 years is a long time to still be sitting behind your keyboard still just typing away with no real work to show for what you believe in. Seek mental help as trust me you need it.

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« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2017, 02:31:41 AM »
Its not too hard to go bananas when investigating OU. Its mentally very tough.  There is another guy who  claimed to have made great progress with this technology. Chessnyt, haven't heard much from him but he claimed to have hit the jackpot.

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« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2017, 04:02:15 AM »
Its not too hard to go bananas when investigating OU. Its mentally very tough.  There is another guy who  claimed to have made great progress with this technology. Chessnyt, haven't heard much from him but he claimed to have hit the jackpot.


That's a name I haven't heard of in a long time. From my observations of people working on this technology if they fail to make use of the scientific method most of the time they will resort to making claims that they can not substantiate, and I have seen others that are so afraid to fail that they never start. The scientific method has failure built right into it as whom ever came up with that method knew that at once you don't succeed try try again. At first I too was a bit afraid to fail due to how many people on the forum responded negatively to peoples failures. But over time I learned to simply ignore them as they have no idea how the scientific method actually works. It's truly called, "Failing to learn" once you understand it's concepts. It is a very long process most of the time but it makes one follow a form that will lead to a solution most of the time but not all of the time. I understand that failing is a part of life and if one is afraid to fail they will never succeed.


Thanks to how I was brought up I am practically immune to pier pressure and will do what ever it is I was intending on doing no matter what people are saying. What truly gets under my skin is when people don't do their own work but think they have something important to say about the subject having absolutely no real world experience from which to work from. I even gave these type of people a name calling them, "Arm Chair Scientist." This is what truly gets under my skin most of the time as they will also resort to doing a lot of lying just to try and make themselves seem important in front of others. I remember one such guy that told everyone that he was getting 50kv to his eleven cell exciter array after I had showed the group a photo reading of 7.5kv being applied to my cell. Now I knew he was full of BS but had to figure out a way to cleverly trick him into telling the truth. I ask a few questions about his stated voltages as to what probe did he use to measure it. After a little time had passed he finally responded that he didn't have a differential probe so I talked him into starting a crowdfund so that we could help him get one. He was so excited to be getting some money that he completely forgot about what he had said to the group about getting 50kv to his exciter array. I went ahead and put in $50 bucks to help him get one and a few others pitched in and he ended up getting the 30kv differential probe. He was so excited that he told of his actual voltage that he was applying to his exciter array. It was at that time I posted his words of getting 50kv to his cell just to make himself seem to be doing better than me in front of the forum members. I also took the time to inform him of Meyer's stated working voltages for this technology and pointed out that he's claims were some 30kv over Meyer's stated maximum for a working system. It was the best $50 bucks I had ever spent as I had to prove him wrong for if his claims were in fact true then Meyer was a fraud and the science I uncovered suggested otherwise.


It took him a while to catch on to just what I had done to him but in the end he did get the tools he needed to actually be working on this technology as I thought it was the least I could do to help out someone that seemed to have his heart in the right place. Plus I got what I wanted which was the truth to be told so as I said for me it was a good way for me to spend my money as I spent it on getting at the truth while helping out someone that was less fortunate than myself. Yes, I went through all of this to get at the truth as that is just how serious I am about this technology. Honestly I was going to try and help out this Arm guy a little but once I saw that response of desiring to spend others people's money other than to use his own I was done with him as that to me is a clear sign of a scammer. I have a way at getting the truth out of people and now we all know he needs mental help as something is wrong with him on the inside that requires the help of a professional skilled in the art of mental assistance for the mentally challenged among us.


For me the truth will out as that is exactly what I set out to do with Meyer's work prove once & for all if what he was saying was true or false and I can't do that unless I reach his stated working conditions for this technology, none of us can.
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« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2017, 11:37:24 AM »
Some one just posted my clips from years ago.. I distilled water 4 times and spin it in a centrifuge.. that is how..

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwa_qS-KA-c
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3z545Sc3Mg

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« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2017, 12:16:17 PM »
Nice vids ACCA. Are you saying that water in the bottle is storing way more charge than would mercury metal in the same bottle??

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« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2017, 01:32:57 PM »
Please see this clip of L. Dawson on the capacitance energy storage in the electron shell.. The energy is stored in "plastic" as a general term.. water is just the the catalyst here of the stored charge in the water.. It's no trick to do this, however to understand why water is important it is to understand that plastics are charge carriers and not just simple "static" holders ..
In the future metal-less batteries made of plastic will prevail like super caps, and water will be the electrolyte. What you will NOT see is any "metal" in the water bottle and yet there is a plus and minus charge present.. As the water is discharged over time a potential charge will be replace the lost charge, not very fast.. Water is very pure, no D2.. Centrifuge water..
Right now may attempts are to duplicate P.Zographos.. and it's RF and "water treatment" ..

I am done here as there way too may (seniors) who I will rip me to shreds..  Personal message is the only way.. now..

You may want to see all his clips..

Acca..

p.s. There are NO clips of this duplication on YouTube anywhere.!!!. you are lucky to see this effect !! There is huge amount to be made here..
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« Reply #71 on: April 21, 2017, 08:36:21 PM »
I will not rip you to shreds Acca.

Just what you show here is better than a lifetime of H2Opower and his knowledge of Stanley Meyers book.

That book is the backbone of his scientific method and he can "explain to us how it works".

Perhaps the old man Zografos has something after all.

I just find it suspicious all this media hype and the TV shows and everything.

And we cant trust some german guy saying he does not regret his trip and feels happy that it works.



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« Reply #72 on: April 22, 2017, 02:19:39 AM »
Don't run as yet ACCA,  I'm not quite understanding your two videos. Did you charge the bottle like a Leyden jar and then removed the foil from the outside of the bottle?  Also, in your second video you say the charge is in the plastic not the water; that sounds like you're saying there is nothing special about water? Im  Confused.

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« Reply #73 on: April 22, 2017, 06:18:08 PM »
There is no metal involved you have to look at the ref. clip for the explanation just as Snake River Radiation lab explains the property of capacitance charge in electrons. (not accepted) I  am not the scientist here. Water is also altered to light water.   Forget about foils and Layden jars. Try Prof. Santilli and Danny Kline patent,  Rf water electrolysis. Stiffler SEC diode broadband transmitter. It's not simple water electrolysis and charging.


Acca.


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« Reply #74 on: April 24, 2017, 01:42:13 AM »
Does anyone remember  Sequental.9 ??? and all the other reinventions ?????
is there a strange resemblance to this Zephyr guy don't you think ?

quote from October the 18th

That I am sir !

I don't hold back my name as you can find it in TPU THEORY Stephan attacked me again but I think in the end he will just leave me alone !

It looks like the same style to me !  I see only trouble ahead with this guy.

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