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Author Topic: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome  (Read 7992 times)

Offline pomodoro

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2017, 07:11:29 AM »
You, me and everyone else would exaggerate too if we spent 30k to make a few bubbles from 100w input. Fark, I'd be running from the bank or the hells angel debt collector.

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2017, 07:26:28 AM »
And I am very nice man

I just don't like people on this site, you wonder how much % would try to steal from me if I had technology in front of them, would they pull out a gun a threaten me?

The very nature of such technology means that there can be no friendship on this site, for researchers this site is also bothersome as there is only people that want to socialize all the work and its always very amusing to see those people squeal and praise then insult you.

When it comes to working technology, a man will praise you one day, rob you the next.





Offline h20power

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2017, 11:00:22 AM »
Years ago I would participate in Gary Hendershot's Smart Scarecrow show and he would routinely ask guests of his show, "How long until I can buy such a device on the corner endcap at Walmart?"

The simple answer is never, because it is a suicide mission to even try.

Here in a nutshell is how the markets work:   Big fish eat little fish.

Guys like Elon Musk know this.  They know they are little fish.  You have to charge a Tesla, Inc. car up before you can drive it.  Only a complete fruitcake would think otherwise.

So Ed, take my advice, please, if you get your system working as a true undeniable over unity device, best thing you can do is hook-up with Nelson Rocha's employer.  Those folks can at least provide you some cover so you can continue your research and development.  You go public and I promise you will be crushed like a bug.  The big fish of the markets absolutely will not tolerate disruption to their system.  These boys buy and sell countries like kids with baseball trading cards.  Anyone that gets in their way will be eliminated from the pages of time, quickly, severely and irreversibly.  This is their world, their playground, not ours.


Trust me Matt I have a plan that I am following. I have taken all the right steps towards getting started on what I am doing as I have had a very long time to think about the right direction from which to get started in. Sure these big wigs can throw their weight around but they are finally starting to die off of old age and now they are focusing their attentions on trying to figure out a way to cheat death. The major break for me came when I left the Open Source community or that is to say gave up on them as they are no true friends to technologies like these as they act more or less as true enemies on the old monies payroll. I mean just look at the numerous post that people make that basically try and tell someone like me that they are wasting their time and money and should just give it all up. And you don't have to look far as they are posting like mad right now.


This is the truth of what I learned that allowed me to head in the right direction as I had to stop looking for support in places like these for trust me it will never come. All you will find in places like these are people telling you to give it up or you need to start looking over your shoulder as they attempt to toss fear in the mix to try and get you to stop what you are doing. I have seen it all in these forums that are supposed to be a place where people come together for the betterment of mankind but instead they are only places that try to get you to stop what you are doing for the most part.
Matt you got to witness them in action with your own eyes as they moved to stop me from getting the group to act as one so we could take advantage of how the markets work and all get the same basic equipment from which to work on together as a group. Any move that I'd make to try and get people to work together for the greater good would be quickly put down by the forum moderators and other not so friendly members. Even when I posted the actual science behind the technology which fills in some of the many wholes Meyer left out of his many lecture videos the information is treated as if I had handed someone some trash to be put in the garbage.


If you ask me it took me far too long to realize just what these Open Source forums were all about as I wasted far too much time in trying to teach and show people just how this technology actually works time that could have been spent on building up the company as I have been doing ever since I gave up on the Open Source community. This is where I wasted a lot of time in places like these I even went as far as to help a few people out financially when I could afford to do so. But it was all for not as those very same people turned on me as the lies there were being fed by the large ego people sounded just so dam good and I ask you where are they all now? Gone with the wind and the money that people donated to them was just a big waste as most of them just gave up or moved on to something completely different. They put on great shows for people but that's all they did was provide people with a bit of entertainment as most of them are long gone now and/or still putting on shows for people but on something totally different than what they started out doing or on things that truly have no real importance towards the larger picture of us trying to end this system of energy enslavement. They are nothing but distractions that keep people feeling happy with what seems to be their lot in life in being a slave to the energy sellers. Yeah, I see things pretty clear now.


That name that you mentioned trust me when I tell you this I will steer as far away from them as I can as my trust level is ultra low in dealing with gentiles now. My trust now is in the creator and that is where it will remain for all time if anything to say about I have. The only thing I have left for forums like these is a small bit of hope that one day the people in these forums will wake up and start working together as one for the greater good of the poorest among us.

Offline Dog-One

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2017, 11:54:49 AM »
I get what you are saying about OpenSource Ed.  To be honest though, most everyone in these type of gatherings have been beaten over the head with how things work--standard classical electronics and engineering.  They have the lumps to show for it.  I know I do and I was one of those asshats at one time when someone would show up and tell me that I'm all wrong or say things I never read in any prescribed book.  Now I know a good part of what I thought I knew was indeed all wrong or at least missing huge valuable parts.  It's been hell on earth trying to unlearn some of this crap and start fresh with a different perspective.

My feeling is that one day you will be successful Ed.  You will in fact fully achieve your goals.  Since I have probably burned my bridges with you, I'm content to sit back and just pull for you.  I realize now that it's never too late to learn something new and watch someone do the impossible by my standards.

Do drop me a note from time to time and never be afraid to ask a question.  Maybe I can spot what you're looking for from a different angle if you get hung-up on something.  Four eyes are better then two right?    :)


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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2017, 02:53:30 PM »
I get what you are saying about OpenSource Ed.  To be honest though, most everyone in these type of gatherings have been beaten over the head with how things work--standard classical electronics and engineering.  They have the lumps to show for it.  I know I do and I was one of those asshats at one time when someone would show up and tell me that I'm all wrong or say things I never read in any prescribed book.  Now I know a good part of what I thought I knew was indeed all wrong or at least missing huge valuable parts.  It's been hell on earth trying to unlearn some of this crap and start fresh with a different perspective.

My feeling is that one day you will be successful Ed.  You will in fact fully achieve your goals.  Since I have probably burned my bridges with you, I'm content to sit back and just pull for you.  I realize now that it's never too late to learn something new and watch someone do the impossible by my standards.

Do drop me a note from time to time and never be afraid to ask a question.  Maybe I can spot what you're looking for from a different angle if you get hung-up on something.  Four eyes are better then two right?    :)


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Go to Youtube and look up Eric Dollard GO THROUGH ALL HIS STUFF or forget FE for ever !!!
Also Donald Smith vids are a good place to go too, but please close the door on your way out on Zerhyr and don't let him out! ;) PS do you know what long waves really are ?????????? PS Neo D magnets are nothing to do with Nelson's device!! they are kids toys and belong here in the classroom !

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2017, 05:09:40 PM »
Don't dodge H2Opower,

Show me a far away picture of what is it you spend 30k on, I don't need details.

If after 7 years and 30k spent, no return on investment, its time to move on in life. Tenacity is a good thing sometimes, other times its a fools errand.

Why does it always have to be about hope, teamwork? Its about results, and individuals becoming knowledgeable about science, practical in engineering practice, then maybe it could be a hobby.

First you learn at your own speed (but not too slow),amath, modern software, electronics, software, hydraulics, rf and microwave science, chemistry. You can't learn everything obviously, you pick and choose. Then you get a job, then when you have time over unity.

These all in moves  are nothing but moronic, overunity is not a proper way of life, to live for this quest is destructive.

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2017, 05:20:14 PM »
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after 7 years and 30k spent, no return on investment, its time to move on in life. Tenacity is a good thing sometimes, other times its a fools errand

The findings which are moving progress forward are getting increasingly complex and difficult to comprehend. This looks logical, because the Nature doesn't gives its gifts for free. But because the life-time of people remains limited, this may become one of barriers for overunity research. Such a complex and paradigm changing research requires increasing effort and coordinated life-span of multiple people for successful bringing it into market. The lone inventors working in diaspora are therefore limited not only by amount of available resources - but also with length of their productive life and volume of information, which they can process in a single moment.

Unfortunately just the people who dedicated their life to a single idea - and the idea of such immense market potential in addition - aren't very willing to share the know-how with their peers, for cooperation the less. The selfishness of individuals plays too well with greediness of government and energetic lobby in this case. This in part explains, why so-many overunity findings didn't survive their inventors. Which may also bring the false impression for skeptics, that there is something systematically wrong with all these findings at once - and the vicious circle of pluralistic ignorance will get closed.

So, whereas I can understand your resignation and desperate attitude, you shouldn't transfer your lost of faith to another newer members of this forum here. You should leave it in silent dignity and not to reside here for attacking more determined followers from pure jealousy. Too many senior members of this forum already started here to rationalize their lack of success on overunity field and they converted into less or more hostile patoskeptics in this way. The elderly elephants know well, when they should separate from crowd for not to become a brake of its further progress.

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Offline ramset

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2017, 06:58:09 PM »
Zephir
I see you present Kanziuos work in your water arc thread ?
you are aware that his work used incredibly high input power to do this ?

not even close to OU, nor was that his claim ,he was looking for cancer cure?

and many members here did replicate Naudlin's work too [I believe Pomodoro was one]

it would be better to share new developments than copy paste things here which have been gone over many times ?

I will not post in your threads [keep them free of distractions from your purpose]

You have shown No work of your own ? nor where experimenters here went wrong in their attempts.

honestly it seems there are very big holes in your knowledge of topics here,
are you learning on the run?
trying to show some value here ?,


over men who actually have done experiments and can see right thru you?? ??




 


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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2017, 07:26:29 PM »
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not even close to OU, nor was that his claim ,he was looking for cancer cure?

Overunity wasn't actually Kanzius claim, but one of prof. Rustum Roy, who did replicate his experiments at Pennsylvania State University in more quantitative way (1, 2). His technology wasn't successful as a cancer cure - actually I believe, poor Kanzius got leukemia just from his experiments, which decompose the water into hydrogen and hydrogen peroxide. Peroxide isn't best cure of cancer in general. Recently Petros Zographos presented very similar technology - just with using of higher frequencies - so I've no reason not to believe in Roy-Kanzius claims concerning overunity.

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I will not post in your threads - keep them free of distractions from your purpose

And I'd really appreciate it.

Offline ramset

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2017, 07:51:03 PM »
Zephir
I spoke with Petros late last year, asked him why his hydrogen flame was so "lazy and yellow" ,asked him if he could drive his motorcycle into one of the 160 auto emission centers in his country and give us a print out [gas spectrometer]

all I heard was Crickets....and "call my lawyer"....
it was asking too much to drive the scooter into an emission center for proof??

yeesh.......



Zephir
your playing games here, we can all read the newspaper ....




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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2017, 07:59:25 PM »
Beware of that zografos character.

It seems like a wall of oscilloscopes is rather extreme. Everything surrounding him is made to look like...but looks can be deceiving. Let us be patient and see what information we get, its a NO TOUCH for me until he comes up with info, as he says he is trying to save the world.

I worked in an rf lab and there war probably 5 pieces of equipment, on a big bench, I worked there but I don't understand rf, I read a bit about it. For a team of engineers 5 pieces. Nothing like his wall, it seems to me like he has too much.

Zephyr, its time for you to go hit the books and let time pass and see the progression, I learn hard math with cheat software, wxmaxima and scilab, I test simple schematics with ltspice. All free, I learn electronics by Google. There is much books about microwave engineering. Are you ready to assimilate? Get yourself strong in the areas of science and stop reading about inventors. Before you go in battle you must train with the sword, gather items, gain exp. Right now I see a good player but just lvl 1, very weak char.



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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2017, 10:13:37 PM »
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it seems to me like he has too much

Too much oscilloscopes - this is the most hilarious objection I ever read from patoskeptic - and I've already read some...


Offline ramset

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2017, 04:27:00 PM »
Zephir
I see you take posts from a generic thread which was started so we could understand what you are truly trying to teach here?

and you pile them into a topic which you started on water arc ?

Did you ever ask persons  not to post there[your water arc topic ??

??

In my opinion you have shown ZERO reason to moderate here ,you are not a builder .

Stefan has never put a copypaste  OU newspaper reporter
in charge of moderating builders.

or is it theory which you choose to moderate ? with no experience beyond what you read?? ....or that we can all read anywhere in a 5 second google search?


that is beyond Odd!!

if it wasn't so odd it would also be funny....

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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2017, 06:11:32 PM »
I don't want to moderate builders - but to protect readers and posters seriously interested about overunity research from verbose clueless trolls, who are systematically polluting and diluting this forum with posts oriented to individual people instead of facts. The fact you're doing experiments doesn't mean, you cannot be clueless regarding overunity in similar way, like some very last troll here. After all, mainstream scientists are doing experiments all the time - does it qualify them for research of overunity?


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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2017, 08:30:00 PM »
Well
this is moving in a direction now ,I was honestly confused.
so you want to be forum " OU topic police" ??

I still believe it would be a good example to show an OU topic which you believed can be discussed here /or experimented with here.

you do realize that the level of contributors here goes from "extreme Novice"
to "the skies the limit"

showing any true anomaly here would be a good start ?

IMO you have gotten off to a bad start
 your Quote "OU is easy""

left us with great expectations....

??



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