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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2017, 11:18:53 PM »
For me, I believe that as we reach 23-24 years old, smart people like zephir and others we would like to get instant scientific recognition and be millionnaire and forever safe in our overunity hiding lair somewhere in the mountains.

But, as time passes, you start realizing that you might be fucking up in life. Its best to concentrate on the simple things in life and be good at that, work for a company and humble yourself. Either it be software or engineering or simply machining, something in these activities makes it as satisfying work.

I believe overunity researchers need to humble themselves vs science and that its as as easy as we originally tought, some of us have difficulty with hard math so we would be satisfied by instantly rebalancing things in our favor. The world is funcitonning well enough that we can purchase energy needs from expert engineer companies, who will provide us with 120 volt power for our applicance, and if we simply need to work to purchase energy needs its best to be just a regular guy and not an overunity researcher. Time is money and if its wasted on foolish things we are not optimizing our time on earth.

That is all, I am abandonning overunity because Its not needed.

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Offline h20power

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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2017, 12:07:36 AM »
Stanley Meyers... That name recalls me much waste of time.

Your friends gave up and so have I.

Just as they banned you I would also have banned you.

They did nothing wrong, they saw the "light". You say you are in a bad mood and "ARMCORTEX HAS CAUSED ME TO QUESTION"...

LOL... You are the guy who has been clinging to Meyers longer than everybody I know, are you just stubborn? brilliant? Tenacious? crazy?

If you made such a good injector and it worked. Just like Herman P Anderson and Stanley Meyers, I havent seen
any replications. with 30k I can go farther, I used to tell people to just give me their money in the days as well, that I would build it
for them, I think I had idiots like you in my way as well thus I quit.

When are these old guys with illusions of grandeur gonna tell somebody about it and it will get replicated. Small injector will it see the light od day? Its certainly attractice technology, but in the end...we face possibility of bullshit. I would like to see more proof about Herman Anderson.

I would like to believe that Herman P anderson injector and Meyers injector would work, I am optimist, I am awaiting them
or somebody to test if it turns into a self runner.

At the time, I was trying to make an electrolyser as it seemed more of an easier test than injector motor, wich makes noise for night work. To me it was clear, either the brother of a fraud is not worth following, or either Stan was a good willed fool who had also illusions of grandeur but did manage to progress heavily and his brother surpassed him since he said he did.

All this time investment now stands on very poor foundation thus I pulled out. Have I had the investment shipped to me I would have progressed. I tried to convince some to do it my way but it was too late for them, their minds were lost.


I know you would have banned me too as you have the same type of power trip personality I'd even be willing to call you a Max Miller clone but you far worse than he is. But I do hear you on the working at your own pace as I do that all the time. People that sit around doing nothing like to speed up my pace but they never contribute to the case other than to try and make me upset most of the time. Unlike you I have built a lot of my CAD designs as they are not just on a computer program or drawing anymore for they are in the world of the real. Just like Meyer stated in one of his video people like us have to be somewhat thick skinned for most people will try hard to get in your way for they are use to the crabs in a bucket mentality, but thankfully not all people are like that.


As for the 23-24 year old's perhaps they like the idea of going from rags to riches but as long as they don't take your approach I'm fine with them. Since I am a half century old I guess I am just a stubborn old man now but since I work at my own pace based on what I figure out through experimentation and build things in an affordable manor I guess I'm not so much the foolish type. I knew starting out that to make use of the scientific method was a long process but I have lived long enough to understand that following that method often times yields good results one just has to have patients.


On Zephir I guess I should take a look at what's going on so that I know the full story as I have no idea what he/she is up too and/or doing. But right now isn't a good time as I am truly focusing on the task at hand now. Being humble is tough at times but doable as most of the time it's just a choice to be mean, like you, or to be nice to people like the rest of us. At first I offered you some sound advice but you are like those 23-24 year-old's that you speak of wanting to take the easy road and not work for it like everyone else has to which I thought was being very nice. But your response of wanting to spend other people's money was very troubling. Then you had an attitude like people owed you something and should just fork over the cash to you as you, without humility, demanded it of them. I am surprised that you could even bring yourself to actually type out the word HUMILITY given how much of a jerk you have shown yourself to be towards people.


As for your giving up on Meyer's technology that is music to my ears as the world doesn't need greedy people like you behind a disruptive technology such as this. These disruptive type technologies need people that can honestly care about others outside of their inner circle of friends and you are not that type of a person, agreed? Trust me I am not the only one that views you this way as it's just how you have come across to all of us in this forum. Lets face it you are not a nice man as your parents failed in raising you to care for anyone outside of yourself, but like I have said in the past it doesn't always have to be this way as you can change if you want to.


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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2017, 01:16:04 AM »
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That is all, I am abandonning overunity because Its not needed.

This is indeed your full right, but my experience is, once the price of oil jumps above 200 USD/barrel, then the risk of global nuclear war becomes imminent, because the geopolitical situation will become way too unstable. The so-called renewables increase the fossil fuel consumption on background, because they require huge amount of raw sources - and they cannot provide permanent solution of energetic crisis. Now the situation between Russia and USA becomes unstable again, because Russia is the largest exporter of oil. The war in Syria already did a large damage to Europe because of immigration crisis.

Therefore if you have a children, you should bother about overunity quite a lot - just from trivial self-preservation reason. The ignorance of cold fusion and overunity already did a large damage on civilization and it was the primary reason of both world wars. Every ignorance comes at its own cost.

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as time passes, you start realizing that you might be fucking up in life

On the contrary, with my increasing age I do realize, that the forming family and getting a job cannot be only achievement of life. For me even the people, who raised children successfully without contribution to progress wasted their lives, because the pure reproduction will not move us forward as a civilization. It just consumes the resources, which aren't infinite. We are destroying or life environment step after step, despite we are willing to admit it or not. Therefore the overunity research is also important with respect to protection of nature and life environment for our children. But the research of overunity can be also a big scientific motivation and fun. For me it's a scientific research in its crystalline pure inquisitive form, in which every of you can actively participate and become a frontier of progress in this way.

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I believe that as we reach 23-24 years old, smart people like zephir and others we would like to get instant scientific recognition and be millionnaire and forever safe in our overunity hiding lair somewhere in the mountains.

You would die way before its first replication, not to say acceptation. The verification of heliocentric model has been delayed by 160 years, the replication of overunity in electrical circuit has been delayed 145 years (Cook 1871), cold fusion finding 90 years (Panneth/Petters 1926), Woodward drive 26 years, EMDrive 18 years and room superconductivity finding by 45 years (Grigorov 1984).

Why the hell are you believing, you would be recognized and celebrated faster? The human ignorance has no limits and its spans multiple centuries. And you just illustrated one of mechanism, in which this ignorance works.


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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2017, 01:38:47 AM »
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your response of wanting to spend other people's money was very troubling

I'm not sure, what are you talking about here. For me the overunity research is human activity like any other and it can be vastly optimized in its current state. The mainstream science still fucks this branch of research, so that we must help themselves. We must organize the exchange of information better, we must organize our experiments better and we must get rid of trolls, who are boycotting this effort - all at once. The clueless twaddling at anonymous forum doesn't work well  - it actually converted the overunity.com into a brake of further progress. The western word (which drove the overunity research in the past) became decadent - now the private companies and anonymous Russian and Asian guys got more progressive in it, than this western forum.


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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2017, 01:51:38 AM »
Dont be crazy now zephir. Taking life decisions on world war 3 and overunity is very up there in crazytown.

Your odds of achieving overunity are quite low, and the odds of world war 3 is pretty low also, its all fearmongering.

You should prepare to for eventual normal future without world war 3 and without overunity like normal person.

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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2017, 01:55:33 AM »
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These "normal persons" did pass through two world wars already (with 100 million causalities in total) and they damaged their life environment with their "normal future" heavily. So I think, it's time not repeat the same mistake third time. This is not a fear mongering but an application of precautionary principle and risk management approach. Not accidentally just the USA (which didn't have war on their territory for 200 years) are spending into arm race so much.

"Si vis pacem, para bellum". The ignorance of war risk is the most reliable way how to start with it.

In addition - as I'm getting familiar with overunity research more and more - I'm just getting an impression, we managed to ignore thousands of findings and patents without any attempt for replication, so that the 20th century was actually a century a immense scientific ignorance, despite the undoubted progress in technology. This is just getting plain silly.

If you want to live without overunity, what the hell are you doing and looking for right here? Don't you feel schizophrenic a bit? The people who are calling for ignorance of overunity just at the forum named OVERUNITY.COM should be immediately banned from there, as they're missing (and actually intentionally disrupting) the very meaning and purpose of this forum - we have enough of naysayers outside this forum anyway.

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Re: A Discussion with Zephir all comments welcome
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2017, 04:21:45 AM »
I'm not sure, what are you talking about here. For me the overunity research is human activity like any other and it can be vastly optimized in its current state. The mainstream science still fucks this branch of research, so that we must help themselves. We must organize the exchange of information better, we must organize our experiments better and we must get rid of trolls, who are boycotting this effort - all at once. The clueless twaddling at anonymous forum doesn't work well  - it actually converted the overunity.com into a brake of further progress. The western word (which drove the overunity research in the past) became decadent - now the private companies and anonymous Russian and Asian guys got more progressive in it, than this western forum.


I was talking about the Arm guy as this is what he posted back to me as a response to me telling him to get a loan so that he could move forwards. Here read it for yourself:
[/font][/size]I prefer to put other people's money where my mouth is, I have calculation overunity and hard design, I need other person's money. 30% is something I am happy with.[/size]I need big money person, who gambles this type of money on a weekly basis.As for your hydrogen hobby, as I have told you time and again, the buck stops with Stan's brother, Stephen, and I have the circuit here for you to pursue the patent wich was rejected. Stephen knows better, he has saved nuclear reactors and is top engineer. If Stephen lied, then all is a lie, you lose either way.I believe I have an old PCB file for this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f80CdFTf6f4
For as you can see this is not a proper answer for someone telling him to take out a loan.[/font][/size]

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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2017, 05:05:16 AM »
H20power you have wasted 30k on failed concepts, and you have nothing, all you have is excuses and small bubbles.

I have never seen smaller bubbles than what you showed.

That was not worth 30k

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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2017, 06:21:05 AM »
H20power you have wasted 30k on failed concepts, and you have nothing, all you have is excuses and small bubbles.

I have never seen smaller bubbles than what you showed.

That was not worth 30k


With this said I think it's time you climb back under that rock you climbed out from for in your own words you have stated you have given up so do so already! Like I said no one has time for your type of comedy right now.

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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2017, 12:22:02 AM »
H2Opower,

Go learn how to design electronics, go learn how to build things.

All you have learned is how to solder schematics from Stan Meyers. You have studied the pseudoscientific book of Stan and now you think you know something? You have been misled, you have studied nothingness and wasted money and time. You know how to make under unity and tiny bubbles, at your conference you were acting like you had a full fledged Meyers over unity  production but your high voltage produced tiny bubbles, very tiny and small balls of hydrogen.

The money of beginners, amateurs, and rich people is better spent by somebody with a good and practical brain like myself, who has trained himself to be practical and self sufficient in the building of electro mechanical devices using the most modern technology and proper methods, of course all the money should go to me and not a half wit like you.


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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2017, 02:51:21 AM »
Zepher, What exactly are you doing? I took a brief look at some of your post and it seems to be some sort of water for fuel technology or did I miss something? Anyway I hope you are prepared for the long haul as bringing something to market isn't all that easy to do these days. Mostly you have to find the market for your wares as without any demand the idea will always fail. If you have no plan to go to the market then you don't understand fully how the markets work, but you won't be alone as most people in these Open Source forums don't understand how the markets actually work.


Open Source truly only works for things that do not require any physical materials like programs and things like that. If at any point something has to be built then the market rules kit in and things must be brought in bulk and made in mass to bring the per unit cost down. I find that it's people's ignorance of these rules that messes up the whole thing as they simply will not come together to make something positive happen as a group and instead choose to act as individuals pretending that the market rules simply do not apply to them. This dream world mentality along with the rip-offs people, and cheats make it so Open Source always fails as it treats things like a competition to which the primary goal is to get money and not achieve energy independence. It becomes a world where everyone is in it for self and care for the common good of humanity gets tossed out the window. This Arm guy is a perfect example as he is a lair, a cheat, and in general a totally mean person whom primary concern is only for himself and thus stepping on the little guy becomes a way of life for people like him and they do it regularly and without any form of feelings for those they deem lesser than themselves. They don't understand the bases of what it means to be a caring person as their world has only dollar signs in it and anything that gets them more dollars is worth their time. They will do all kinds of bizarre things for money even sellout their own mothers and fathers if the price is right. The problem is there are far too many of them that flock to these Open Source forums in search of a quick buck and do all they can to prevent people from coming together to work as a team for the common good.


I have run into so many people like him that I have lost count but I understand that it is the entire monetary system that breeds people like this as they align themselves with the goals of the bankers. Like the bankers they will side with both sides of any war as they stand to profit from them and live for the feud.  It's sad but it is what the current monetary system breeds.



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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2017, 03:10:06 AM »
Lets separate the problems, whether the free energy is working and/or whether the free market with free energy is working.
It has no meaning to discuss later without having the former - but not vice-versa.


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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2017, 03:55:44 AM »
Years ago I would participate in Gary Hendershot's Smart Scarecrow show and he would routinely ask guests of his show, "How long until I can buy such a device on the corner endcap at Walmart?"

The simple answer is never, because it is a suicide mission to even try.

Here in a nutshell is how the markets work:   Big fish eat little fish.

Guys like Elon Musk know this.  They know they are little fish.  You have to charge a Tesla, Inc. car up before you can drive it.  Only a complete fruitcake would think otherwise.

So Ed, take my advice, please, if you get your system working as a true undeniable over unity device, best thing you can do is hook-up with Nelson Rocha's employer.  Those folks can at least provide you some cover so you can continue your research and development.  You go public and I promise you will be crushed like a bug.  The big fish of the markets absolutely will not tolerate disruption to their system.  These boys buy and sell countries like kids with baseball trading cards.  Anyone that gets in their way will be eliminated from the pages of time, quickly, severely and irreversibly.  This is their world, their playground, not ours.

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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2017, 04:32:12 AM »
There is not over unity research team, there is none of that.

There is insecure clueless groups of people that get together and still there is no results, then the pettyness starts, then there is leeching and ego and arguments.

I work alone, and I pay things with money, never my money, there is not enough of my money to spend on experimentation as there is priorities.

If people like H2Opower spend 30k and get loans from the bank that's their problem.

Its not about reaching the market, in the case of H2Opower, his technology is useless and not sound economically.

I never wanna see people like H2Opower with water engines,
Its scary, the way he acted and showboated with those small balls of hydrogen makes me scared, what if he had big balls?

Overunity belongs to a very select group, a very responsible and wise group who will not abuse or showboat.

You don't see a master Jedi go out there in the street and start to use force powers just to feel good, such characters are not even fit to learn the ways of the force to begin with, for uninitiated force user to have it is immediate danger.

Do you want Kim jong in to attack us with water fuel speed boats?

You sir H2Opower are a very dangerous individual.




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« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2017, 06:17:34 AM »
But honestly tho, H20 power, show me 30k worth of gear.

I think you are full of shit, I think you axagerate everything by 10x your painful road to Stanley Meyers commitment.

Come on... That aluminum tube, that cell... I don't even see 3k there.

I wanna see what's behind your company, I wanna see pictures of your product and why you think it should become a company.

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