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Author Topic: Some Bifilar coil experiments  (Read 6638 times)

Offline Zephir

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2017, 03:25:50 PM »
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Are you talking about a series bifi coil as shown with connections as Tesla has shown in his pat for Electromagnets? Or are you talking about reversing one of the filar conductors connections so as its currents are flowing in the opposite direction of the other?

I'm talking about A) type of bifilar coils, in which the currents in neighboring wires flow in opposite direction. The Tesla's bifilar coils are D) type.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2017, 03:48:20 PM »
I'm talking about A) type of bifilar coils, in which the currents in neighboring wires flow in opposite direction. The Tesla's bifilar coils are C) type.

Ok, so your type A is where if we were to look at that same pic you posted there, then the input would be connected to the red and blue on the left side and the right side the blue are connected together. Right?  If so, just wondering, is there a use for that? Thanks

Mags


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2017, 03:51:08 PM »
I'm talking about A) type of bifilar coils, in which the currents in neighboring wires flow in opposite direction. The Tesla's bifilar coils are C) type.
Indeed thats what I thought. you are talking about coil A (this topic does not discuss this)

Coil C is not stated in telsa's patent (blue and red coils are shortcut on themselves, and not connected)

Coil D is stated in teslas patent. series connected.
This is the coil I am interested in.

I took your Imgur pic, and enhanced it.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2017, 03:55:34 PM »
Ok, so your type A is where if we were to look at that same pic you posted there, then the input would be connected to the red and blue on the left side and the right side the blue are connected together. Right?  If so, just wondering, is there a use for that? Thanks

Mags

Like if we were to add a 3rd winding that just rode on top of the bifi, in the valley between each bifi pair, as wired in A type, would the 3rd be induced by the mag bubbles you had shown in that earlier pic, without affecting the A type bifi?  Like in the A type, I can understand that inductance will be canceled out when we apply input.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2017, 03:57:33 PM »
Indeed thats what I thought. you are talking about coil A (this topic does not discuss this)

Coil C is not stated in telsa's patent (blue coil is shortcut on itself)

Coil D is stated in teslas patent. series connected.
This is the coil I am interested in.

I took your Imgur pic, and enhanced it.

ok so the bifi tesla shows is a D type, not a C type as Zepher said. Just went back and corrected as I thought he said B, but it was C.

Mags

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2017, 04:11:10 PM »
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bifi tesla shows is a D type, not a C type as Zepher said... this topic does not discuss this

Confirmed, corrected. I don't know, which type of bifilar coil this topic is supposed to discuss.
But I don't see any usage for D) type coil with respect to my scalar waves based theory, especially not in low-frequency ferrite-core coils.
Recently Nasa claimed that researchers at Caltech have created a new device to “view the quantum world” - it looks just like Tesla’s bifilar coil except - it is wired differently, where the electrical currents would run in opposite directions parallel to each other.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2017, 06:28:43 PM »
Confirmed, corrected. I don't know, which type of bifilar coil this topic is supposed to discuss.
But I don't see any usage for D) type coil with respect to my scalar waves based theory, especially not in low-frequency ferrite-core coils.
Recently Nasa claimed that researchers at Caltech have created a new device to “view the quantum world” - it looks just like Tesla’s bifilar coil except - it is wired differently, where the electrical currents would run in opposite directions parallel to each other.
NASA (Never A Straight Answer said Eric p Dollard)
quote from the nasa article:
This new type of amplifier boosts electrical signals
Indeed it does. I have build a type A coil  (with simple wire) solenoid style. equal diameter and height, slight spacing (1,5) between the windings.
Wound like a caduceus coil.

When connected between the earth connection, and the outer rim of a resonant bifilar pancake  coil (type D tesla style),
the inside rim of the bifilar coil shows a higher voltage (amplified) than, when the caduceus coil (type A) isnt there.

no special  superconductors-materials needed...

This topic, is not about the type A (caduceus) bifilar coil.
Its about the type D tesla patent bifilar coil.

Now please discuss your interesting (but off topic) scalar wave theory in your own topic.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2017, 07:25:05 AM »
LOL - and which way of connecting are you interested about? In bifilar coil the magnetic field always have opposite orientation.

No @Zephir
There are two possibilities to conect a bifilar woundet coil.
wire 1 and 2 paralel the end is closed

or

wire 1 and 2 paralel and theend of wire 1 is conected with the beginning of wire 2

Like Nikola Tesla says: there are a bigger capacity of factor 2.500.000 then a singel woundet coil

OK i saw your post Nr #65


Sorry for my ingles but its not my language !

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2017, 04:49:45 PM »
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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2017, 05:15:19 PM »
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There are two possibilities to connect a bifilar wound coil wire 1 and 2 parallel the end is closed

Inside Tesla coil the currents also can propagate against each other in neighboring wires, but it requires high frequency and specific resonance condition - so that the standing waves of distributed impedance interfere each other. I don't know in this moment, if it's necessary condition of overunity and if the type A) wouldn't actually work better in wider ranger of frequencies. At any case, it would be interesting, if the replicators here would check and measure behavior of both variants (A, D) of bifilar coil at once - if nothing else, than just for comparison.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2017, 09:46:29 PM »
Inside Tesla coil the currents also can propagate against each other in neighboring wires, but it requires high frequency and specific resonance condition - so that the standing waves of distributed impedance interfere each other. I don't know in this moment, if it's necessary condition of overunity and if the type A) wouldn't actually work better in wider ranger of frequencies. At any case, it would be interesting, if the replicators here would check and measure behavior of both variants (A, D) of bifilar coil at once - if nothing else, than just for comparison.

In the case for D type as you show, I dont think the LRC diagram next to it is correct. I think the cap resistor and coil should all be in series. The way your diagram shows, there is no resistance in series with the cap nor the inductor and in circuit with only a resistor in parallel as shown, that would make the cap and coil ideal in where they have no resistance between the input terminals. So immediately the cap would charge at infinite current levels. BOOM!.  The Type D coils resistance is the coil, so it would be series, and the capacitance built into the coils windings is also a series situation where the resistance of the coil would RC time the charge to the cap from input.  Like if the type D were to get an initial input of dc, the cap would have to charge through the coil and the coil is the resistance. In the LRC depiction, the cap gets input charge despite the inductor or resistor. Make sense?  And if you have picked up that description picture from some book , etc, they need to review what they are posting as fact. ;)

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2017, 10:40:07 PM »
In the case for D type as you show, I dont think the LRC diagram next to it is correct. I think the cap resistor and coil should all be in series. The way your diagram shows, there is no resistance in series with the cap nor the inductor and in circuit with only a resistor in parallel as shown, that would make the cap and coil ideal in where they have no resistance between the input terminals. So immediately the cap would charge at infinite current levels. BOOM!.  The Type D coils resistance is the coil, so it would be series, and the capacitance built into the coils windings is also a series situation where the resistance of the coil would RC time the charge to the cap from input.  Like if the type D were to get an initial input of dc, the cap would have to charge through the coil and the coil is the resistance. In the LRC depiction, the cap gets input charge despite the inductor or resistor. Make sense?  And if you have picked up that description picture from some book , etc, they need to review what they are posting as fact. ;)

Mags

Considering what I said above I was thinking of the possibility of the cap and inductor in parallel with a resistor in series with that, but it still is the inductor that is resistive, and the current from the input needs to go through the inductor to charge the cap, so Im sticking with what I said above.


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2017, 12:00:26 AM »
type d, series or parallel?
I've made a post of it earlier.

for me its neither. the fields interact, as ONE.  it can't be translated to a series or parallel inductor capacitor wire resistance. because it is not made of seperate fields.  the coil has inductance and capacitance,  and resistance all at the same time,  in the same space. So to me it can't be series or parallel.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2017, 02:38:36 AM »
for me its neither. the fields interact, as ONE.  it can't be translated to a series or parallel inductor capacitor wire resistance. because it is not made of seperate fields.  the coil has inductance and capacitance,  and resistance all at the same time,  in the same space. So to me it can't be series or parallel.

I'm with Evo on this one.  In one of Eric Dollard's videos he goes into the extreme complexity of a transformer winding, typically multi-layered.  For any single segment of wire, you have varying magnetic flux all around, some counter and some the same, each with different intensities.  That's just the magnetic portion.  Then we add in all the non-conductive spaces where the dielectric fields are.  It becomes a complete mess to calculate.  Modern day engineers attempt to wash all that complexity away with turns ratios and coupling factors, but that's not what is really going on at the level of the fields.  I didn't even bring in the effect at the atomic layer of the physical materials used and how resistance plays into things.  Everything matters.  You can't just simplify it all away.  There's a symphony of forces at work in these coils.  You have to be able to see it all in your minds eye to have any hope of manipulating it correctly.


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« Reply #74 on: April 20, 2017, 09:39:32 PM »
I'm with Evo on this one.  In one of Eric Dollard's videos he goes into the extreme complexity of a transformer winding, typically multi-layered.  For any single segment of wire, you have varying magnetic flux all around, some counter and some the same, each with different intensities.  That's just the magnetic portion.  Then we add in all the non-conductive spaces where the dielectric fields are.  It becomes a complete mess to calculate.  Modern day engineers attempt to wash all that complexity away with turns ratios and coupling factors, but that's not what is really going on at the level of the fields.  I didn't even bring in the effect at the atomic layer of the physical materials used and how resistance plays into things.  Everything matters.  You can't just simplify it all away.  There's a symphony of forces at work in these coils.  You have to be able to see it all in your minds eye to have any hope of manipulating it correctly.

What video was that Dog-One? I remember reading about the transformer windings, but can remember seeing him talk about it. I would Love to see it.

I just tested my 3 new bifilar pancake coils. They have bigger capacitance (measured between the 2 windings when not connected). and as predicted, the resonant frequency is lower, than my other 3 coils (with lower capacitance, and higher resonant frequency).

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