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Offline evostars

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2017, 07:27:25 PM »
@ zephir
it is indeed possible to make these magnetic fields that are opposite.  but that way of connecting is not what im interested in, nor was it stated in tesla's patent. although his patent seems to be stripped of alot of additional information.

I feel its unnatural to counteract the magnetic fields. although its interesting, I have choosen (for now) to not investigate this way of connecting the bifilar coils.
the dielectric field also is differently between the windings.  the input and the output will have the biggest voltage difference, while the center where the coils connect,  there is no voltage difference.

interesting, but not for me.

I keep working with the coil as discribed in the patent. I request you kindly to proceed with this offtopic different coil at another topic lead.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2017, 07:30:20 PM »
The simplest experiment how to demonstrate the existence of scalar waves violating the classical physics is the attempt for their transmission at distance. The scalar waves aren't absorbed with metals, so that the metal sheets (Faraday cage) can be used for their separation and "purification" from superposed classical, i.e. transverse electromagnetic waves. We can utilize pair of bifilar coils for it, which we separate with grounded Faraday cages or even better with ferromagnetic sheets. Under laws if classical physics no signal should be transferred from generator to detector coil at distance, especially not when the coils will be separated with metal sheet.

The analogous experiment with scalar wave transmission we can arrange with pairs of capacitor, which must be planar (i.e. not rolled - typically high quality mica capacitor), which will be charged into high voltage (the higher the better). If we would load one of capacitors with DC signal, then the another capacitor will detect it at distance. In this situation you'll reveal, that scalar waves have pronouncedly directional character - they're not spreading through vacuum in spherical waves like normal EM wave - but like the superluminal beam. The detection of signal from first capacitor with another one will strongly depend on their mutual orientation. And again: the surrounding of capacitors with conductive shield (Faraday cage) shouldn't affect the scalar wave transmission.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2017, 07:35:48 PM »
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it is indeed possible to make these magnetic fields that are opposite.  but that way of connecting is not what im interested in

LOL - and which way of connecting are you interested about? In bifilar coil the magnetic field always have opposite orientation.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2017, 08:53:17 PM »

I am not here to convince you of anything....I am sharing my experience.  I have issues with many things you have stated above, however, I will keep these things to myself  as they will not be accepted anyway...folk must find their own way. 


Good luck with your research.


Regards
thank you for letting me find my own way. good  luck to you too

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2017, 08:56:36 PM »
LOL - and which way of connecting are you interested about? In bifilar coil the magnetic field always have opposite orientation.
the other way: coilwinding1 outside to inside. coilwinding 2 inside to outside series connected.
In this way the magnetic field of the 2 coil windings produce a magnetic field that cancelles out between the windings.

this is not my way

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2017, 04:34:39 AM »
I didn't "suggest 50 or 60 hz"), I asked "40 - 50 kHz?"


I tried to explain to you that you can use a high ohm resistor, as high as it has to be so it won't pevent the effect, use a megaohm if you like, you can still do the calculation of Watts.


Of course you need to find the resonant frequency for a certain fixed Load, while it is connected!


However, if you are unwilling or unable to actually read my text ( let alone not treating me like a stupid little boy) then this was certainly my last attempt to offer help.


Excuse me for scratching your crown.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2017, 10:48:57 AM »
I didn't "suggest 50 or 60 hz"), I asked "40 - 50 kHz?"


I tried to explain to you that you can use a high ohm resistor, as high as it has to be so it won't pevent the effect, use a megaohm if you like, you can still do the calculation of Watts.


Of course you need to find the resonant frequency for a certain fixed Load, while it is connected!


However, if you are unwilling or unable to actually read my text ( let alone not treating me like a stupid little boy) then this was certainly my last attempt to offer help.


Excuse me for scratching your crown.
50-60hz or khz doesn't matter.  It can work,  as long if it is the resonant  frequency of the top and  bottom coils.(that's what i meant before) my coils don't reach that low.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2017, 11:21:59 AM »
on a personal note: I must admit, I feel very misunderstood. And sometimes I put on my crown.  I can react hard and close minded, because i feel so misunderstood and cast out.
I'm only human.
this is my responsibility.
Im working on this

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2017, 12:14:18 PM »
The bifilar coil (there are many of them) has some inductance and capacitance common with classical coils and capacitors, but these properties are parasitic only. Primarily it's the scalar field/wave generator/receptor. Inside the normal coil magnetic fields are additive, inside the bifilar coils they're acting against each other, i.e. they're producing compression waves, not these transverse shear ones.

The difference between wires of normal coil and bifilar one is similar like the difference between paddles forming surface and underwater sound waves at the water surface. The paddles create mostly surface waves, so that they must operate in unison like the wires passed with current within normal coil. For creation of the underwater waves we must compress and expand water surface periodically, therefore our paddles must move against each other. The formation of surface ripples and their spreading into outside is undesirable secondary effect in fact. The ideal bifilar coil is supposed to spread only scalar waves, not EM waves into outside.

The bifilar coil therefore forms a lattice of magnetic field which are oriented against each other like the magnets which are glued together in repulsive arrangement. Now we can put the principal question: does the property of vacuum change when we have two strong magnets, which act against each other in such a way, their effects are nullified? From perspective of classical Maxwell theory there is no difference between empty vacuum without any magnetic field and vacuum in which strong magnetic field compensate mutually.

From perspective of dense aether model such a fields indeed differ because such a vacuum is rich of energy (the repulsive magnets can do a work) and we have analogy for it in dielectric field of charged capacitor. The vacuum between plates of charged capacitor gets polarized and its plates attract or repulse itself in similar way, like the magnet in attractive or repulsive arrangement. The capacitors charged to a high voltage therefore can serve as a generators and/or detectors of scalar waves in similar way, like the bifilar coils.

Are you talking about a series bifi coil as shown with connections as Tesla has shown in his pat for Electromagnets? Or are you talking about reversing one of the filar conductors connections so as its currents are flowing in the opposite direction of the other?

Otherwise how is it the magnetic relationship between adjacent turns change with a bifi coil vs a normal coil of the same dimensions as you have described?

Mags

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2017, 02:28:06 PM »
I was in a bad mood when I wrote that, psl excuse me.
I don't believe in "there is no free lunch" and the invincibility of the law of energy conservation, so I guess we're on the same side.
kr

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2017, 02:39:29 PM »
I was in a bad mood when I wrote that, psl excuse me.
I don't believe in "there is no free lunch" and the invincibility of the law of energy conservation, so I guess we're on the same side.
kr
I also was in a bad mood.
 We all live on this great planet, together.


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2017, 03:25:50 PM »
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Are you talking about a series bifi coil as shown with connections as Tesla has shown in his pat for Electromagnets? Or are you talking about reversing one of the filar conductors connections so as its currents are flowing in the opposite direction of the other?

I'm talking about A) type of bifilar coils, in which the currents in neighboring wires flow in opposite direction. The Tesla's bifilar coils are D) type.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2017, 03:48:20 PM »
I'm talking about A) type of bifilar coils, in which the currents in neighboring wires flow in opposite direction. The Tesla's bifilar coils are C) type.

Ok, so your type A is where if we were to look at that same pic you posted there, then the input would be connected to the red and blue on the left side and the right side the blue are connected together. Right?  If so, just wondering, is there a use for that? Thanks

Mags

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2017, 03:51:08 PM »
I'm talking about A) type of bifilar coils, in which the currents in neighboring wires flow in opposite direction. The Tesla's bifilar coils are C) type.
Indeed thats what I thought. you are talking about coil A (this topic does not discuss this)

Coil C is not stated in telsa's patent (blue and red coils are shortcut on themselves, and not connected)

Coil D is stated in teslas patent. series connected.
This is the coil I am interested in.

I took your Imgur pic, and enhanced it.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2017, 03:55:34 PM »
Ok, so your type A is where if we were to look at that same pic you posted there, then the input would be connected to the red and blue on the left side and the right side the blue are connected together. Right?  If so, just wondering, is there a use for that? Thanks

Mags

Like if we were to add a 3rd winding that just rode on top of the bifi, in the valley between each bifi pair, as wired in A type, would the 3rd be induced by the mag bubbles you had shown in that earlier pic, without affecting the A type bifi?  Like in the A type, I can understand that inductance will be canceled out when we apply input.

Mags

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