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Author Topic: Some Bifilar coil experiments  (Read 9088 times)

Offline Erfinder

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2017, 05:12:14 PM »
Interesting input Dog-one and Erfinder.

until now we think of it as a bifilar coil with great capacitance.
but what if we start looking at it as a bifilar capacitor with inductance?


Before one's attention is focused on specialized geometry, one should consider a common solenoid style coil.  Ask yourself this.....when are we justified in considering an inductor as though it were a capacitor?





And what if we reinforced the dielectric field? with dielectric material. and by using bifilar foil instead of thin wire. to make the dielectric field area bigger.


This statement reveals that you believe that the field is a function of the material and not the activity of the circuit.....  You want a larger field, increase the activity of the circuit.  You want a larger field, neutralize the negative aspects associated with opposition to change!  It was stated that we can get rid of the conventional style condenser, replacing it with a system of capacity....  Try and comprehend the genius behind that realization! 





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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2017, 06:10:06 PM »
Before one's attention is focused on specialized geometry, one should consider a common solenoid style coil.  Ask yourself this.....when are we justified in considering an inductor as though it were a capacitor?

This statement reveals that you believe that the field is a function of the material and not the activity of the circuit.....  You want a larger field, increase the activity of the circuit.  You want a larger field, neutralize the negative aspects associated with opposition to change!  It was stated that we can get rid of the conventional style condenser, replacing it with a system of capacity....  Try and comprehend the genius behind that realization! 
the bifilar coil capacitor, can store energy in its dielectric field.

the main focus most of the time, seems to be the inductance, the magnetic field of the coil.
while it also has a dielectric field, capacitance.
this dielectric field is made bigger between the windings of the bifilar coil.

this dielectric field is almost unknown. especially the dynamic dielectric field.
at the resonant frequency the voltage can be measured outside of the circuit.
just like the magnetic field can be measured outside the circuit.
so the dielectric field isn't only restricted to between the windings.

in a dc circuit :
the solenoid has a cylinder geometry form dielectric field.  and the magnetic field is wrapped around it. forming a distanced north and south "pole"

the bifilar pancake coil, has a flat disk formed dielectric field geometry.  and in the center of this dielectric disk,  is the north and south "pole".
it all lines up perfectly. thats enough reason for me to explore the pancake bifilar coil instead of the solenoid form. I personally think the pancake is a much more natural form, producing more natural fields.

but thats dc.at ac, at the resonant frequency,  the fields transform.


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2017, 06:39:44 PM »
The bifilar coil (there are many of them) has some inductance and capacitance common with classical coils and capacitors, but these properties are parasitic only. Primarily it's the scalar field/wave generator/receptor. Inside the normal coil magnetic fields are additive, inside the bifilar coils they're acting against each other, i.e. they're producing compression waves, not these transverse shear ones.

The difference between wires of normal coil and bifilar one is similar like the difference between paddles forming surface and underwater sound waves at the water surface. The paddles create mostly surface waves, so that they must operate in unison like the wires passed with current within normal coil. For creation of the underwater waves we must compress and expand water surface periodically, therefore our paddles must move against each other. The formation of surface ripples and their spreading into outside is undesirable secondary effect in fact. The ideal bifilar coil is supposed to spread only scalar waves, not EM waves into outside.

The bifilar coil therefore forms a lattice of magnetic field which are oriented against each other like the magnets which are glued together in repulsive arrangement. Now we can put the principal question: does the property of vacuum change when we have two strong magnets, which act against each other in such a way, their effects are nullified? From perspective of classical Maxwell theory there is no difference between empty vacuum without any magnetic field and vacuum in which strong magnetic field compensate mutually.

From perspective of dense aether model such a fields indeed differ because such a vacuum is rich of energy (the repulsive magnets can do a work) and we have analogy for it in dielectric field of charged capacitor. The vacuum between plates of charged capacitor gets polarized and its plates attract or repulse itself in similar way, like the magnet in attractive or repulsive arrangement. The capacitors charged to a high voltage therefore can serve as a generators and/or detectors of scalar waves in similar way, like the bifilar coils.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2017, 07:27:25 PM »
@ zephir
it is indeed possible to make these magnetic fields that are opposite.  but that way of connecting is not what im interested in, nor was it stated in tesla's patent. although his patent seems to be stripped of alot of additional information.

I feel its unnatural to counteract the magnetic fields. although its interesting, I have choosen (for now) to not investigate this way of connecting the bifilar coils.
the dielectric field also is differently between the windings.  the input and the output will have the biggest voltage difference, while the center where the coils connect,  there is no voltage difference.

interesting, but not for me.

I keep working with the coil as discribed in the patent. I request you kindly to proceed with this offtopic different coil at another topic lead.


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« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2017, 07:30:20 PM »
The simplest experiment how to demonstrate the existence of scalar waves violating the classical physics is the attempt for their transmission at distance. The scalar waves aren't absorbed with metals, so that the metal sheets (Faraday cage) can be used for their separation and "purification" from superposed classical, i.e. transverse electromagnetic waves. We can utilize pair of bifilar coils for it, which we separate with grounded Faraday cages or even better with ferromagnetic sheets. Under laws if classical physics no signal should be transferred from generator to detector coil at distance, especially not when the coils will be separated with metal sheet.

The analogous experiment with scalar wave transmission we can arrange with pairs of capacitor, which must be planar (i.e. not rolled - typically high quality mica capacitor), which will be charged into high voltage (the higher the better). If we would load one of capacitors with DC signal, then the another capacitor will detect it at distance. In this situation you'll reveal, that scalar waves have pronouncedly directional character - they're not spreading through vacuum in spherical waves like normal EM wave - but like the superluminal beam. The detection of signal from first capacitor with another one will strongly depend on their mutual orientation. And again: the surrounding of capacitors with conductive shield (Faraday cage) shouldn't affect the scalar wave transmission.

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« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2017, 07:35:48 PM »
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it is indeed possible to make these magnetic fields that are opposite.  but that way of connecting is not what im interested in

LOL - and which way of connecting are you interested about? In bifilar coil the magnetic field always have opposite orientation.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2017, 07:40:59 PM »
the bifilar coil capacitor, can store energy in its dielectric field.

the main focus most of the time, seems to be the inductance, the magnetic field of the coil.
while it also has a dielectric field, capacitance.
this dielectric field is made bigger between the windings of the bifilar coil.

this dielectric field is almost unknown. especially the dynamic dielectric field.
at the resonant frequency the voltage can be measured outside of the circuit.
just like the magnetic field can be measured outside the circuit.
so the dielectric field isn't only restricted to between the windings.

in a dc circuit :
the solenoid has a cylinder geometry form dielectric field.  and the magnetic field is wrapped around it. forming a distanced north and south "pole"

the bifilar pancake coil, has a flat disk formed dielectric field geometry.  and in the center of this dielectric disk,  is the north and south "pole".
it all lines up perfectly. thats enough reason for me to explore the pancake bifilar coil instead of the solenoid form. I personally think the pancake is a much more natural form, producing more natural fields.

but thats dc.at ac, at the resonant frequency,  the fields transform.


I am not here to convince you of anything....I am sharing my experience.  I have issues with many things you have stated above, however, I will keep these things to myself  as they will not be accepted anyway...folk must find their own way. 


Good luck with your research.


Regards

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« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2017, 08:53:17 PM »

I am not here to convince you of anything....I am sharing my experience.  I have issues with many things you have stated above, however, I will keep these things to myself  as they will not be accepted anyway...folk must find their own way. 


Good luck with your research.


Regards
thank you for letting me find my own way. good  luck to you too

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« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2017, 08:56:36 PM »
LOL - and which way of connecting are you interested about? In bifilar coil the magnetic field always have opposite orientation.
the other way: coilwinding1 outside to inside. coilwinding 2 inside to outside series connected.
In this way the magnetic field of the 2 coil windings produce a magnetic field that cancelles out between the windings.

this is not my way

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« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2017, 04:34:39 AM »
I didn't "suggest 50 or 60 hz"), I asked "40 - 50 kHz?"


I tried to explain to you that you can use a high ohm resistor, as high as it has to be so it won't pevent the effect, use a megaohm if you like, you can still do the calculation of Watts.


Of course you need to find the resonant frequency for a certain fixed Load, while it is connected!


However, if you are unwilling or unable to actually read my text ( let alone not treating me like a stupid little boy) then this was certainly my last attempt to offer help.


Excuse me for scratching your crown.

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« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2017, 10:48:57 AM »
I didn't "suggest 50 or 60 hz"), I asked "40 - 50 kHz?"


I tried to explain to you that you can use a high ohm resistor, as high as it has to be so it won't pevent the effect, use a megaohm if you like, you can still do the calculation of Watts.


Of course you need to find the resonant frequency for a certain fixed Load, while it is connected!


However, if you are unwilling or unable to actually read my text ( let alone not treating me like a stupid little boy) then this was certainly my last attempt to offer help.


Excuse me for scratching your crown.
50-60hz or khz doesn't matter.  It can work,  as long if it is the resonant  frequency of the top and  bottom coils.(that's what i meant before) my coils don't reach that low.

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« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2017, 11:21:59 AM »
on a personal note: I must admit, I feel very misunderstood. And sometimes I put on my crown.  I can react hard and close minded, because i feel so misunderstood and cast out.
I'm only human.
this is my responsibility.
Im working on this


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2017, 12:14:18 PM »
The bifilar coil (there are many of them) has some inductance and capacitance common with classical coils and capacitors, but these properties are parasitic only. Primarily it's the scalar field/wave generator/receptor. Inside the normal coil magnetic fields are additive, inside the bifilar coils they're acting against each other, i.e. they're producing compression waves, not these transverse shear ones.

The difference between wires of normal coil and bifilar one is similar like the difference between paddles forming surface and underwater sound waves at the water surface. The paddles create mostly surface waves, so that they must operate in unison like the wires passed with current within normal coil. For creation of the underwater waves we must compress and expand water surface periodically, therefore our paddles must move against each other. The formation of surface ripples and their spreading into outside is undesirable secondary effect in fact. The ideal bifilar coil is supposed to spread only scalar waves, not EM waves into outside.

The bifilar coil therefore forms a lattice of magnetic field which are oriented against each other like the magnets which are glued together in repulsive arrangement. Now we can put the principal question: does the property of vacuum change when we have two strong magnets, which act against each other in such a way, their effects are nullified? From perspective of classical Maxwell theory there is no difference between empty vacuum without any magnetic field and vacuum in which strong magnetic field compensate mutually.

From perspective of dense aether model such a fields indeed differ because such a vacuum is rich of energy (the repulsive magnets can do a work) and we have analogy for it in dielectric field of charged capacitor. The vacuum between plates of charged capacitor gets polarized and its plates attract or repulse itself in similar way, like the magnet in attractive or repulsive arrangement. The capacitors charged to a high voltage therefore can serve as a generators and/or detectors of scalar waves in similar way, like the bifilar coils.

Are you talking about a series bifi coil as shown with connections as Tesla has shown in his pat for Electromagnets? Or are you talking about reversing one of the filar conductors connections so as its currents are flowing in the opposite direction of the other?

Otherwise how is it the magnetic relationship between adjacent turns change with a bifi coil vs a normal coil of the same dimensions as you have described?

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« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2017, 02:28:06 PM »
I was in a bad mood when I wrote that, psl excuse me.
I don't believe in "there is no free lunch" and the invincibility of the law of energy conservation, so I guess we're on the same side.
kr


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« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2017, 02:39:29 PM »
I was in a bad mood when I wrote that, psl excuse me.
I don't believe in "there is no free lunch" and the invincibility of the law of energy conservation, so I guess we're on the same side.
kr
I also was in a bad mood.
 We all live on this great planet, together.


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