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Offline evostars

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2017, 05:22:28 PM »
I thought about how to extract energy from a high voltage system. As that is a tricky thing. It all needs to be tuned. In the attached drawing I used 2 pulse transformer, to generate AC on the secondary.
Don't know if this would work, but it would be a way to transform the high voltage into low voltage, high current.
The spark gap, would also be part of the system, I believe it should be in the center of the bifilar coils, as that would return some of the spark energy back into the system.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2017, 05:57:03 PM »
You can draw the load from resonance circuits in many ways, but these usually don't involve the overunity. This is where the bifilar coil comes by: it draws the current without inducing the back electromotive force into an circuit.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2017, 11:23:22 PM »
@evostars, of course, I just read the wrong line. We had the same results, I approximated adhoc to 64mJ, you said 65mJ.


However, Voltage alone is nothing. V*A=W. V*V=0...


still, wish you success.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2017, 11:39:22 PM »
@evostars, of course, I just read the wrong line. We had the same results, I approximated adhoc to 64mJ, you said 65mJ.


However, Voltage alone is nothing. V*A=W. V*V=0...


still, wish you success.
I didn't say 65mJ i said 0,65J that equals to 650mJ (m=1/1000).

Thank you for wishing me success.
Success to you too.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2017, 12:44:36 PM »
screenshot of the relation between the pulses of the center coil,  and the resonant sine wave of the reversed south coil

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2017, 01:04:11 PM »
Dear evostars.
screenshot of the relation between the pulses of the center coil,  and the resonant sine wave of the reversed south coil

Dear evostars.

Are you able to resize the above image?

It really does " muck up " the continuity!

I can try to do it if you're unable?

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2017, 01:11:46 PM »
Dear evostars.
Dear evostars.

Are you able to resize the above image?

It really does " muck up " the continuity!

I can try to do it if you're unable?

Cheers Graham.
Done!

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2017, 01:47:14 PM »
Lovely.... :)

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2017, 04:42:54 AM »
Here's a suggestion about how to determine the constant output capacity. A relatively high ohm resistor will not shorten the caps, but yet allows to calculate the constant watts. Moddfied schematic of yours.
It is an interesting project, but you should do this test, unless we should replicate it just for this 1 cent resistor test.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2017, 10:53:51 AM »
Here's a suggestion about how to determine the constant output capacity. A relatively high ohm resistor will not shorten the caps, but yet allows to calculate the constant watts. Modified schematic of yours.
It is an interesting project, but you should do this test, unless we should replicate it just for this 1 cent resistor test.
it won't work like that.
the dc circuit is part of a high frequency ac resonant circuit.
it will discharge the capacitors and the resonant sine will stop.
the resonant system doesnt like resistance. it needs to be able to flow free.
but that doesn't mean there's not an energy potential.
it needs to be transformed in another way.
ohms law only works good with DC.

the suggestion of using 50/60 hz would not bring the system into its resonant frequency

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2017, 03:18:44 PM »
it won't work like that.
the dc circuit is part of a high frequency ac resonant circuit.
it will discharge the capacitors and the resonant sine will stop.
the resonant system doesnt like resistance. it needs to be able to flow free.

I was thinking about this very thing the other day.

Resistance, or maybe better stated, impedance, is an interesting thing when we consider capacitors.

A fully charged capacitor as a load provides very high resistance.
A fully discharged capacitor as a load provides a very low resistance.

So resistance in this scenario can actually be seen as the state of charge on a capacitor.

Quite a long time ago, Erfinder was explaining to me how it is important to keep a capacitor
charged at all times in order for the resonant circuit to perform well.  There's a voltage point
at which if you pull any more energy from the capacitor, the resonant circuit becomes too
damped and dies off.  But if you stay above this voltage point, the resonant circuit remains
undamped and will continue to oscillate freely.  So if we attempt to extract any energy from
the capacitor, we must do it via voltage regulation--only pull the voltage down to the threshold
and no more.

Doug Konzen use the concept of switching between multiple capacitors so that energy
being extracted is never coming from the same capacitor that is currently being charged.
Still, we cannot connect a depleted capacitor back to the resonant circuit, so when a charged
capacitor is switched out and we begin extracting energy from it, we must be careful to
only draw it down to our known threshold.  That way when we switch it back in to be
recharged, it doesn't dampen the resonance.

Something to note:  Nowhere have I mentioned the size of the capacitor or how many.
What is important is the threshold voltage, which determines the resistance the resonant
circuit sees.  My hunch is this is the basis of a parametric oscillator--as the charge state
of the capacitor increases, it's resistance seen by the resonant circuit also increases,
allowing each cycle to reach a higher potential.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2017, 03:44:08 PM »
 ;D

I'm glad you're leaving a trail of popcorn Erfinder.  Having a hell of a time keeping up.   :)

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2017, 04:58:51 PM »
Interesting input Dog-one and Erfinder.

until now we think of it as a bifilar coil with great capacitance.
but what if we start looking at it as a bifilar capacitor with inductance? And what if we reinforced the dielectric field? with dielectric material. and by using bifilar foil instead of thin wire. to make the dielectric field area bigger.

I still wonder what happends with the south coil. the resonant signal is out of phase with the center pulsed coil, and the wires are counter wound (by reversing the coil). Still the voltage rise is much bigger then the north coil.

I wonder If I could use this reverse wound, opposite phase, in another configuration, where the outside coils are pulsed, to make 2 distanced inside coils resonate out of phase.

This way the resonant coils interact direct with eachothers fields. without conflicting with the pulsed outside coils.


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2017, 06:10:06 PM »
Before one's attention is focused on specialized geometry, one should consider a common solenoid style coil.  Ask yourself this.....when are we justified in considering an inductor as though it were a capacitor?

This statement reveals that you believe that the field is a function of the material and not the activity of the circuit.....  You want a larger field, increase the activity of the circuit.  You want a larger field, neutralize the negative aspects associated with opposition to change!  It was stated that we can get rid of the conventional style condenser, replacing it with a system of capacity....  Try and comprehend the genius behind that realization! 
the bifilar coil capacitor, can store energy in its dielectric field.

the main focus most of the time, seems to be the inductance, the magnetic field of the coil.
while it also has a dielectric field, capacitance.
this dielectric field is made bigger between the windings of the bifilar coil.

this dielectric field is almost unknown. especially the dynamic dielectric field.
at the resonant frequency the voltage can be measured outside of the circuit.
just like the magnetic field can be measured outside the circuit.
so the dielectric field isn't only restricted to between the windings.

in a dc circuit :
the solenoid has a cylinder geometry form dielectric field.  and the magnetic field is wrapped around it. forming a distanced north and south "pole"

the bifilar pancake coil, has a flat disk formed dielectric field geometry.  and in the center of this dielectric disk,  is the north and south "pole".
it all lines up perfectly. thats enough reason for me to explore the pancake bifilar coil instead of the solenoid form. I personally think the pancake is a much more natural form, producing more natural fields.

but thats dc.at ac, at the resonant frequency,  the fields transform.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2017, 06:39:44 PM »
The bifilar coil (there are many of them) has some inductance and capacitance common with classical coils and capacitors, but these properties are parasitic only. Primarily it's the scalar field/wave generator/receptor. Inside the normal coil magnetic fields are additive, inside the bifilar coils they're acting against each other, i.e. they're producing compression waves, not these transverse shear ones.

The difference between wires of normal coil and bifilar one is similar like the difference between paddles forming surface and underwater sound waves at the water surface. The paddles create mostly surface waves, so that they must operate in unison like the wires passed with current within normal coil. For creation of the underwater waves we must compress and expand water surface periodically, therefore our paddles must move against each other. The formation of surface ripples and their spreading into outside is undesirable secondary effect in fact. The ideal bifilar coil is supposed to spread only scalar waves, not EM waves into outside.

The bifilar coil therefore forms a lattice of magnetic field which are oriented against each other like the magnets which are glued together in repulsive arrangement. Now we can put the principal question: does the property of vacuum change when we have two strong magnets, which act against each other in such a way, their effects are nullified? From perspective of classical Maxwell theory there is no difference between empty vacuum without any magnetic field and vacuum in which strong magnetic field compensate mutually.

From perspective of dense aether model such a fields indeed differ because such a vacuum is rich of energy (the repulsive magnets can do a work) and we have analogy for it in dielectric field of charged capacitor. The vacuum between plates of charged capacitor gets polarized and its plates attract or repulse itself in similar way, like the magnet in attractive or repulsive arrangement. The capacitors charged to a high voltage therefore can serve as a generators and/or detectors of scalar waves in similar way, like the bifilar coils.

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