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Author Topic: Some Bifilar coil experiments  (Read 9087 times)

Offline evostars

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2017, 05:22:28 PM »
I thought about how to extract energy from a high voltage system. As that is a tricky thing. It all needs to be tuned. In the attached drawing I used 2 pulse transformer, to generate AC on the secondary.
Don't know if this would work, but it would be a way to transform the high voltage into low voltage, high current.
The spark gap, would also be part of the system, I believe it should be in the center of the bifilar coils, as that would return some of the spark energy back into the system.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2017, 05:57:03 PM »
You can draw the load from resonance circuits in many ways, but these usually don't involve the overunity. This is where the bifilar coil comes by: it draws the current without inducing the back electromotive force into an circuit.


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2017, 11:23:22 PM »
@evostars, of course, I just read the wrong line. We had the same results, I approximated adhoc to 64mJ, you said 65mJ.


However, Voltage alone is nothing. V*A=W. V*V=0...


still, wish you success.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2017, 11:39:22 PM »
@evostars, of course, I just read the wrong line. We had the same results, I approximated adhoc to 64mJ, you said 65mJ.


However, Voltage alone is nothing. V*A=W. V*V=0...


still, wish you success.
I didn't say 65mJ i said 0,65J that equals to 650mJ (m=1/1000).

Thank you for wishing me success.
Success to you too.


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2017, 12:44:36 PM »
screenshot of the relation between the pulses of the center coil,  and the resonant sine wave of the reversed south coil

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2017, 12:44:36 PM »
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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2017, 01:04:11 PM »
Dear evostars.
screenshot of the relation between the pulses of the center coil,  and the resonant sine wave of the reversed south coil

Dear evostars.

Are you able to resize the above image?

It really does " muck up " the continuity!

I can try to do it if you're unable?

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2017, 01:11:46 PM »
Dear evostars.
Dear evostars.

Are you able to resize the above image?

It really does " muck up " the continuity!

I can try to do it if you're unable?

Cheers Graham.
Done!

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2017, 01:47:14 PM »
Lovely.... :)

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2017, 04:42:54 AM »
Here's a suggestion about how to determine the constant output capacity. A relatively high ohm resistor will not shorten the caps, but yet allows to calculate the constant watts. Moddfied schematic of yours.
It is an interesting project, but you should do this test, unless we should replicate it just for this 1 cent resistor test.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2017, 10:53:51 AM »
Here's a suggestion about how to determine the constant output capacity. A relatively high ohm resistor will not shorten the caps, but yet allows to calculate the constant watts. Modified schematic of yours.
It is an interesting project, but you should do this test, unless we should replicate it just for this 1 cent resistor test.
it won't work like that.
the dc circuit is part of a high frequency ac resonant circuit.
it will discharge the capacitors and the resonant sine will stop.
the resonant system doesnt like resistance. it needs to be able to flow free.
but that doesn't mean there's not an energy potential.
it needs to be transformed in another way.
ohms law only works good with DC.

the suggestion of using 50/60 hz would not bring the system into its resonant frequency

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2017, 03:18:44 PM »
it won't work like that.
the dc circuit is part of a high frequency ac resonant circuit.
it will discharge the capacitors and the resonant sine will stop.
the resonant system doesnt like resistance. it needs to be able to flow free.

I was thinking about this very thing the other day.

Resistance, or maybe better stated, impedance, is an interesting thing when we consider capacitors.

A fully charged capacitor as a load provides very high resistance.
A fully discharged capacitor as a load provides a very low resistance.

So resistance in this scenario can actually be seen as the state of charge on a capacitor.

Quite a long time ago, Erfinder was explaining to me how it is important to keep a capacitor
charged at all times in order for the resonant circuit to perform well.  There's a voltage point
at which if you pull any more energy from the capacitor, the resonant circuit becomes too
damped and dies off.  But if you stay above this voltage point, the resonant circuit remains
undamped and will continue to oscillate freely.  So if we attempt to extract any energy from
the capacitor, we must do it via voltage regulation--only pull the voltage down to the threshold
and no more.

Doug Konzen use the concept of switching between multiple capacitors so that energy
being extracted is never coming from the same capacitor that is currently being charged.
Still, we cannot connect a depleted capacitor back to the resonant circuit, so when a charged
capacitor is switched out and we begin extracting energy from it, we must be careful to
only draw it down to our known threshold.  That way when we switch it back in to be
recharged, it doesn't dampen the resonance.

Something to note:  Nowhere have I mentioned the size of the capacitor or how many.
What is important is the threshold voltage, which determines the resistance the resonant
circuit sees.  My hunch is this is the basis of a parametric oscillator--as the charge state
of the capacitor increases, it's resistance seen by the resonant circuit also increases,
allowing each cycle to reach a higher potential.

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2017, 03:33:39 PM »
I was thinking about this very thing the other day.

Resistance, or maybe better stated, impedance, is an interesting thing when we consider capacitors.

A fully charged capacitor as a load provides very high resistance.
A fully discharged capacitor as a load provides a very low resistance.

So resistance in this scenario can actually be seen as the state of charge on a capacitor.

Quite a long time ago, Erfinder was explaining to me how it is important to keep a capacitor
charged at all times in order for the resonant circuit to perform well.  There's a voltage point
at which if you pull any more energy from the capacitor, the resonant circuit becomes too
damped and dies off.  But if you stay above this voltage point, the resonant circuit remains
undamped and will continue to oscillate freely.  So if we attempt to extract any energy from
the capacitor, we must do it via voltage regulation--only pull the voltage down to the threshold
and no more.

Doug Konzen use the concept of switching between multiple capacitors so that energy
being extracted is never coming from the same capacitor that is currently being charged.
Still, we cannot connect a depleted capacitor back to the resonant circuit, so when a charged
capacitor is switched out and we begin extracting energy from it, we must be careful to
only draw it down to our known threshold.
  That way when we switch it back in to be
recharged, it doesn't dampen the resonance.


The bold was the standard....I am beyond that now, it has been discovered that if the circuit doing the charging is predominantly capacitive reactive, you can extract energy from the charged capacitor and do not need to recognize a threshold.  Dead shorting the charge cap has no effect on the circuit charging it.  Current produced within and by a capacitive system is fundamentally different than that which is operating in an inductive system.  The capacitor isn't storing current, and as such, it cannot generate those conditions which plague inductive reactive systems.


Resonance needs to be a concept which we see operating across the entire spectrum that the system is transitioning through and not just frequencies associated with parasitic and proximity relations....


Regards


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2017, 03:44:08 PM »
 ;D

I'm glad you're leaving a trail of popcorn Erfinder.  Having a hell of a time keeping up.   :)

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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2017, 03:59:34 PM »
;D

I'm glad you're leaving a trail of popcorn Erfinder.  Having a hell of a time keeping up.   :)


So far I have only see one person barking up this tree....ignore the theory....ignore all the references to the literature, appreciate what's being demonstrated...


http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/#.WPN4KfmLSUk




He's got it on the line, but is oblivious as to how big that thing is which is circling his boat.......


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Re: Some Bifilar coil experiments
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2017, 04:58:51 PM »
Interesting input Dog-one and Erfinder.

until now we think of it as a bifilar coil with great capacitance.
but what if we start looking at it as a bifilar capacitor with inductance? And what if we reinforced the dielectric field? with dielectric material. and by using bifilar foil instead of thin wire. to make the dielectric field area bigger.

I still wonder what happends with the south coil. the resonant signal is out of phase with the center pulsed coil, and the wires are counter wound (by reversing the coil). Still the voltage rise is much bigger then the north coil.

I wonder If I could use this reverse wound, opposite phase, in another configuration, where the outside coils are pulsed, to make 2 distanced inside coils resonate out of phase.

This way the resonant coils interact direct with eachothers fields. without conflicting with the pulsed outside coils.


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