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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 49875 times)

Online ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1245 on: Today at 05:37:36 PM »
Partzman

It is unfortunate that TK is one of the Builders who has left this forum

issues with member Synchro and most recently This Fellow Zephir's
TOS violations.


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Offline webby1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1246 on: Today at 05:56:15 PM »
What dose a capacitor do?-stores energy.
If you do not want to store energy,then why do you need a high capacitance value in the coil?


Brad

It can "store" energy as well as it can "transfer" energy.

I was playing with multi-plate caps,, well,, you can charge up one set of plates and another set of plates within that cap can also get "charged" up.

Does it not make a little bit of sense that if you charge the dielectric that a plate or two might respond and react to the change in the dielectric?


Offline Erfinder

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1247 on: Today at 05:56:34 PM »
Still not seeing it yet?

Have you checked this thread?

Observe the pancake coil carefully.  Do you see any core?  Where do you suppose the energy
(or whatever you would like to refer to it as) is being stored?

Capacity my friend, think about what that must be.  Try substituting the word "capacity" for
"ability to __________".

Hint:  Jack fills in the blank in this post.


Do you understand how this change in perspective leads one to being able to take energy without opposition? Like I suggested before, ignore the theory....comprehend what's being done, and when you get it it, perfect it.  If you know what this is, prove it....put it to use charge a high uF cap...for starters....leave your meters out of this....comprehend, and optimize first, then do all the measuring you want.


I was never going to disclose what Jack has shared....he's nowhere near where he could be, but it's a hell of a start, you all got a shit load of catching up to do....  most will play around and see a novel effect but will get bored and move on....I am hoping that this stage comes and goes fast....


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1248 on: Today at 05:59:23 PM »
FWIW, attached is a sim of a TBP coil modeled as a cross coupled symmetrical transmission line which hopefully will answer some questions about the uniqueness of this device.

Could you put that in newbie terms?

I think you are saying that almost no current flow and yet there is still an induction transfer?


Offline Erfinder

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1249 on: Today at 06:04:12 PM »
It can "store" energy as well as it can "transfer" energy.



Why differentiate between storing and transferring....not a question... Imagine a harmonic synthesis of the two, where to transfer is to store.  Isn't this what is taking place in a LC....not a question.... 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline Erfinder

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1250 on: Today at 06:14:19 PM »
Thanks for the answers and the caution.


No cautions being made.....just sharing...

Would you say you are not really using the coil as "just a coil",, more like a control device?


My dogma....


A coil, or more proper a "reactor" is a mechanism which enables one to leverage opposition to change.  From this perspective, one could consider it as a "control device", however, one must be specific regarding what one is "controlling and or attempting to control."


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1251 on: Today at 07:50:07 PM »
I see natural events all around that are upon themselves a constant change,, and thus no change.  Interfere with this and you make a change.

The caution was on the out-gasses that might be produced,, I did not consider what other things may come about from using an open system as such.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1252 on: Today at 07:55:07 PM »
Could you put that in newbie terms?

I think you are saying that almost no current flow and yet there is still an induction transfer?

There is current flow within the TBP that is recirculating and creating induction in the windings, but little current exits the circuit at the frequency shown in the example.  This circulating current is the result of energy transfer between the winding inductances and the distributed capacitance between windings.  The small current in the sense resistor on the output represents the losses in the TBP such as the DC resistance of the windings and other parasitics.   

The internal induction of the TBP can be sensed with an external coil and if the coil is loaded, the current in the output sense resistor to ground will increase as energy is drawn from the transmission line or TBP.

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