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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2017, 04:56:12 PM »
AlienGrey
sir,
not trying to speak for TinselKoala here, this Topic "Nelson circuit"[or other name ??] will be opened soon [with Nelson's permission [already approved]]
and some have asked Tinsel for a build up of this circuit ,for discussion here so as to learn
what is possible there [others will be building too]

it will be a moderated topic [been much disrespect of Topics lately Stefan will be fixing that soon ].

respectfully
Chet K
Thanks for the information young Ramset, I have done some tests already myself but found it difficult tracing Nelsons circuit in his videos on several of his projects, with no avail, even after chatting to Nelson himself, of course, there are so many variables like rewinding MOT' and Earth loops to water supply Earths ect, and of course different metals in the windings, Anyway when might I ask is this learning curve about to happen, any ideas ? note Tesla does appear to like the use or iron in his projects, i don't know the truth on this being a sauce of free electrons or not.

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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2017, 05:12:58 PM »
:D Well, the answer to the first part is right there in Faraday's Law of Induction.
 
-E=d(B)/dt     

So to maximize E, you want to maximize the change in B and/or minimize the change in time. This means it isn't the pulse _width_ that is most important for high EMF, but rather the pulse rise and fall times for a given current in the pulse. High currents coming on and going off in the minimum amount of time. The pulse _width_ will then be important (in the form of frequency and duty cycle of pulsation) to allow the RLC bits enough time to charge/discharge to the required degree before the next pulse comes along. A well-designed Tesla Coil of modern form does all this explicitly, and it is the reason why Tesla spent so much time on spark gaps of various kinds.

Is it possible to get a "gain" or not? Well that all depends on what you mean by "gain". Certainly you can push the EMF or BEMF to ridiculously high voltages by using fast rise/fall times. By the right combination of frequency and VRSWR (voltage rise by standing wave resonance) can you entrain extra energy from "somewhere" (environment, space, vacuum, water, ten-year-olds, etc)... well, that's the 64 dollar question, isn't it.   ???

(But I wouldn't put my money on the ten-year-olds.)   ;)

Might a better 64 dollar question be,,

How can the operator use a losy system to achieve a gain?


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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2017, 08:20:45 PM »
Well, unlike some other people posting on this forum (without presenting a lick of proof) I do not pretend to "know" how to achieve OU performance in an electrical circuit. Yet!

However I suspect that IF it can be done, it will involve stressing space with extremely high voltage gradients and very fast transitions. See the papers published in mainstream physics journals by Hal Puthoff and Michael Ibison for some hints and some justification for my "guesses" in this matter. Polarizing the vacuum, changing the refractive index of space itself, tapping the real ZPE (not some bogus dreamlike fiction of what ZPE is), entraining environmental energy (as Tesla said "tapping the wheelworks of Nature) ... these are things that will require not only careful and knowledgeable construction of apparatus but also a solid grounding in actual physics. And maybe these things are simply beyond the reach of hopeful amateurs like us, or maybe not. Only careful and knowledgeable experimentation, along with hard criticism when stuff that is simply wrong is tossed about, will have any chance of finding out.

When people here repeat silly conjectures that are easily proven wrong, or buy into bogus models of physical reality that in fact do not represent actual reality, that does a real disservice to everyone who is honestly experimenting along these lines.  Censorship does not help when it is not based in reality. It is important to discuss even the false claims, by showing them to be false so that others do not make the same errors. Claims without evidence, or blindly falling into hopeful belief of fairy tales or money-grubbing YouTubers, can be dismissed as the fictions they are.

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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2017, 09:02:50 PM »
It does seem that a lot of people can not or will not change there assumption in the face of empirical data.

I am playing with actually a very simple possible solution and if what I am observing in my electro-mechanical testbeds can also be seen in a solid state device,,

Assume for a moment that you an have a 100% efficient transfer in a 10:1 step down transformer,, but not using it the normal way.

Instead, while you are charging the primary up to its constant state current flow the secondary is not connected, then when the primary reaches its constant state current flow you connect the secondary to the load and then interrupt the input to the primary.

The load supplies the needed resistance to the secondary so that the output lasts for 1\10 the time it takes to charge the primary.

In the real world I have read that using a transformer this way is only about 30% efficient,, but that might be good enough.

Now have 10 transformers with the primary side all connected in parallel to your source and the secondary side all connect appropriately to the same load.

Interrupt the primary inputs sequentially, that is one at a time and one after the other.  By the time you get to the last interrupt the first one is at constant state again and ready to be interrupted again.

The load would see a constant input of the output from the transformers,, so by amplifying the power and redistributing the energy that way the load could see a larger electrical work potential.

It may be crazy,, but I am seeing this relationship so far with the stuff I am playing with,, I have not yet built a full testbed but I am getting a 4:1 voltage differential from the same coil when I spin my rotor at the same RPM,, 2 output voltages as seen when using 2 diodes in a FWVD arrangement.


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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2017, 09:15:11 PM »
Well, unlike some other people posting on this forum (without presenting a lick of proof) I do not pretend to "know" how to achieve OU performance in an electrical circuit. Yet!

However I suspect that IF it can be done, it will involve stressing space with extremely high voltage gradients and very fast transitions. See the papers published in mainstream physics journals by Hal Puthoff and Michael Ibison for some hints and some justification for my "guesses" in this matter. Polarizing the vacuum, changing the refractive index of space itself, tapping the real ZPE (not some bogus dreamlike fiction of what ZPE is), entraining environmental energy (as Tesla said "tapping the wheelworks of Nature) ... these are things that will require not only careful and knowledgeable construction of apparatus but also a solid grounding in actual physics. And maybe these things are simply beyond the reach of hopeful amateurs like us, or maybe not. Only careful and knowledgeable experimentation, along with hard criticism when stuff that is simply wrong is tossed about, will have any chance of finding out.

When people here repeat silly conjectures that are easily proven wrong, or buy into bogus models of physical reality that in fact do not represent actual reality, that does a real disservice to everyone who is honestly experimenting along these lines.  Censorship does not help when it is not based in reality. It is important to discuss even the false claims, by showing them to be false so that others do not make the same errors. Claims without evidence, or blindly falling into hopeful belief of fairy tales or money-grubbing YouTubers, can be dismissed as the fictions they are.

Dear TinselKoala.

You have a ROFL....

I have one of these....

IMO it will be when, not if.

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2017, 09:42:30 PM »
How about coil shorting multiple times when it is almost saturated by magnetic field ?   ::)

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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2017, 10:15:22 PM »
How about coil shorting multiple times when it is almost saturated by magnetic field ?   ::)

Try it and see. Nobody (not even Big Oil or the MiBs) is stopping you.

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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2017, 11:58:23 PM »
Well, unlike some other people posting on this forum (without presenting a lick of proof) I do not pretend to "know" how to achieve OU performance in an electrical circuit. Yet!

However I suspect that IF it can be done, it will involve stressing space with extremely high voltage gradients and very fast transitions. See the papers published in mainstream physics journals by Hal Puthoff and Michael Ibison for some hints and some justification for my "guesses" in this matter. Polarizing the vacuum, changing the refractive index of space itself, tapping the real ZPE (not some bogus dreamlike fiction of what ZPE is), entraining environmental energy (as Tesla said "tapping the wheelworks of Nature) ... these are things that will require not only careful and knowledgeable construction of apparatus but also a solid grounding in actual physics. And maybe these things are simply beyond the reach of hopeful amateurs like us, or maybe not. Only careful and knowledgeable experimentation, along with hard criticism when stuff that is simply wrong is tossed about, will have any chance of finding out.

When people here repeat silly conjectures that are easily proven wrong, or buy into bogus models of physical reality that in fact do not represent actual reality, that does a real disservice to everyone who is honestly experimenting along these lines.  Censorship does not help when it is not based in reality. It is important to discuss even the false claims, by showing them to be false so that others do not make the same errors. Claims without evidence, or blindly falling into hopeful belief of fairy tales or money-grubbing YouTubers, can be dismissed as the fictions they are.
So how come Henry Moray managed it? And so did Tesla extract energy from an iron core and early morse code telex transmissions, and why did Gray at Oxford university need to 'doctor' Maxwell's calculations and even Albert Einstein said he found gross errors in Greys doctored publication of Maxwell's publication. ect extra.

They still do it today like the fake news you get on TV like Guys in white hats picking up dead kids from a nerve gas attack, everyone knows Syrian nevre gas is a killer on contact! so are they special or is it a lie.

Regards AG

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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2017, 05:23:23 AM »
I just want to repeat a passage from Tesla's patent 512340:

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l have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured.

(emphasis mine)

The "proper conditions in other respects" refers to the current and the frequency of oscillation. In ANY and EVERY coil.  In the patented winding, the interturn capacitance is increased and so, for a given current, a lower frequency of oscillation is required for this "neutralization of self-inductance" to occur. Also, due to the increased capacitance, the TBF coil's "LC" characteristics mean that the resonant frequency is lower than that of a comparable coil with single winding (which has lower distributed capacitance and hence a higher resonant frequency) when no external capacitors are connected.  Some early texts refer to this _capacitance_ which is able, at a particular frequency, to "neutralize self inductance" as a "negative inductance". In ANY and EVERY coil, TBF or monofilar, just at different frequencies.

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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2017, 10:01:25 AM »
I just want to repeat a passage from Tesla's patent 512340:

(emphasis mine)

However I suspect that IF it can be done, it will involve stressing space with extremely high voltage gradients and very fast transitions. See the papers published in mainstream physics journals by Hal Puthoff and Michael Ibison for some hints and some justification for my "guesses" in this matter. Polarizing the vacuum, changing the refractive index of space itself, tapping the real ZPE (not some bogus dreamlike fiction of what ZPE is), entraining environmental energy (as Tesla said "tapping the wheelworks of Nature) ... these are things that will require not only careful and knowledgeable construction of apparatus but also a solid grounding in actual physics. And maybe these things are simply beyond the reach of hopeful amateurs like us, or maybe not. Only careful and knowledgeable experimentation, along with hard criticism when stuff that is simply wrong is tossed about, will have any chance of finding out.

When people here repeat silly conjectures that are easily proven wrong, or buy into bogus models of physical reality that in fact do not represent actual reality, that does a real disservice to everyone who is honestly experimenting along these lines.  Censorship does not help when it is not based in reality. It is important to discuss even the false claims, by showing them to be false so that others do not make the same errors. Claims without evidence, or blindly falling into hopeful belief of fairy tales or money-grubbing YouTubers, can be dismissed as the fictions they are.
So if there is no such thing as zero point energy where did Henry Moray get it from, and why is Never a Strate Answer so worried about Sun plasma attacks from the sun frying their warmongering space crap ;)? and where does the static electricity surrounding our planet come from, and isn't it the cosmic radiation from the sun's solar winds he was using by somehow turning into it ? which I'm not going into here, but by charging the local area of collection, he would be effectively raising the altitude of his collection dish and since everything is a frequency.

You can find all this information on the internet and the odd statements NASA blurt out and regret later on hence never a straight answer ;)

Regards AG

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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2017, 11:49:13 PM »
Where did I say there was "No such thing" as ZPE? Look up Hal Puthoff's papers. What I did say and mean is that most people in these forums who use the term "ZPE" don't know what they are talking about and are making up some fantasy thing they think is ZPE but isn't.

Where did Moray get his energy? I have some guesses about that, but they don't involve either real ZPE or the forum fictitious ZPE.  :o

The threat to satellites, especially those in geosynchronous or geostationary orbits, from solar plasma discharges (more properly called Corona Mass Ejections, CME, or solar flares) is very real, because they are way up in space and are not protected by the Earth's atmosphere and magnetic field as much as we are here on the ground. However, should a big CME strike the Earth, it will still create havoc both with satellites and here on the ground, as enough energy will couple into the wires of the electric grid to blow out a bunch of stuff, including the hard-to-replace grid transformers. Had such a large CME / flare event happened during the Apollo moonwalk missions, the astronauts would have been toast.

None of this is "secret" so I don't know why you bring up the "Not So Amigos" . 

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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2017, 12:48:08 AM »
Where did I say there was "No such thing" as ZPE? Look up Hal Puthoff's papers. What I did say and mean is that most people in these forums who use the term "ZPE" don't know what they are talking about and are making up some fantasy thing they think is ZPE but isn't.

Where did Moray get his energy? I have some guesses about that, but they don't involve either real ZPE or the forum fictitious ZPE.  :o

The threat to satellites, especially those in geosynchronous or geostationary orbits, from solar plasma discharges (more properly called Corona Mass Ejections, CME, or solar flares) is very real, because they are way up in space and are not protected by the Earth's atmosphere and magnetic field as much as we are here on the ground. However, should a big CME strike the Earth, it will still create havoc both with satellites and here on the ground, as enough energy will couple into the wires of the electric grid to blow out a bunch of stuff, including the hard-to-replace grid transformers. Had such a large CME / flare event happened during the Apollo moonwalk missions, the astronauts would have been toast.

None of this is "secret" so I don't know why you bring up the "Not So Amigos" .
Thanks for defining  an explanation you saved me the trouble although the Atmosphere and magnet field does not stop everything as we are actually bombarded with varying degrees of radiation and it's increasing as petrochemicals destroys our atmosphere and the earth's magnetic field is reported at an all time low ect

I thought an Amigo referred to a man friend so better to be 'not so amigo' as it were  8)

Regards AG


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Re: Investigating the claims of member Synchro 1
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2017, 12:56:08 AM »
The threat to satellites, especially those in geosynchronous or geostationary orbits, from solar plasma discharges (more properly called Corona Mass Ejections, CME, or solar flares) is very real, because they are way up in space and are not protected by the Earth's atmosphere and magnetic field as much as we are here on the ground. However, should a big CME strike the Earth, it will still create havoc both with satellites and here on the ground, as enough energy will couple into the wires of the electric grid to blow out a bunch of stuff, including the hard-to-replace grid transformers. Had such a large CME / flare event happened during the Apollo moonwalk missions, the astronauts would have been toast.

Can't forget the infamous March 1989 geomagnetic storm!

 

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