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Author Topic: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.  (Read 15707 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.
« Reply #75 on: April 20, 2017, 02:44:13 PM »
Yes, that is correct. And if that's what one wants to emphasize, one can fiddle with input voltage and pot setting to get this effect to show up more strongly than in the scopeshot above.

With the transistor open,what is it that is providing the energy that is increasing the amplitude of the ringing ?.

How long will it ring for,and how high will the amplitude rise,if the transistor is allowed to remain open?
 


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Re: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.
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Re: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.
« Reply #76 on: April 20, 2017, 06:51:21 PM »
What would you do, if you would want to keep overunity in the eyes of public untrustworthy in most inconspicuous and unobtrusive way possible? This case just follows classical scenario - the "enthusiastic" tinkering trolls will not replicate the device properly and subsequently they will dismiss it like the fake. How many times we actually did see it here? 

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Re: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.
« Reply #77 on: April 20, 2017, 07:43:48 PM »
tinkering trolls will not replicate the device properly

Come on now Zephir, cut Tinsel some slack here.

Tinsel has his own style that I actually quite like, because his layout is self-documenting.
One image and you have everything you need to imitate his design.


Now we need Jim and Brad to pitch-in their contributions and study what we are looking at.
There's still a possibility of an "ah ha" moment here.  One step at a time...

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Re: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.
« Reply #78 on: April 20, 2017, 08:03:20 PM »
Zephir
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the "enthusiastic" tinkering trolls will not replicate the device properly and subsequently they will dismiss it like the fake. How many times we actually did see it here?

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So your actually calling builders here [more than one] liars and deceivers ...
intentionally building fraudulent replications so as to hide OU ??

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What would you do, if you would want to keep overunity in the eyes of public untrustworthy in most inconspicuous and unobtrusive way possible?

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is that what you just wrote here ?



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Re: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.
« Reply #79 on: April 20, 2017, 08:13:22 PM »
Experiments are indeed crucial for progress of overunity, but the fact you're making dull replicas of overunity devices doesn't mean, you're a builder - you can be also deceiver in very consequences. For example this troll presented most of "original replicas" of overunity devices from all people here and he undoubtedly makes nice profit at YouTube with them, because the "free energy" subject attracts visitors like the honey the bees.

Of course they're all naive fakes and as such not worth the attention: their very purpose is just to mislead people looking for actual overunity research.

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« Reply #79 on: April 20, 2017, 08:13:22 PM »
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Re: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.
« Reply #80 on: April 20, 2017, 08:53:00 PM »
@ Zephir.

Yes, you have pushed one too many buttons. Enough is enough.

After this comment by TinselKoala this morning, I quote.

"  Yes, that is correct. And if that's what one wants to emphasize, one can fiddle with input voltage and pot setting to get this effect to show up more strongly than in the scopeshot above. "

Don't you think that every " Tom Dick and Harry " will be having another look at this inexpensive investigative tool?

I'm asking you politely, for the last time, to desist from calling our members " deceivers " and " Trolls "  any further verbal abuse from you in this thread WILL not be tolerated.

@ Grumage.

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« Reply #81 on: April 20, 2017, 09:25:06 PM »
My two cents...

Here is a list of everyone that has posted in this thread thus far:

Grumage, dieter, TinselKoala, icarus, itsu, AlienGrey, Dog-One, padova, Zephir,
citfta, Jimboot, nelsonrochaa, tinman and ramset.

My suggestion is if you are on this list and haven't built the device, do it now, so
we can compare notes and get to the bottom of what it is we need to learn about
this device.  And please, do not ask Nelson to just tell us the answer.  He can give
us a thumbs up or thumbs down if he so desires.  The only way we are really going
to learn is to do our own work and think for ourselves.  Nelson would have never
put this out there if he didn't feel it was important.  Let's find out what makes it
important.

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Re: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.
« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2017, 09:53:14 PM »

I agree Graham, this Zephir character seems to be only here to provoke us, so we could do without him easily.

Regards Itsu

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« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2017, 09:56:22 PM »
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I'm asking you politely, for the last time, to desist from calling our members "deceivers" and "trolls"

I explained here multiple-times, why Nelson Rocha calls his device a parametric oscillator, why he draws its schemes in a way which he did and why his devices contain elements which I pointed out. Two self-claimed replicators - who otherwise deny the overunity at various places - already managed to ignore them - why this situation occurs here so routinely?

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And if that's what one wants to emphasize, one can fiddle with input voltage and pot setting to get this effect to show up more strongly than in the scopeshot above

I already built many Joule-Thief circuits and saw even more of them at YouTube - so I know, their oscillations and resonance are sensitive to working point of transistors and many other parameters of the circuit. But this sensitivity still doesn't implies the overunity. It actually means nothing, until your circuit doesn't correspond this Nelson Rocha's one.

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Zephir character seems to be only here to provoke us, so we could do without him easily

No doubt, that without me you would pretend overunity research here for another twenty years without problem (and also without any result). But this forum doesn't serve only for you. It's Stephan's public service to all people on the world, it consumes his money - so we all also have the responsibility in its using in most effective and rational way. This forum managed to concentrate many interesting links and ideas from outside - but frankly, its own contribution to original overunity research is quite minimal. Did you ever realize, that everything interesting in this forum has been linked / borrowed from somewhere else? During years the self-claimed "builders" here just managed to dilute this useful information in thousands of clueless posts and dumb pictures of "build progress" and "scope shots" without any tangible result.

Draw the conclusion for yourself.

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Re: N.R.M.R.E. An investigation.
« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2017, 10:44:27 PM »
I explained here multiple-times, why Nelson Rocha calls his device a parametric oscillator, why he draws its schemes in a way which he did and why his devices contain elements which I pointed out. Two self-claimed replicators - who otherwise deny the overunity at various places - already managed to ignore them - why this situation occurs here so routinely?

No doubt, that without me you would pretend overunity research here for another twenty years without problem (and also without any result). But this forum doesn't serve only for you. It's Stephan's public service to all people on the world, it consumes his money - so we all also have the responsibility in its using in most effective and rational way. This forum managed to concentrate many interesting links and ideas from outside - but frankly, its own contribution to original overunity research is quite minimal. Did you ever realize, that everything interesting in this forum has been linked / borrowed from somewhere else? During years the self-claimed "builders" here just managed to dilute this useful information in thousands of clueless posts and dumb pictures of "build progress" and "scope shots" without any tangible result.

Draw the conclusion for yourself.

I do realize, and one of the contributors of that is you, as all what you have presented here up till now is linked / borrowed from somewhere else.

OU if it exists, is nothing trivial, and i think it needs sharp minds and indepth knowledge of physics and electronics bordering that of a genius to figure it out and present.
As long as these Geniuses not come forward and present their work, we the tinkerers will keep on tinkering with all knowledge we have allthough we know that it probably will
take forever this way, but at least we are following our dreams.

Happy linking.


Regards Itsu     

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« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2017, 11:11:02 PM »
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we the tinkerers will keep on tinkering with all knowledge we have although we know that it probably will take forever this way

I already presented my work regarding the Nelson Rocha's circuit (it's not linking, you can find this insight nowhere else on the web). But the tinkerers keep on tinkering with the knowledge THEY still have - not with knowledge WE already have. Nelson Rocha's circuit doesn't work like the classical Joule-Thief circuit, it wasn't even apparently designed so.  My troubles with its replicators here just illustrate the general problem of this forum controlled and driven with tinkerers who struggle to replicate overunity devices according to circuit schemes without any deeper insight and information already available. Such a people not only represent an obstacle for people who would utilize this information already. Because they cannot succeed with their attitude, they also represent a dangerous  deterrent case for future potential replicators - which is IMO even worse.

My stance in this matter  is very simple - if you're not constructing Nelson Rocha's device according to his own recipe, then you're simply off topic right here - no matter how much effort you already put into it - and your posts should be relocated/deleted from here. It's as easy as it is.

What I'm proposing here isn't attempt for some tyranny - but the recipe for streamlined community effort, which is still missing here. At the moment, when the successful replication of overunity devices depends on minute details, then too much liberalism becomes as harmful as the strict conservatism and adherence on principles of classical physics. Which is also IMO the reason, why the community based effort still didn't lead into any successful replication of overunity devices, despite that multiple individuals succeed with it already. More is less and ten individualist people aren't necessarily smarter than single individual, who is still able to learn from others.

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« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2017, 11:59:00 PM »
FFS Zephir we've seen the coil inside the core, thanks for pointing it out and the nature of parametric oscillators. If you want to build and contribute great but name calling behind an anonymous account is cowardly and boring. So stop it or piss off.


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« Reply #87 on: April 21, 2017, 12:05:53 AM »
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Zephir we've seen the coil inside the core, thanks for pointing it out and the nature of parametric oscillators. If you want to build and contribute great but name calling behind an anonymous account is cowardly and boring. So stop it or piss off.

Do you realize, that if the thread will ignore the parametric oscillator trick and the unsuccessful attempts of clueless replicators will dominate this thread for another ten pages, then this insight will get finally forgotten in the same way like many others in another threads? After all, the threads for Nelson Rocha's device were already here and they all ended in the same way - so that Nelson got upset with lack of interest and he leaved this forum.  I'd expect, that group of intelligent people should exhibit a bit higher consciousness, than the pile of ants who just burrow information at the visible surface of forum into an oblivion.

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« Reply #88 on: April 21, 2017, 12:44:16 AM »
What would you do, if you would want to keep overunity in the eyes of public untrustworthy in most inconspicuous and unobtrusive way possible? This case just follows classical scenario - the "enthusiastic" tinkering trolls will not replicate the device properly and subsequently they will dismiss it like the fake. How many times we actually did see it here?

OK, that is it. I have had enough.

The people who are important here know how to contact me, or can find out from those who do know.

Bye.

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« Reply #89 on: April 21, 2017, 12:52:18 AM »
Do you realize, that if the thread will ignore the parametric oscillator trick and the unsuccessful attempts of clueless replicators will dominate this thread for another ten pages, then this insight will get finally forgotten in the same way like many others in another threads? After all, the threads for Nelson Rocha's device were already here and they all ended in the same way - so that Nelson got upset with lack of interest and he leaved this forum.  I'd expect, that group of intelligent people should exhibit a bit higher consciousness, than the pile of ants who just burrow information at the visible surface of forum into an oblivion.


Ok that's it. Are we banning this coward? If not i'm off too.

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