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Author Topic: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team  (Read 6068 times)

Offline Grumage

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #60 on: April 08, 2017, 02:44:08 PM »
Dear Mr. Zephir.

I am well aware, maybe you missed some earlier posts?

What I'm seeing isn't AC, I did oscilloscope tests right at the beginning using a UPS to eliminate any contamination from my industry supply. I saw nothing of an AC nature at all.

My own opinion is that this energy is part of either the Hartmaan or Currie grid system that covers planet earth. As previously stated I was able to partially follow lines and crossings using my dowsing rods.

Kind regards, Mr. Grum.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #61 on: April 08, 2017, 03:15:07 PM »
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What I'm seeing isn't AC, I did oscilloscope tests right at the beginning using a UPS to eliminate any contamination from my industry supply.

Which oscillograms did you actually measure (link)? Was the signal flat or did it have some AC component? Which amplitude it had? The LED will work with AC/DC signal as well as the UPS, because the UPS contain a rectifying diode at input, which protects the rest of circuit against backward current.

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I was able to partially follow lines and crossings using my dowsing rods.

Do you have some map of these observations with major railways, water mains and power grid lines also labeled? The dowsing rods are sensitive to grid lines and indeed to underground metallic pipes too.


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #62 on: April 08, 2017, 04:17:55 PM »
Which oscillograms did you actually measure (link)? Was the signal flat or did it have some AC component? Which amplitude it had? The LED will work with AC/DC signal as well as the UPS, because the UPS contain a rectifying diode at input, which protects the rest of circuit against backward current.

Do you have some map of these observations with major railways, water mains and power grid lines also labeled? The dowsing rods are sensitive to grid lines and indeed to underground metallic pipes too.

My dear Mr. Zephir.

At the risk of sounding blunt, did you actually understand my previous post?

The UPS that was used in the test was totally isolated, unplugged, sat on an insulative base along with the oscilloscope. I saw no ripple whatsoever.

I'm well aware that dowsing can be affected by many external influences, but......
In my younger days I could actually tell a person what the denomination of coin they had hidden under the hearth rug before it was revealed!!

The " Art " was taught to me as an apprentice by my first employer, the local Water company. It was the only effective means of detecting hidden water mains that were not made of metal.

Kind regards, Mr. Grum.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2017, 04:19:55 PM »
Zephir

it is not our first summer here...
you have a knack for stating the profoundly obvious

you have come here with amazing "copy pastes"
which can be found in 5 seconds or less on a google search  [not just talking about this thread

can you offer anything original or unique that fellows here can build or try ?

your act is getting old VERY QUICKLY

after all its not our first summer here we have seen this all before MANY TIMES

all talk no action ??

whats it gonna be ??





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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2017, 04:22:42 PM »
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along with the oscilloscope. I saw no ripple whatsoever

Why not to send photo or screenshot? Which open circuit voltage you got, which differential resistance it had?
How much current and power you can draw from it? What we are supposed to discuss here actually?
Everyone knows, that he cannot get draw too much power from pipes burrowed in Earth.
Even if it would work in a way unexplainable with mainstream physics, such a way of energy production looks extremely impractical.
You cannot travel with it, the energy/power density/load is low and it will probably corrode the ground pipes soon or later.
Your thread provides no clue how to replicate/falsify it. It even provides no data.

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you have come here with amazing "copy pastes" which can be found in 5 seconds or less on a google search

So why nobody else (including you) did still post it in this thread?

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The UPS that was used in the test was totally isolated, unplugged, sat on an insulative base along with the oscilloscope

How did you connected it to your pipes (diagram)?

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2017, 04:22:42 PM »
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Offline Grumage

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #65 on: April 08, 2017, 04:58:22 PM »
My dear Mr. Zephir.

A scope shot of a flat line would be rather boring, don't you think?

" My thread " ?

I don't think so..... I merely contributed with some video observations I made last year.

" Pipes "

Not pipes but commercially available Copper plated Earth rods. I brought the distant rod back to the oscilloscope using a standard extension lead/cord and used my standard oscilloscope leads clipped to the ends.

Kind regards, Mr. Grum.

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« Reply #66 on: April 08, 2017, 05:06:24 PM »
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A scope shot of a flat line would be rather boring, don't you think?

Could you measure it at longer time scale (overnight)? Which voltage you did measure, which currents, which distance of electrodes did you use? How the voltage did change with distance of Earth rods (function curve)? How this function depends on orientation (south-north, west-east) of earth circuit with respect to geomagnetic pole?

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Not pipes but commercially available Copper plated Earth rods. I brought the distant rod back to the oscilloscope using a standard extension lead/cord and used my standard oscilloscope leads clipped to the ends.

Could you collect all data about your experiment at single place (link)?

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #67 on: April 08, 2017, 10:48:14 PM »
@Mr.Grum, I think bringing the distant rod back with an additional cable may pretty much nullify the effect. You probably better use the extension cord to position the scope in the middle of the wire, or just in series at its first rod. Tho, if it really is some nonconventional current, the scope may kill it. The LED test seems to be the most straight forward setup. At daytime, the LED may be housed in a cardboardbox with a peek hole, so it can be seen when lit, despite the daylight.


An other idea was to use an iron wire and wrap one layer of a copper coil over the entire length. That however would be inductive. But I don't want to change the subject.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #68 on: April 09, 2017, 01:07:20 AM »
@Mr.Grum, I think bringing the distant rod back with an additional cable may pretty much nullify the effect. You probably better use the extension cord to position the scope in the middle of the wire, or just in series at its first rod. Tho, if it really is some nonconventional current, the scope may kill it. The LED test seems to be the most straight forward setup. At daytime, the LED may be housed in a cardboardbox with a peek hole, so it can be seen when lit, despite the daylight.


An other idea was to use an iron wire and wrap one layer of a copper coil over the entire length.  However would be inductive. But I don't want to change the subject.
Hi to all, at the risk of appearing pompous and self-righteous, with a dash of arrogance, as we all have our moments but there does appear to be a negative energy in here, And talking of dowsing I get a feeling this disruptive energy has a way of reinventing itself as it's been on here before I feel, but at the end of the day you can always take the fool to knowledge but you can't make them think, sorry for changing the thread focus somewhat, my apologies. but I feel the objective here is to dissuade people from posting use full information that might be of interest to others with hostile bureaucracy.

Regards AG

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #69 on: April 09, 2017, 06:52:29 PM »
Is it possible that the zero current measurement by dr. blue is such because the source is such a high frequency that the DC measurement on the DMM can't see it but some of the LED's are able to rectify enough of it to light up?   Or would that then show up on the meter?  Or is it possible it's then a pulsing DC at a frequency high enough that the meter can't read it?

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #70 on: April 09, 2017, 07:16:11 PM »
Is it possible that the zero current measurement by dr. blue is such because the source is such a high frequency that the DC measurement on the DMM can't see it but some of the LED's are able to rectify enough of it to light up?   Or would that then show up on the meter?  Or is it possible it's then a pulsing DC at a frequency high enough that the meter can't read it?

Yes, of course that is possible and I have demonstrated that effect several times, as have others.

There are other.... less charitable.... explanations as well.

What is not possible is for the LEDs to light up with no current flowing through them.

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« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2017, 05:10:33 PM »
Dear Mr. Chet

At this point it is anybody guess as to which LED's will work, personally I didn't keep track of manufacturers as they all worked with classical current, and that was the only application I had for them in the past. With the limited inventory I have, it's my impression that only every 3rd or so will work, even if it's from the same batch.

Some LED's will work, some will not work, some will only light up once and never work again, some will light up brightly, some will only glow slightly. Some LED panels work, some will not, some will only light up some of the individual LED's, some will... etc etc. But ALL will work flawlessly with classical current.

Therefore we would like to collect data about the LED's used, and maybe we will be able to isolate the exact reason why some work and some don't. The current working theory is that the reason must be found at the atomic level.

I provided a datasheet in my initial post for the 60V filament type LED panels, but that won't do you any good if you have less than 60V MVP at your location.

I have attached a picture of some of my inventory, those on the left work, and those on right don't work (in full), but maybe those that do not work for me will work for you and vice versa, alas additional research is required.

Kind regards
What are those large square LED matrices  (post 24 on page 2)? How are they described? they look very interesting.


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« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2017, 09:45:50 PM »
If the LEDs light up with "no current flowing", then why do they need to be connected at all, with wires,  to a source that is known to produce current?

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2017, 03:03:12 AM »

I have made a quick test, but cannot disprove or verify the claim so far.


An enameled copper wire 0.3mm was connected to 2 soft iron rods, about 4mm diameter. The distance was about
30m +- 5cm. The wire went south north based on compass readings. The rods stuck about 10cm deep in the soil. The wire
was attached near the top of the rods at a height of about 35cm. The wire hanged somewhat trough in the middle, so it
did touch many grass plants. It did not touch the ground tho.


First readings were encouraging. When measuring amps and volts between one end of the wire (or the rod, as
they were connected) and the nearby ground, I was getting -0.7vdc unloaded and between 15 and 25 Microamps when basicly
shortened. I plugged the multimeter right into the ground. I suspect the tip is made of zinc coated copper and thought
it may be a voltaic pile effect. So I used a steel screwdriver as "the ground" and measured between screwdriver and rod/wire.
This increased the amps to 66 uA, but lowered the voltage to -0.45 vdc. Obviously, the ground being positive, suggested
a voltaic pile reaction.


So I disconnected the 30m wire from the rod and measured between rod and wire, there was nothing, no voltage and no
amps. Then I measured between rod (wire not attached) and screwdriver and was getting again 66uA at -0.45vdc.


So the wire did not contribute anything observable.


I tried 3 LEDs: a single blink led 20mA (I think they have a tiny cap built in), a superbright blue 100mA (these are
internally 5 LEDs in parallel, thus have only 20% resistance and light up at miniscule charges) and a LED panel of
maybe 200 lumen of unknown specs. I could not see any slightest light from any of these LEDs. Because it was
bright daylight, I held the LED very close to my eye and should have seen it. However I'd reccommend to do this
experiment at night, if possible.


My results seem to be a voltaic pile effect between 2 disimilar metals. Although the variation in distance between
rod and screwdriver (eg. whether 10 or 20 cm) did not alter the current or voltage, and the soft iron rods are chemicly
close to the tool steel screwdriver (Chrome Steel with additions of vanadium or cobalt I would guess), this may
still be voltaic. A voltaic current flows even between similar metals, if the molecular structure varies. (I did
voltaic batteries made from graphite and activated carbon, which works nicely but releases CO, btw.)


As this was a quick test and maybe I did it wrong, I wouldn't say I disproved anything. The fact that I was
getting the same energy regardless of whether the wire was actually attached to the rod or not indicates, that
my results have nothing to do with the subject matter. However, it can be said that it isn't as easy as it sounds
at first glance, to perform this test.


I was also missing some information (probably just missed to read it in here?), like where to connect the LEDs at all,
in series between wire and rod, or between rod and an other ground. How critical is the precise length of the wire?
Does it matter if the wire between the rods is precisely 30m, but the wire then ends about 50 cm after the
fixation? And at what height is it supposed to be suspended at all. What is the min size of the rods....


Anyhow, such a test outdoors at a sunny day is much more fun than endless talking.



 

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