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Author Topic: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team  (Read 4831 times)

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2017, 04:55:31 PM »
The knowledge of someone should not be ally of Harmful comments, because that is not very pleasing to the basic rules of human coexistence. This, it should apply, to anyone, without exception.

Irrespective of the contribution that some people have made, and continue to made, does not confer any rights on the behavior they systematically demonstrate.

It only denotes, the lack of maturity, to face life in a respectful way towards other people.
At what point, does intelligence or wisdom subtract basic rules of education and personal formation?
It will be that all the good contributions that some people have already offered,  give them the rigth to have such behavior? What a waste of human energy.

Some people in this forum should think about this rather than trying to find "weaknesses" in other people to justify their egocentric Behavior .They help but with a stone in each hand ...

And it all started, with the simplest proposal to realize the most simple test that I have heard to this day  on that forum..... 2 ground wires and one LED. Certainly the test would take less time to complete,then the conversation that has happened so far.

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Offline ramset

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2017, 05:08:46 PM »
Nelson
You are a very pleasant man with similar beliefs ,It is very easy to like you.

may I add one addendum to your post above

@blue
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A MVP can be created using the (planet) earth, when inserting two pieces of conductive metal rods in the ground a MVP can be measured between said two rods. The rods must be placed in increments of 30m from each other and aligned in the earths N-S direction. The larger the distance between the rods, the larger the MVP. 

end quote
and honestly all the aforementioned  test protocols from Mr.Koala would be of great scientific importance.

perhaps we can make a line in the sand for before and after

just one mans opinion...



respectfully
Chet K


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2017, 05:19:15 PM »
Nelson
You are a very pleasant man with similar beliefs ,It is very easy to like you.

may I add one addendum to your post above

@blue
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A MVP can be created using the (planet) earth, when inserting two pieces of conductive metal rods in the ground a MVP can be measured between said two rods. The rods must be placed in increments of 30m from each other and aligned in the earths N-S direction. The larger the distance between the rods, the larger the MVP. 

end quote



respectfully
Chet K


Ramset,

I appreciate your words ,
But everything i say is very genuine , i could say to you that are many people on the "shadows" that tell me several times in PM that not expose their ideas because have "afraid" of suck behaviors. Should not be much more interesting people discuss ideas in a health mode ?
I'm not attack anyone or ether defend anyone , just manifest my opinion about why should ever time topics end in that way ?
To me seems not correct and fair , just that . For sure Stefan have interest that forum grow and not the opposite.
Even myself when i'm wrong i appreciate hear other opinions , no problem with that , we grow and improve with criticism but not with verbal aggression, did you not agree ?

I did not talk to TK in particularly , but if you feel that he has not so correct in their approach ok to me , i'm referring even when a hear others make the same with TK . The question will remain all time :

Who threw the first stone? Cause, consequence , and is that points that should be rethink .

cheers

Nelson Rocha   

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2017, 05:30:08 PM »
Chet, I don't care how wducated TK is, nor how expensive his scopes were, as long as every comment of him is cynical, nitpickung and frustration-driven.


The man attacked me because my posted circuit jpg was 1.3mb, while everybody is posting files of similar sizes all the time. He said I am abusing the chip, tho the circuit is from Colin Mitchell who knows what he's doing.


I'd rather live in a community of selfteached experimenters of all levels of knowledge that has a positive mood, than with people, pretending to know everything better while being just unbearable on the communication level. There are communities in which an extremly positive moods causes great synergy. Naysayers and haters are unneccessary, no, destructive to the community, regardless of their knowledge of school standards.


Once more this screwed a thread, why don't we just ignore this bs talking and perform the experiment.


Looking forward to do that, and to see your test results too.


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2017, 06:14:00 PM »
Nelson
yes your words Pain me [members afraid to post things] ,

we should after all teach whenever we can ...and learn whenever we can

and always be respectful to each other

I see the Koala helping over at Nick Z's thread  and it feels so good to see this.
and to see Nick's example is wonderful too.

How can we change this [to see more of this here]?

we all need each other and we all share this same rock ??

But...perhaps our perspective has not been rubbed the wrong way as much as the science has here ?

If I tap you on the arm one time ...it is nothing... when I tap TAP TAP TAP over and over [starts to bleed]
it becomes a very sensitive spot which will linger for a long time
and just one Tap days later will make you want to punch me.

a sore spot has formed here with certain members and the simple science
we need to figure out how to address this or the forum will just be a singing choir in a church of FE

respectfully
Chet K
Ps
I see dieter has commented while I plunked

there is no ultimatum here or wasted time in this thread,the experiments will be done.

I think you can make your own world here and ask people of like mind to contribute ,as long as you follow forum rules [we all should]
but asking for scientists to not come here or be banned ?
your in the wrong forum ,you would need to start your own...

look at the example of Nick's thread nobody bothers him [them] everybody is interested and everybody tries to help
especially [lately] TinselKoala.





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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
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Offline Grumage

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2017, 06:32:23 PM »
Nelson
yes your words Pain me [members afraid to post things] ,

we should after all teach whenever we can ...and learn whenever we can

and always be respectful to each other

I see the Koala helping over at Nick Z's thread  and it feels so good to see this.
and to see Nick's example is wonderful too.

How can we change this ?

we all need each other and we all share this same rock ??

But...perhaps our perspective has not been rubbed the wrong way as much as the science has here ?

If I tap you on the arm one time ...it is nothing... when I tap TAP TAP TAP over and over
it becomes a very sensitive spot which will linger for a long time
and just one Tap days later will make you want to punch me.

a sore spot has formed here with certain members and the simple science
we need to figure out how to address this or the forum will just be a singing choir of ?what?

respectfully
Chet K

Dear Mr. Chet.

There's a very simple answer.....

Get out there with a couple of rods and measure....

I posted my results yesterday.  "  I have just measured 25 microamps at 35 millivolts. The voltage is much lower than last year when we saw 200 millivolts. " That was at a distance of 7 meters apart with a North South orientation.

My mother often said " It takes all sorts to make a world " and indeed we have allsorts here on this forum, lets just try and get along. I have always tried to treat others as I would like to be treated, it has worked for me from the time I first learned about it, another wise soul now departed.....

Kind regards, Mr. Grum. 

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2017, 06:55:18 PM »
Grum, did you test the wire connected on various heights over ground? Was is insulated?

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2017, 06:57:42 PM »
Yes, that is right, go out and measure.

But if the claim is that the orientation must be N-S for the effect to occur.... do you only measure N-S? Or do you also measure E-W, not as a test of whether current flows, but as a test of whether the effect _depends on orientation_ as the original claim states.

Further testing should also be performed in the event that orientation IS found to be important, to further test the claim that it depends on the magnetic field of the Earth and not some other factor like soil moisture gradients or... SWER.

Here we have seen the original claimant say that E-W testing is not important and implying that therefore it should not be done.  And furthermore that enough power is available to "light up your house", and does it without current flowing.

SO what part of me pointing out that it is indeed important to do those control experiments which properly test the claims ... is wrong or "trolling"?

And now we have someone else suggesting even that experimentation at all is somehow wrong. We should just accept any claim simply because it is made, and not test it, because that's a waste of time, and suggestions for properly performed experiments are "trolling"?



Hey Zephir, if you jump off the top of a ten story building and flap your arms hard enough, you can fly. Please go out and try it for yourself! And you don't even need to report your location.  (But don't forget to squawk like a seagull when you try it....)

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2017, 07:27:19 PM »
Dear Mr. All.

I live in a rural situation with my electricity being supplied via overhead line. The system employed is known as PME, Protective Multiple Earthing. This means that my earth conductor is also part of the Neutral conductor. I know that it is highly unlikely that I should see any AC ground effect, in fact I don't.... I see DC voltage, with obvious polarity.

Sadly my yard is totally covered in crushed and compacted Limestone and the only areas of grass are much less than 30 metres for any full test to be carried out.

I can confirm that I see voltage in West East orientation and even oblique's of the cardinal points. I have tried various metals wondering if the voltage is of a " Galvanic " nature, seems not.

In all tests I used an extension lead/cord with the three wires strapped together to reduce the resistance.

kind regards, Mr. Grum.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2017, 08:17:00 PM »
Nelson
yes your words Pain me [members afraid to post things] ,

we should after all teach whenever we can ...and learn whenever we can

and always be respectful to each other

I see the Koala helping over at Nick Z's thread  and it feels so good to see this.
and to see Nick's example is wonderful too.

How can we change this [to see more of this here]?

we all need each other and we all share this same rock ??

But...perhaps our perspective has not been rubbed the wrong way as much as the science has here ?

If I tap you on the arm one time ...it is nothing... when I tap TAP TAP TAP over and over [starts to bleed]
it becomes a very sensitive spot which will linger for a long time
and just one Tap days later will make you want to punch me.

a sore spot has formed here with certain members and the simple science
we need to figure out how to address this or the forum will just be a singing choir in a church of FE

respectfully
Chet K
Ps
I see dieter has commented while I plunked

there is no ultimatum here or wasted time in this thread,the experiments will be done.

I think you can make your own world here and ask people of like mind to contribute ,as long as you follow forum rules [we all should]
but asking for scientists to not come here or be banned ?
your in the wrong forum ,you would need to start your own...

look at the example of Nick's thread nobody bothers him [them] everybody is interested and everybody tries to help
especially [lately] TinselKoala.


Seems after my post , you did not understand so clear my message .
Not need that forum become a “church of FE”  just need that people respect each other nothing more and that is fair .
I not agree too , that  “scientists” should not come here or be banned , because we need them and i thank by their presence , in other hand that should not mean that they have “special”treatment that alow  them talk in the way they want , and same should happens with other persons , and in that way for sure everybody will gain with that .

Like i told you,  my last message, was not addressed to anyone in particular even you particularize by your own intuition or maybe by your inner feeling , and was not my intent make people feel deconfortable like i see .
About your last suggestion , i will follow the rules for sure , and i did not expect less from the same “references” people of this same forum, because that forum is a free space where any one could visit , since play by the rules that are stipulated  .

Seems fair to you ?

Cheers

Nelson Rocha

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2017, 08:28:36 PM »
Dear Mr. All.

I live in a rural situation with my electricity being supplied via overhead line. The system employed is known as PME, Protective Multiple Earthing. This means that my earth conductor is also part of the Neutral conductor. I know that it is highly unlikely that I should see any AC ground effect, in fact I don't.... I see DC voltage, with obvious polarity.

Sadly my yard is totally covered in crushed and compacted Limestone and the only areas of grass are much less than 30 metres for any full test to be carried out.

I can confirm that I see voltage in West East orientation and even oblique's of the cardinal points. I have tried various metals wondering if the voltage is of a " Galvanic " nature, seems not.

In all tests I used an extension lead/cord with the three wires strapped together to reduce the resistance.

kind regards, Mr. Grum.

Thank you for your report. So, to underline your results, your detection of the voltage in the E-W direction as well as the N-S direction _fails to support_ the claim of "Dr"blue that the effect is orientation dependent, at least in your case. And you would not have known this had you not tried the control experiment.

It is completely wrong to say "A causes B" and then show "B" as "proof" that the claim "A" is correct. Why? Because there could be any number of other causes for "B" and simply showing "B" does not rule them out.  The real scientist will try "not A" to see if "B" is still true... and if it is, then we have actually proved that "A" is not actually the sole or only cause of "B".

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2017, 09:05:45 PM »
Nelson
  I do understand your perspective and  agree
the other references "bannings and No science" where in  response to dieter  as were the "personalized remarks" a direct
response to dieter and Zephir [the church stuff too].
apologies for my laziness in not specifying that [I hate typing]
I can only imagine how difficult typing here in another language would be[for me]
I will refrain from Laziness in future posts to you  :-[[mixing generic responses to others]
also
I did make additional response to dieter when I saw he posted while I was typing .

@ Tinsel
Grums experiment as noted is not at the 30M benchmark set by the drblue ,I have no idea how to differentiate this energy from "No current magnetic Voltaic potential energy "?

it has not been explained yet ,

Grum's contribution is however a good start to some control experiments to vet this claim/



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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2017, 11:09:35 AM »
Nelson
  I do understand your perspective and  agree
the other references "bannings and No science" where in  response to dieter  as were the "personalized remarks" a direct
response to dieter and Zephir [the church stuff too].
apologies for my laziness in not specifying that [I hate typing]
I can only imagine how difficult typing here in another language would be[for me]
I will refrain from Laziness in future posts to you  :-[[mixing generic responses to others]
also
I did make additional response to dieter when I saw he posted while I was typing .

@ Tinsel
Grums experiment as noted is not at the 30M benchmark set by the drblue ,I have no idea how to differentiate this energy from "No current magnetic Voltaic potential energy "?

it has not been explained yet ,

Grum's contribution is however a good start to some control experiments to vet this claim/

Hi Ramset ,

Myself will try make some of this tests in the mean time when arrive at Portugal , and i will glad to relate what i register . I have a portable scope , and i could take some data shot's to publish after .

Cheers

Nelson Rocha

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2017, 12:50:50 PM »
Dear Mr. All.

A short video demonstration showing how SWER works even at LV levels.

https://youtu.be/JcPu4Ie47vA

WARNING  Don't try this at home unless you're electrically competent!!

This video was the last in which my fairly expensive DMM starred in, the voltage output was in fact 220 VAC not 197 !!

Kind regards, Mr. Grum.


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2017, 02:22:43 PM »
@ramset, grumage: before starting the utilization of MVP/SWER, you should make sure about its nature with oscilloscope: which voltage you're drawing from your ground pipes? Which frequency it has? If it has exactly 50/60 Hz, then you're just draining some stray voltage from nearby railway, HV grid or something similar, which isn't worth the attention - you'll just contribute to their corrosion instead.

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