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Author Topic: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team  (Read 6092 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2017, 10:48:25 PM »
Mr.blue
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I believe it is better to form an opinion or theory after you have done your experimenting.

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this is not a theory at all ...an observation from ground energy experiments by many members here
and elsewhere it builds over time varies from night to day, drains when a significant load is applied then replenishes or as in Grum's case varies from year to year .

water table effects it ,actually there has been sooo much work done on this I am quite surprised by your license agreement ?

however ...?

we shall see ?
maybe there is something proprietary in your claim ?

magnetic voltaics ,is a novel name ...showing a patent or history of this discovery would
be good ,even being able to find your research group in a google search would be nice ?
released By TLG--- TEAM ??

 



 

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2017, 11:05:59 PM »
And just who is actually "lighting their home for free" using this method? 



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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2017, 11:09:46 PM »
Dear Mr. Koala

What are you so afraid of? I know: you are afraid of being proven wrong.  Otherwise you would welcome true experiments performed with proper controls, and you would be more than happy to engage with anyone, especially critics like me.

I laid forward a simple experiment involving two wires and one LED, and you couldn't be bothered to replicate it and make your own "true experiments performed with proper controls", that disqualifies you as a "critic".

I would happily concede to that you have a superior intellect and know everything worth knowing in this world, and that I'm just an poor ignoramus not worthy of your shadow, and that it's electrons and bananas flowing in the wires, if that would make you perform your own "true experiments performed with proper controls" and provide useful data. But I really don't see that happening.

Instead of talking about the Dunning-Kruger effect, perhaps you...

I was not referring to the "Dunning-Kruger effect", but now that you bring it up, it definitely seems to fit the bill.

this behaviour does nothing to advance your cause and in fact raises huge red flags

I'm only pleased to confirm your suspicion.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2017, 11:18:13 PM »
TinselKoala is pathoskeptic troll, who should be banned from this forum.  His very strategy is to ridicule people who are looking for free energy in many different ways. The suppression of free energy research starts just with people like him. Just report and ignore him - the discussion with him will just dilute the topic and it will drown it in verbosity - which is exactly what he wants.


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2017, 11:30:26 PM »
Fellows
being new here ,maybe you find it odd that people may have done experiments prior to your arrival
here and perhaps actually are not new to the claims being made by you with Poor presentation or understanding of what is actually happening ?

and then adding ownership claims to Boot ?? from a Team which can't be found from a country which won't be named ?



Yeesh

and King Zephir pulls the banning card ?

double yeesh

how about we just do a few experiments and see?
thanks
Chet


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2017, 11:30:26 PM »
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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2017, 11:38:44 PM »
The "doing experiments" is just another widespread fuzz making strategy here. It's supposed to make the patoskeptic trolls more trustworthy in the eyes of laymen by mimicking the replication attempts. The layman people are supposed to see it and think: "huh, this guy is soo clever, experienced and well equipped - so he must be right!" But you can be sure, these experiments will never touch the substance, because their very purpose is to mislead people from overunity research.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2017, 11:41:46 PM »
Zephir
I think you need to join in then as the Fuzz Police for this experiment ?

very simple to do ??
what say Yee?

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2017, 11:41:46 PM »
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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2017, 12:09:11 AM »
Dear Mr. Chet

Fellows
being new here ,maybe you find it odd that people may have done experiments prior to your arrival
here and perhaps actually are not new to the claims being made by you with Poor presentation or understanding of what is actually happening ?

and then adding ownership claims to Boot ?? from a Team which can't be found from a country which won't be named ?



Yeesh

and King Zephir pulls the banning card ?

double yeesh

how about we just do a few experiments and see?
thanks
Chet

I see this is going nowhere very fast, so I better confess now that you have blown my cover: My name is actually Vladimir Zagdayev, and I'm a goat Shepard in the glorious nation of Kazakhstan and I know nothing about everything. Please do not perform the experiment because it is not working and it will set your house on fire. I only made up this story so that I could cheat you wealthy people from the affluent west, because I need to money to feed my goats and twelve barefooted children of which I only admit ownership of two. But you are all much smarter than me, my departed mother warned me about that, but I carelessly ignored her wise words.

May God forgive me for my fraudulent actions.

Your obedient and humble servant,
Vladimir Zagdayev

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2017, 12:20:19 AM »
My Dearest Mr.blue [and other multiple personas]

It is written
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"The truth will set you free"

good to get that off your chest.

and Glad your friend Zephir will be joining in the experiments !



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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2017, 12:20:19 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2017, 01:41:33 AM »
Very amusing.

Now, let's review.

1. Many people, including myself, have demonstrated lighting a few, or even many, LEDs on power obtained from ground rods or other grounding systems including "earth batteries". There is nothing new or remarkable about that, it is a fact and it is not amenable to commercialization.

2. "Dr" blue has definitely made several claims that are worth investigating further. These are 1) that the LEDs are being lit without any current; and 2) the effect depends on the orientation with respect to the Earth's magnetic field. A further claim seems to be that one can "light up the whole house" with this effect.

3. "Dr" blue has explicitly stated that he does not want E-W testing to be performed. Yet it is precisely this kind of control experiment that could potentially disprove the claim that the effect depends on the orientation with respect to the magnetic field of the Earth. When the necessity of performing proper control experiments is pointed out to "Dr" blue, he chooses to ignore and in fact even mock the suggestion. This is not a proper scientific attitude and in fact betrays the strongest of cognitive biases--- or even perhaps something more sinister.

4. "Dr" blue has asked experimenters here to report their locations, but he himself will not honestly tell us his own location. Bearing in mind that some entire countries and some rural locations in other countries use the SWER system for their electric grids, and such a system can indeed provide substantial power from appropriately placed ground electrodes, this refusal to reveal his own location is problematic and even suspicious.

5. In one post "Dr" blue says he is not after money. And yet in another post he says that we will need to avail ourselves of his consultancy, for a fee. The hypocrisy is blatant indeed.

6. It takes, conservatively, a few hundred watts of electrical power to "light up my house" to usable levels -- to be able to see adequately for reading, cooking, working on a car, etc. Yet the photos "Dr" blue has provided show at most several hundred _milliwats_ of electrical power being used to light up his LEDs.  I ask again... who has lit up his entire house using this system? Can "Dr" blue provide evidence that hundreds of watts are available from his system? The sound of crickets chirping is deafening.

7. I am a scientist by education and training, and my work experience includes many years of examining and vetting claims like the ones made in this thread. I have seen fakers, frauds, delusions, honest mistakes and outright failures. I have been called many names by many people, but I have never seen an actual "free energy" device. I have seen many devices and schemes that actually DO extract free energy from the environment. In fact the city where I live gets about 15 percent of its electrical power from "free energy" solar panels. If "Dr" blue has discovered something unique, we should be able to examine it with his cooperation by performing the necessary vetting and the necessary proper experiments. If he chooses not to cooperate, then obviously he relinquishes control over the experimentation that may be performed by others... and also obviously he will not benefit economically from those experiments.

8. The lie that I do not "believe" in free energy has again been stated by the Zephir entity. And yet I personally have extracted and used enough free energy from the environment to travel thousands of miles and do other amazing feats, both in my personal and my professional life. Some people here know that I tell the truth about this and know exactly what I mean. I do not talk about this on this forum because it requires specialized equipment, education and training and years of experience, which are probably not available to most people here.

9. In one post "Dr" blue suggests that I consult "Mr" Dunning and "Mr" Kruger (their proper title is Dr. or Professor) and yet in another post he says that he did not refer to the Dunning-Kruger effect. One wonders just what he meant by the earlier post then. Is it another example of his blatant hypocrisy?

Now, carry on with your personal attacks against me. Or buckle down and PROVE ME WRONG, with checkable outside references, real data, and/or experiments and demonstrations of your own.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2017, 01:48:07 AM »
The "doing experiments" is just another widespread fuzz making strategy here. It's supposed to make the patoskeptic trolls more trustworthy in the eyes of laymen by mimicking the replication attempts. The layman people are supposed to see it and think: "huh, this guy is soo clever, experienced and well equipped - so he must be right!" But you can be sure, these experiments will never touch the substance, because their very purpose is to mislead people from overunity research.

The slightest spark will burn down your Straw Man fallacy.

Are you ready to admit yet that you were and still are wrong about your claim with respect to coil current direction? Or to refute my proof with an experiment of your own?


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2017, 02:43:37 AM »
Even after multiple years lurking, learning, absorbing and even understanding,  I still  keep being annoyed and surprised that some great minds are still in the kindergarten.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2017, 04:54:55 AM »
Dr. Blue, I have to admit, it sounded like an 1st april prank. But as it was posted on the 5th...


If this is not a joke, I will certainly test it asap.


Some more info would be good. If performed on a field, outdoors, does it have to be dark so the leds can be seen? What are the rods, iron? size? How deep into the ground, and at what height are the taps? Suggest some precise distances. 3m? 9m? What wire?


About koala and other aggressive sickos, just put them on your ignore list (over buddy list...) and pleeease stop quoting them, which undermines the ignore function.


sad thing is, the trolls are so successful resulting in this community shrinking rapidely.


Therefor, welcome.


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2017, 03:13:39 PM »
dieter
I think if you have a thread which you would like input on ,and you don't wish to have input from
certain members ?
just say so !!

quite certain you will get your wish.

Re this topic ?
most who actually have done these experiments[which you apparently have not]
found this entire format very strange ,Bizzare even

and to be honest it sounds very interesting ["magnetic Voltaics" its a big Phrase and a huge claim where one would expect to read significant support data

Nothing to support the Big words ,,,not even an explanation or support data for the Bulbs will light with no current ??

but there is ownership of this "Nothing" and if you do indeed find "something" make sure you
document it ?? after all there is a License on this "magnetic Voltaics"

You  Dieter have apparently gotten off badly ...as has the Zephir with member TinselKoala
Tinsel has much experience in this field ,actually more than any person I have ever seen in these forums ...

The Knowledge and experience Boggles my mind at times ,absolutely priceless to this community
to this "open source" community.

there are very serious and knowledgeable fellows in these forums ,fellows who have dedicated there lives to the whatifs  and out of the box experiments @Cherryman is one such example
and I see you too dieter look and hunt.

There was a period of time here where I fought with Tinsel and would have rolled around [like kindergarten] in the dirt with him....
But I have learned over the years that he can be very very helpful and he practices "brutal honesty"

and much much more than that he truly believes as I do ,in the "what ifs?

I have never spoken with a serious experimenter here who does not hold Tinsel in very high regard
and to be honest if you make a claim as Bold as this one ?

""We have licensed Magnetic Voltaics ,It lights Bulbs with no current.. it is ours forever more.. but we allow you to play with it ""
""please report all findings here "
and remember if you actually find something which is worth anything"
we have a license for this claim"


such a claim and you shun scientific scrutiny of your claims and methodology ?

and when your errors and assumptions are pointed out ...
things Like Troll and ban him come to the topic ??


you have GOT TO BE KIDDING !!

any true claimant runs to scrutiny ...
Begs investigation from knowledgeable men !

it is the scientific method

here is an example of such a presentation

http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg503430/#new

respectfully
Chet K

ps experiments will be done on this Magnetic voltaic potential and reported here








 



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