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Author Topic: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team  (Read 4832 times)

Offline Paul-R

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2017, 06:12:24 PM »
Isn't this about telluric currents?

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2017, 06:28:03 PM »
Mr.Paul
Ixne on the Currentyea

this is a voltage only power/energy source !![Mr.blues words]

Chet K
Ps I'm glad we turned the page ,between the Scrolling back and forth and now the nightmare making Koala...[Dropbear]

that thing gives me the heeby geebies


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2017, 06:44:20 PM »
Dear Mr. Chet

Mr.Koala is a metrologist and has always been a pain in the tucus for nitty gritty details

I have no history in common with Mr. Koala, my decision is solely based on his sentiments laid forward in this thread. I don't mind nitty-gritty attention to details, if they are well founded.

such as perhaps the measurements in SWER areas will reflect some hidden clue towards further enhancement ....or not ??

I can not exclude that SWER, or densely populated areas in general can have an effect on MVP. But if we are able to collect some useful data we will be able to analyze it closer, and if it confirms that "human activity" have an effect on MVP,  then subsequently depending on your point of view, you can obviously utilize that information for "further enhancement".

Our main area of interest lie however in the (planet) earth's magnetic field, everything else is considered an disturbance that is obscuring vital data, therefore experiments of the type that Mr. Grum is conducting, would yield cleaner data for our further research. We already have small developed a passive desktop device with two synthetic earths that can yield any desired MVP, but as you probably know, there is no substitute for reality, hence the call for real world data.

have you a map with such data available already ... any map any data ??
your quote
"Yes, obviously."

It was a "Yes, obviously." to your question whether we are going to collect and collate data. As you can see for your self, we haven't received anything yet, and therefore there is nothing I can share with you. I kindly encourage you to take two wires and a handful of LED's and let us know your findings.

Kind regards.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2017, 07:08:48 PM »
Dear Mr. Grum

1. In your ground-rod experiments, did you detect current flowing?

2. What do you think when some claimant asks you to report your location, but refuses to report his own?

3. Do you think it is possible to light up LED strings without any current flowing at all?

Kind regards,
Mr. Koala

Dear Mr. Koala.

Question 1.

Would that be negative or positive current ?   :)    Seriously, yes. In fact the rods are still in situ, I have just measured 25 microamps at 35 millivolts. The voltage is much lower than last year when we saw 200 millivolts.

Question 2.

Like you, my first thoughts were SWER having had a career in the " Supply industry " for nigh on two decades.

Question 3.

Not that I'm aware of. DC Watts is a product of Volts x Amps.

kind regards, Mr. Grum.


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2017, 07:16:08 PM »
Dear Mr. Grum.

Indeed North Wales, United Kingdom, close to the Dee estuary but I too am unwilling to provide a National Grid reference for obvious reasons.

That is quite understandable, "close to the Dee estuary" is fine.

I seems from your videos that you have an abundance of space, unlike most city dwellers. If you have the time and possibility I would request you to measure the MVP in N-S direction (E-W is not of interest). ~10m is the first harmonic, so if you could measure MVP for each ~10m, and as long as your property and wire length will allow you, I would be grateful.

Thank you for your kind assistance.

P.S. And if anyone else is reading this, there is NO reason to disclose your location, unless you replicated the E2 circuit and have collected pertinent data.

Kind regards

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2017, 07:16:08 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2017, 07:40:36 PM »
 
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If you have the time and possibility I would request you to measure the MVP in N-S direction (E-W is not of interest).

On the contrary, PROPER CONTROL EXPERIMENTS are always of interest.... to people who actually want to find the Truth, that is. Consider what happens to your "theory" if E-W measurements show the same effects as N-S experiments. By avoiding this proper control experiment you are demonstrating what we call Experimenter Bias, aka Confirmation Bias. You will avoid experiments or happily ignore results that do not support, or that have the potential to invalidate, your dearly-cherished hypotheses.

Further, I will state that there is no reason for _anyone_ to disclose their locations to you UNTIL and unless you first honestly disclose YOUR OWN location.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2017, 07:43:45 PM »
Dear Mr. Chet

this is a voltage only power/energy source !![the Claimants words]

I would appreciate if you refrained from referring to me as "the Claimant", it has a negative connotation. I would also like to make it absolutely clear that I'm not here to separate anyone from their money, I made a call for data, not money.

Secondly it doesn't make any difference what people choose to believe is running through the wires, it doesn't change the fact that a MVP can observed between two earths, and that it can illuminate some LED's.

If individuals in this community choose not to replicate a simple 2 wire 1 component circuit, and contribute with some data, then further communication seems rather pointless.

Thank you for your attention.


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2017, 07:43:45 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2017, 07:45:29 PM »
Dear Mr.blue
I would like  to order your specific LED ,if you provided a link ...I missed it

thanks
Mr.Chet
Ps
as per your above request ?
Done [modified post above]

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2017, 08:22:56 PM »
Dear Mr. Chet

I would appreciate if you refrained from referring to me as "the Claimant", it has a negative connotation. I would also like to make it absolutely clear that I'm not here to separate anyone from their money, I made a call for data, not money.

Secondly it doesn't make any difference what people choose to believe is running through the wires, it doesn't change the fact that a MVP can observed between two earths, and that it can illuminate some LED's.

If individuals in this community choose not to replicate a simple 2 wire 1 component circuit, and contribute with some data, then further communication seems rather pointless.

Thank you for your attention.

So you will of course be giving away your "commercial licenses" and your "consultations" for free, right?

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If you intend to develop commercial applications based on our work, you will obviously need to obtain a commercial license from us, and most importantly, you will likely require our consultancy services. Please do not hesitate to contact the undersigned in either case.

And it absolutely DOES make a difference what is going through your wires, because your CLAIM is that there is no current and your CLAIM is that it depends somehow on the magnetic field of the Earth. These are CLAIMS that require investigation in order to determine their veracity.

And what about your references to my "CLAIMS"? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. If you don't want people to refer to you as a CLAIMANT, which you certainly are, you should not refer to the CLAIMS of others with that word.

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I deliberately choose not to entertain Mr. Koala's questions and claims, because it serves no purpose whatsoever.
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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2017, 09:13:25 PM »
Dear Mr. Chet

I would like  to order your specific LED ,if you provided a link ...I missed it

At this point it is anybody guess as to which LED's will work, personally I didn't keep track of manufacturers as they all worked with classical current, and that was the only application I had for them in the past. With the limited inventory I have, it's my impression that only every 3rd or so will work, even if it's from the same batch.

Some LED's will work, some will not work, some will only light up once and never work again, some will light up brightly, some will only glow slightly. Some LED panels work, some will not, some will only light up some of the individual LED's, some will... etc etc. But ALL will work flawlessly with classical current.

Therefore we would like to collect data about the LED's used, and maybe we will be able to isolate the exact reason why some work and some don't. The current working theory is that the reason must be found at the atomic level.

I provided a datasheet in my initial post for the 60V filament type LED panels, but that won't do you any good if you have less than 60V MVP at your location.

I have attached a picture of some of my inventory, those on the left work, and those on right don't work (in full), but maybe those that do not work for me will work for you and vice versa, alas additional research is required.

Kind regards

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
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Offline ramset

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2017, 09:21:41 PM »
Dear Mr.blue
I suspect that a capacitive effect may be the reason [just a suspicion] for the disparity ?
perhaps initial contact drains the environment or ??

should be interesting to play with.

we have MANY members with LED's [we like blinky light experiments here].

I would imagine you'll get some data soon ?
Also what could a consultant offer in these investigations ?
or is that for later on ? perhaps you have already established proprietary enhancement protocols??

respectfully
Mr.Chet
PS
thanks for the Pics ,could you shrink it ,it has suddenly grown the whole page [scrolling again]?
Mr.Koala knows what size  fits just right  ,but you could try a few "shrinks" until you get it right
usually what I end up doing, it will time out [the modify button] so try soon please.
thx


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2017, 09:57:23 PM »
Dear Mr. Koala

Bla..bla..bla.....bla....bla

Maybe you are experiencing a case of mistaken identity, I'm really not the correct person to feed your insatiable craving for attention and confirmation.

I can and will not stop you if you insist on polluting this thread, but don't expect me to respond, I do not engage in an cordial exchange of diverging opinions with people of your sort in arbitrary on-line forums, in such cases I prefer to meet up with people in person.

If you next question will be, what I mean by "people of your sort", let me save you the trouble and kindly direct your attention to an excellent study done by Mr. Dunning and Mr. Kruger at Cornell University, on the very same subject.

I hope that I have managed to make my position clear to you.

Thank you for your attention.


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2017, 10:16:01 PM »
Mr.blue
have we met before ??
your recent comments and others feel very familiar and a bit strong for only recent history?

sometimes fellows come back under different handles and engage the membership
again .
you did after all come here asking for help from the community ?

and Tinsel is a very good representative and also does very good experiments [a good thing to have here ?

if I am mistaken... that's OK ...although not even mentioning a country of origin [for yourself]
in a Study which requires same for qualification /data collection ?

I realize your recent addendum to that request [removed that requirement it seems]

anyhoo could you resize your Pic ?

thx
Chet

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2017, 10:20:55 PM »
Your position is and has always been very clear to me: You are a CLAIMANT who does not wish his claims to be examined thoroughly, but who only seeks _confirmation_ and will resist any critical examination. And you continue to prove my point with every post like the above that you make.

What are you so afraid of? I know: you are afraid of being proven wrong.  Otherwise you would welcome true experiments performed with proper controls, and you would be more than happy to engage with anyone, especially critics like me.

Instead of talking about the Dunning-Kruger effect, perhaps you would benefit from researching the philosophy of science, the nature of True Experiments, the various cognitive biases that experimenters suffer from, and so on. Not to mention the basics of electronics, the errors that DMMs may be subject to, and just what "magic" makes LEDs light up.

I get this all the time from CLAIMANTS like yourself: You cannot or will not address the valid points I make, so you attack me personally. Believe me or not as you like, but this behaviour does nothing to advance your cause and in fact raises huge red flags.


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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2017, 10:28:03 PM »
Mr.Chet

I suspect that a capacitive effect may be the reason [just a suspicion] for the disparity ?
perhaps initial contact drains the environment or ??

should be interesting to play with.

I believe it is better to form an opinion or theory after you have done your experimenting.

we have MANY members with LED's [we like blinky light experiments here].

I would imagine you'll get some data soon ?

I would hope so, although I don't see any indications of it, I will give it a few days more.

Also what could a consultant offer in these investigations ?

Absolutely nothing.

or is that for later on ?

Yes, as I wrote in my initial post, if you want to develop a commercial product, you will need our consultancy services and you will have to part with your money. This was merely a friendly offer to those that might contemplate such an endeavor, and it is not related to you or any other person participating in this experiment. I have given you all the information you need to illuminate your home for free, and if you are content with that, I hope that you will reciprocate with some useful data, I believe that is a fair proposal for everyone.

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Re: Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team
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