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Offline ramset

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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2017, 08:58:50 PM »
Zephir
I believe the language barrier may be involved in some of this.

@ regarding TinselKoala and how you are using this "quote".

What I know to be true is the quote is being taken out of "context" ,the context being that none of the circuits presented "HERE"
utilizing Pancake or other methods ...or any methods presented "HERE" have been shown to develop anomalies of any kind ..once thoroughly examined ,

nor has anyone ever presented anything from You tube or other sources which was shown to develop OU.

and for clarity I mean a clear presentation ..not a jumpy you tube Vid or other poorly supported  claim.

At this moment Tinsel is involved in an open source replication attempt of another idea presented here which may or may not pan out.
and he is also helping members here with Their replications of various claims

instead of lighting torches and throwing stones
it would be better if you would post some circuits here which you feel have been overlooked ...

as I said before
there will be replicators lined up out the door....the thirst is great !

respectfully
Chet K

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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2017, 10:59:01 PM »
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Just ignore us, if you are afraid of what we say. As I said, FE requires just as much infrastructure as conventional energy source.
I am personally involved in what you would call 'FE', although I give it a different name. My concern is not: will it be suppressed or will I be killed, but : can it be scaled up so that it is commercially viable. The FE cult harms the energy community by screaming SUPPRESSION, instead of demonstration that their contraptions WORK. Maybe YOU are the real trolls...

Why I should ignore these posts of yours? We are in OVERUNITY forum, if you didn't realize it?

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Of course you'll say: but Free Energy threatens everything. Free Energy (if it existed) would be just another business, with costs involved. If it is not competitive, it will disappear. The FREE part in Free Energy only reFree Energyrs to the energy, not the infrastructure needed to make it viable in the market. The energy in oil, coal, natural gas and any other energy-medium is always FREE; it's the infrastructure needed (plus profit) that you are actually paying for. Show me ONE actual device (not a youtube video or patent application or pdf or claim) that uses these principles. "What do we get if we DEVELOP and ADD ADDITIONAL "ENERGY" exceeding the very real losses at every such conversion we currently accept as just the way it is?" that is a speculation, not a fact. There is NO evidence that this can/does occur.

"The only limits as to how much Kinetic Energy can be developed are our own thinking and the physical structural limits of matter we have available to place in motion." again, you make a statement without backing it with evidence or proof. LoT1 states: "the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but neither can it be created nor it can be destroyed." note that the word 'develop' is not used.

"Government suppression of Free Energy" What does not exist cannot be suppressed. Sorry Chet; that device fails, as do all similar devices. A force without displacement is not power.
Zeitmaschine: capacitors/condensers do NOT amplify power or energy. Neither do gears, pulleys, flywheels. NOTHING does. You can change energy but not generate it. I personally am not interested in the traditional 'OU' ideas involving gravity, buoancy, flywheels, magnets etc, as I see them as dead ends. Involving kids in critical thinking is great (adults too!). What makes you think the Tesla had a FREE ENERGY /OU project or even thought it was possible? Of course governments have secrets, but there is no evidence of the Free Energyasibility of FREE ENERGY /OU.


Why people supporting the Free Energy should be called the trolls here, whereas the people denying it in every post are claiming themselves a supporters of it? It goes over my head. This forum is infested with deniers, because its moderators don't do their work (being also deniers in disguise).


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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2017, 11:05:03 PM »
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At this moment Tinsel is involved in an open source replication attempt of another idea presented here which may or may not pan out.

LOL, which one? He did say openly, he doesn't believe in Free Energy in the same way, like you.

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and he is also helping members here with Their replications of various claims

How he can help them if he doesn't believe in it? He only misleads them.
The suppression of Free Energy starts just here - at your very level.
Don't you think, it's time for both of you to fu*k off finally from there?

Offline Theoretical Research

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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2017, 11:06:37 PM »
governments do not suppress energy production from alternative sources (they often subsidize them) such as nuclear, wind, solar, wave and many more.
I think that's a highly unlikely statement regarding what most at this website are striving for. A portable wireless device that can produce thousands of watts endlessly would in the very least end big oil. I couldn't imagine any notable economist saying that in itself would not cause catastrophic chaos to the global economy.


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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2017, 11:16:04 PM »
My 2 cents. I don't know this Tinsel but if his goal is intently driven to debunk something then it's been my experience that such people will usually succeed regardless if they find truth. It's easy for one to become biased, cherry picking data, taking preferred paths.

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Offline ramset

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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2017, 12:01:09 AM »
Zephir
Lighting fires elsewhere and pointing/blame to other people is an old and tiring act
and then to get Vulgar too .......  Tactics not used by a man with a strong argument.

here we search and look and will never stop looking ,if you have something positive to contribute ?
please do.
otherwise you are getting lost in the noise...

@Theoretical research
there has NEVER [Not Once] been just one experimenter here to investigate a claim and dismiss it for the group,
we have tons of replicators who join in [for a valid well presented OU claim or any anomaly claim.

we are after all very hungry here for a true claim, and contrary to what Zephir has stated ... all who BUILD and experiment here
believe in the potential for success, ....especially the Koala.



Zephir is a word twister and obviously gets squirmy and Vulgar when asked to back up his claims ....
he is not the first to act this way ,we see this all too often ...

respectfully
Chet K




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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2017, 12:27:37 AM »
LOL, which one? He did say openly, he doesn't believe in Free Energy in the same way, like you.

How he can help them if he doesn't believe in it? He only misleads them.
The suppression of Free Energy starts just here - at your very level.
Don't you think, it's time for both of you to fu*k off finally from there?

TK is one of the few skeptics that may be more open minded than myself.

What you fail to consider is that TK is not about debunking so much as he is about showing the truth, about helping those with little to no understanding and even going so far as to build testbeds to demonstrate clearly what he is explaining.

FE is all around us,, OU is not.  Something will only be labeled as OU until the effect is understood and all things measured,, then it is not OU because the "new source" has been identified.

I have on occasion had fun poking the Koala with a stick,, but be warned he has very sharp claws and if you bleed easy he is one you might wish to stay away from.

'Tis a shame Mark E is no longer with us,, I learned a bunch from him as well,, another person often labeled as a troll,, a government shill,, but in the end he was a very talented person with a big desire to help.

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Offline memoryman

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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2017, 02:04:12 AM »
Thank you webby1, Chet K, MileHigh, TK and some others.
I am not here to make friends (although that is sometimes a happy byproduct). The reason that I am here is to learn and contribute. The late Mark E. was a role model for me. I do contribute to experimenters even when I am sure they won't succeed; just getting a new point of view can be helpful.
I'll continue to be here until I decide otherwise.

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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2017, 02:43:30 AM »
I think that's a highly unlikely statement regarding what most at this website are striving for. A portable wireless device that can produce thousands of watts endlessly would in the very least end big oil. I couldn't imagine any notable economist saying that in itself would not cause catastrophic chaos to the global economy.


Well the good news is solar energy is a form of free energy. Millions of people can now have free electricity in their homes often subsidized by the government. Free energy is just that, a way of harvesting energy where the fuel source has no cost, like solar, wind etc.


I also agree it is possible to harvest energy from the atmosphere, how much I am not so sure. Tesla never harvested free energy or overunity, he did however transmit electricity through the atmosphere. That had to be generated from a power station, and someone has to pay for that. The reason the technology was not adapted was anyone could take it as there was no way of billing for it.


Mark E was and TK is people who care and wish to remove the veil of ignorance that hides the real truth. I knew Mark E in person and he would always to take the time to explain complex science in a simple way to anyone. He was a kind caring person.


Big oil now is one of the largest investors in solar, wind and other free energy technologies, they know there is a limited supply and times are changing.


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Mark

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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2017, 03:44:24 AM »
Solar is a nice form of clean energy in many areas of the globe on clear sunny days, but I never once thought it would ever put big oil out of business. Maybe big oil is smart for investing in solar. It's something they can sell, I guess. The technology I'm talking about will put big oil out of business because they won't be able to sell it. Maybe big oil should look elsewhere for money. Maybe car manufacturing or something.

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Offline Theoretical Research

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« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2017, 03:50:06 AM »
I do contribute to experimenters even when I am sure they won't succeed; just getting a new point of view can be helpful.
But how do you know for certain they'll fail? Maybe they'll discover an anomaly. Mainstream science still doesn't know a lot. They don't have a clue what really causes gravity and magnetic fields. For all they know gravity could be the acceleration & flow of space itself into singularities we call mass. And magnetic fields could be a vortex of space flow. LOL just saying.

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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2017, 04:44:47 AM »
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we are after all very hungry here for a true claim, and contrary to what Zephir has stated. Millions of people can now have free electricity in their homes often subsidized by the government. Free energy is just that, a way of harvesting energy where the fuel source has no cost, like solar, wind etc
Twisting the concepts is what you're doing here instead of me. The free energy was never solar, wind and similar stuff - especially not when its subsidized with government (from money of tax payers, the government never gives something for free, it only takes the money) and it's common governmental tactic to present it so
"Big oil now is one of the largest investors in solar, wind and other free energy technologies, they know there is a limited supply" because the usage of renewables actually increases the net demand for fossil sources. They just generate more profit in this way.
"Tesla never harvested free energy or overunity" - this is another lie of propagandist deniers. Every sentence of your is very common tactic of Free Energy deniers. The suppression of Free Energy starts just here - with propaganda and lies of people like you here.
You're asked to leave this forum now.


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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2017, 05:07:04 AM »
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"Tesla never harvested free energy or overunity" - this is another lie of propagandist deniers
The suppression of Free Energy starts just here - with propaganda and lies of people like you here.
You're asked to leave this forum now.


You may have noticed I have over 1440 posts over a number of years, I have no intention of going anywhere lol.


Please reference where Tesla harvested free energy, overunity or zero point energy. He did however transmit electricity or energy very well and his technology is being revived to today for charging cell phones and inductive charging of electric vehicles. I have read many historical texts on Tesla and he truly was a genius and great inventor, however he would be the first to rebuke anything that could not be supported by data, peer review and scientific methodology. It is a disgrace people misuse his name as they do.


If you can clearly demonstrate where I have lied I happy to be corrected. I have been involved for many years searching for the truth with free energy claims having tested or examined many claims in person worldwide. I will celebrate the day when I can find one that lives up to its claims.


It is unfortunate that many fraudsters take advantage of popularity remarks like suppression, propaganda etc. You need to ask yourself the question why have people like Elon musk not only been allowed to developed mass produced electric vehicles, but also install solar panels to recharge them. Nothing in it for big oil. So why are people like Musk allowed to do this? Big oil are one of the biggest investors in solar and wind The Middle eastern countries are investing heavily is Solar.


Some of the biggest corporations in the world are switching to solar and wind energy in growing numbers leading the way.


So here is my question.  a free energy device will be require to harvest and convert a source of energy. What is the difference between this and a solar panel, wind mill or Rf energy harvester??? You still need an energy source (which is free) and a machine or technology to convert it into a usable form of work?


Millions of people worldwide are of the grid using solar and wind or grid connected still greatly reducing their energy bills. In some cases being paid. This is called energy independence and has nothing to do with big oil. In fact they can purchase an electric car and run it of solar energy.
More importantly it is often subsidized by governments, not suppressed.


Perhaps you need to find a forum dealing with conspiracy. You may be happier there.


Without prejudice and kindest regards
Mark






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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2017, 05:51:29 AM »
Is that you Mark, you know Ken K and used to go along to ASTRO SA years ago?

I agree with your last post except on Tesla. The technology that you say is being revived to today for charging cell phones and inductive charging EV’s and your toothbrush, isn’t really what Tesla did or had in mind for the mode of operation with his apparatus. It is basically 180 degrees the other way, it’s the reflected displacement current (neutral terminal) which Tesla used to transmit power via the Earth. Using this mode of operation & resonant “pings” with the Earth itself, this seemed to couple his system with the electrical circuit of the Earth itself. – So that additional energy was then extracted via his apparatus. – But that additional energy didn’t come from no-where, it came from the Earth itself. So that was the source of the so called free energy.

It’s finding free sources to tap into via our technology. Maybe there are unknown, untapped sources yet to discover?

Sure, it isn’t necessarily government suppression, (unless it has military uses) but big business, & corporations. “They” lead research because they have the funding and resources to do so, but it is often not brought to market. It wouldn’t be so, or to bring quick change to the world except for the likes of Elon, pushing the cart forwards faster than others would like. – So now "they" have to copy and move faster to keep up, or become left behind. - Technology that would drastically & quickly change things is held back by corporations (and regulated via governments) - It’s a very, very slow drip feed that’s allowed and that is all.

Sputins.


 
 
     


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Re: Government suppression of Free Energy
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2017, 05:56:18 AM »
You need to ask yourself the question why have people like Elon musk not only been allowed to developed mass produced electric vehicles, but also install solar panels to recharge them. Nothing in it for big oil. So why are people like Musk allowed to do this? Big oil are one of the biggest investors in solar and wind The Middle eastern countries are investing heavily is Solar.

Good question! I'm very interested to see if Elon Musk's solar home roof plan takes off. It's it true that so far solar power hasn't taken down big oil? Honestly I've lost count over the years how many people have voiced their disappointment on solar power. A decade ago I thought for sure solar panels were going to explode in popularity. I live in sunny california, but yet I don't know of a single house around here that has solar panels. Sad.

Hopefully Elon Musk can do it. Time will tell. If he succeeds, then that answers one of my questions if people have been killed to stop what most people at this site are trying to achieve. If big oil is not trying to suppress free energy, then I have a 2nd question. Is the government trying to suppress the actual physics behind such technology. The hell with free energy. Maybe big brother don't care about big oil. Maybe big brother knows about the physics that's beyond quantum physics. All I know is that I would be afraid to death to try to publish such technology. I used to be concerned that this tech could be used to develop weapons of mass destruction for terrorists. Lately I've decided, what the hell. This endless game is getting old. Humanity is about to leave this nest that we call Earth. We'll survive. Let it all rip. There will always be wars. It seems the harder one tries to avoid problems the more trouble they find, no?

In short, let it flow. Best advice someone ever gave me.

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