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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 114907 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1125 on: April 21, 2017, 05:13:51 PM »
How about having the threads as read only but the OP of the thread can "allow" or "deny" posting on a user or global basis,, this leaving the need for a moderator to remove any unwanted posts.

I think this would keep the intent of an open community in tact and then using PM you can still have the "closed" discussion when needed.

We already have that in moderation mode. Sometimes it is five or more pages a day and if a moderator isnt around, it could take a bit of time to read, think then approve a waiting message.  So for example, you may have posted 2 days ago and are waiting for approval. Well if its approved, it apears right where it was posted, possibly pages back and possibly days later of which the post may not even get read by someone that has already read that section or page and never get noticed.

Like if there is a read only thread with 5 guys, and if you wanted to join, just ask and if your not a bugger you should be able to join. Its not a prissy private club, its just a way to keep important discussion or project threads clean without having to have the 'job' of running the mop every day. Id rather not have that job and the floors wont get dirty if private or read only threads are allowed.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1126 on: April 21, 2017, 05:18:28 PM »

I think this would keep the intent of an open community in tact and then using PM you can still have the "closed" discussion when needed.

Like I said before, PM is private and nobody can bother you between important private discussions. But you still have a different navigation of pm than you do with threads. And threads can show pics, pm not. Again if pm is allowed, then there should be no argument against a private thread that allows more convenience to the posters. And if a priv thread dies it should be made public

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1127 on: April 21, 2017, 05:33:58 PM »
Lets say I start a thread an set it global read write,, then someone starts posting all the usual garbage.

If I could then set that poster to read only for that thread only it would stop any further intrusion by that poster,, let them start there own thread then to have there say,, like what you are talking about and all of the discussion is out and in the public view.

I take my private stuff and keep most of it in email,, a little PM now and then,, but mostly email. 

If *I* could set that condition for the threads *I* start then no moderator is needed until there are posts that need to be removed,, I would also think that when enough threads are read only for a few posters that they would either change there ways or leave.

Just my thoughts on it.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1128 on: April 21, 2017, 06:08:20 PM »
Lets say I start a thread an set it global read write,, then someone starts posting all the usual garbage.

If I could then set that poster to read only for that thread only it would stop any further intrusion by that poster,, let them start there own thread then to have there say,, like what you are talking about and all of the discussion is out and in the public view.

I take my private stuff and keep most of it in email,, a little PM now and then,, but mostly email. 

If *I* could set that condition for the threads *I* start then no moderator is needed until there are posts that need to be removed,, I would also think that when enough threads are read only for a few posters that they would either change there ways or leave.

Just my thoughts on it.

If all thread makers had that ability, there may be some that are tossed because of things that are not legit and all could get messy and not fair at all.

monitoring threads and responding to complaints as a moderator is not a pleasant biz. Having read only threads I believe is best where all can see but cant disrupt and waste time, of which I really value my time.

Yeah we could all just leave and email eachother. But this site is setup for the convenience of not intermixing like having to sort through messages like email or pms if there is a lot of them. At OUR I think that there is a more happy environment in private and read only threads. Im all for happiness. Businesses succeed better with happy workers and so should a smart group of people trying to find OU in a thread where we dont have to have ANY disruptions and the record of the thread is clean and easily read through.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1129 on: April 21, 2017, 06:18:36 PM »
I really like the idea of read only thread for builders and researchers.  I don't think any of us have anything to hide but it would be nice to carry on a discussion with like minded builders and researchers without all the clutter.  I started a thread at EF just for technical discussion because of this very problem.  Some builders did not want their thread cluttered up with discussion so in respect to that I started that thread.  Sometimes it is used and sometimes not but it is there for use by the ones that want it.

There are a couple of threads there now that are considered builders threads only and most of us that still go to that forum just respect that request.  As far as I know it is not actively enforced by the Admin but just voluntarily respected.  From what I have seen here the voluntary part probably won't work.

If Stefan can set up a read only format with only selected members able to post I do believe it would help this forum a lot.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1130 on: April 21, 2017, 07:09:35 PM »
If all thread makers had that ability, there may be some that are tossed because of things that are not legit and all could get messy and not fair at all.

Mags

I think most here are rather tolerant of non-preferred behavior and if the offensive poster were set to read only for the thread in question their posts would stay until a moderator removed them.

This might make the moderator position a little harder,, they would leave some posts that others may not like,, but it is in sharing the information and ideas that should be the main goal.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1131 on: April 21, 2017, 07:18:59 PM »
That coil is the subject of this thread....stop listening to milehigh preach about single sine functions!  ..... despite what you think, Tesla said what he said for the likes of milehigh, not you open minded folk!  For the open minded, there's a shit load you need to catch up on!  But you won't.....you will continue to listen to milehigh and others who know nothing more than the value of silence.....

MH shared his opinion,, that should be acceptable to all,, if he shares the same opinion 10 times then maybe he should be on read only until he has something new,, same thing with any poster.

This would keep the clutter down a fair amount and enable readers to follow easier.

You have shared your opinion on the classical view point,, how many times do you think it needs to be shared?

I think that there is more to what is going on than what the "laws and formulas" cover,, how do I get to a better view, a more complete view if I only read page after page of the same thing or flame wars?

I think it would be nice to be able to see many views shared openly, side by side, without all the agro.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1132 on: April 21, 2017, 08:12:08 PM »
Haven't followed this (my own) thread anymore. But as it is mine, here is a related post:

I made some more coils. I earlier used bifilar coils to be pulsed. I now tried single wire coils:

I connected the two single wire pancake coil in series, to my IGBT pulse driver.
The IGBT became extremely hot (much hotter than with a pulsed bifilar coil).
I guess this is because of the back emf produced, by the pulsed coils.
To avoid it, i should use a diode and a resistor in parallel with the coil, to burn the energy of the back emf.

So, I guess I will be making another bifilar pancake coil, to pulse in series.

isnt it funny, that the bifilar coil doesnt produce this troublesome back emf?

Telsa in his patent states, the back emf of a normal single wire coil, can be fixed with capacitance... but how?

I must say... these bifilar coils have their advantage (the IGBT stays cool)

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1133 on: April 21, 2017, 08:58:03 PM »
This is a quote from Erfinder that was removed while I was reading it. I was going to reply but it said post didnt exist. So I back paged and still was able to copy. I will clean it up for the one that removed it so i can reply.

"Moderation is a waste of time!  You cannot expect to grow if you censor.  If you don't want to read someone's post, ignore them.  This place gets cluster @#$%^& quickly....which is worse, twenty pages of someone spamming, or twenty pages of someone slamming you with every text book ever written, showering you in s@#$ no one needs a lesson in,  and at the end of the lecture you're still as clueless as the guy/gal spamming....


This is not the place for a productive discussion, never was, and probably never will be.  Those whose experience allows them to"represent" the status quo aren't wise enough to shut the $%^& up and let people fall on their faces!  The excuse that you are trying to save people from taking advice from the idiots is idiotic....  The excuse that you just can't stand by and allow the ignorant spread lies is a bold face lie. There are no facts.  Think and believe what you want....  IF you take advice from a fool, and you didn't know the advice came from a fool...what does that make you...not a question.


That coil is the subject of this thread....stop listening to milehigh preach about single sine functions!  I read the patent too....and despite what you think, Tesla said what he said for the likes of milehigh, not you open minded folk!  For the open minded, there's a load you need to catch up on!  But you won't.....you will continue to listen to milehigh and others who know nothing more than the value of silence....."


I am not a fan of moderation. And in ref to the same paragraph I have voiced my concerns with the crap that screw up threads, and I have seen that read only and or private threads help with that a lot. At OUR others make separate threads that deal with further discussions that keep the read only threads clean so it is easier to go through for those that are really interested in the subject. So Im not sure why the beat down there...

As for who is in the thread doing builds and tests and how they do them, well they are doing it. You are not. You are just doing this. Not a great example really. I thought we could get along but you are now just here beating on me. You do have children dont you?........ Is this how you teach them? Come on dude.

As for the coil, maybe you dont see that Im 'trying' to figure out other ways of approaching it other than what the pat says, even though one of the ideas is based on what the pat says. So what if I am way off of what you claim is the proper way to deal with it. Maybe I havnt got there yet and maybe never will. Who knows. What you claim may not even exist 'as far as we know'. How could we know as we are all screwed as you claim.

Anyway, I tried to be on a good side with you but you are just too much.

Mags

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1134 on: April 21, 2017, 09:16:55 PM »
This is a quote from Erfinder that was removed while I was reading it. I was going to reply but it said post didnt exist. So I back paged and still was able to copy. I will clean it up for the one that removed it so i can reply.

"Moderation is a waste of time!  You cannot expect to grow if you censor.  If you don't want to read someone's post, ignore them.  This place gets cluster @#$%^& quickly....which is worse, twenty pages of someone spamming, or twenty pages of someone slamming you with every text book ever written, showering you in s@#$ no one needs a lesson in,  and at the end of the lecture you're still as clueless as the guy/gal spamming....


This is not the place for a productive discussion, never was, and probably never will be.  Those whose experience allows them to"represent" the status quo aren't wise enough to shut the $%^& up and let people fall on their faces!  The excuse that you are trying to save people from taking advice from the idiots is idiotic....  The excuse that you just can't stand by and allow the ignorant spread lies is a bold face lie. There are no facts.  Think and believe what you want....  IF you take advice from a fool, and you didn't know the advice came from a fool...what does that make you...not a question.


That coil is the subject of this thread....stop listening to milehigh preach about single sine functions!  I read the patent too....and despite what you think, Tesla said what he said for the likes of milehigh, not you open minded folk!  For the open minded, there's a load you need to catch up on!  But you won't.....you will continue to listen to milehigh and others who know nothing more than the value of silence....."


I am not a fan of moderation. And in ref to the same paragraph I have voiced my concerns with the crap that screw up threads, and I have seen that read only and or private threads help with that a lot. At OUR others make separate threads that deal with further discussions that keep the read only threads clean so it is easier to go through for those that are really interested in the subject. So Im not sure why the beat down there...

As for who is in the thread doing builds and tests and how they do them, well they are doing it. You are not. You are just doing this. Not a great example really. I thought we could get along but you are now just here beating on me. You do have children dont you?........ Is this how you teach them? Come on dude.

As for the coil, maybe you dont see that Im 'trying' to figure out other ways of approaching it other than what the pat says, even though one of the ideas is based on what the pat says. So what if I am way off of what you claim is the proper way to deal with it. Maybe I havnt got there yet and maybe never will. Who knows. What you claim may not even exist 'as far as we know'. How could we know as we are all screwed as you claim.

Anyway, I tried to be on a good side with you but you are just too much.

Mags


Moderation is a waste of time!  You cannot expect to grow if you censor.  If you don't want to read someone's post, ignore them.  This place gets clusterquickly....which is worse, twenty pages of someone spamming, or twenty pages of someone slamming you with every text book ever written, showering you in no one needs a lesson in,  and at the end of the lecture you're still as clueless as the guy/gal spamming....


This is not the place for a productive discussion, never was, and probably never will be.  Those whose experience allows them to"represent" the status quo aren't wise enough to shut the  up and let people fall on their faces!  The excuse that you are trying to save people from taking advice from the idiots is idiotic....  The excuse that you just can't stand by and allow the ignorant spread lies is a bold face lie. There are no facts.  Think and believe what you want.... 


IF you take advice from a fool, and you didn't know the advice came from a fool...what does that make you...not a question.That coil is the subject of this thread....stop listening to milehigh preach about single sine functions!  ..... despite what you think, Tesla said what he said for the likes of milehigh, not you open minded folk!  For the open minded, there's a shit load you need to catch up on!  But you won't.....you will continue to listen to milehigh and others who know nothing more than the value of silence.....
« Last Edit: April 21, 2017, 09:29:23 PM by tinman »

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1135 on: April 21, 2017, 09:31:15 PM »

Moderation is a waste of time!  You cannot expect to grow if you censor.  If you don't want to read someone's post, ignore them.  This place gets clusterquickly....which is worse, twenty pages of someone spamming, or twenty pages of someone slamming you with every text book ever written, showering you in no one needs a lesson in,  and at the end of the lecture you're still as clueless as the guy/gal spamming....


This is not the place for a productive discussion, never was, and probably never will be.  Those whose experience allows them to"represent" the status quo aren't wise enough to shut the  up and let people fall on their faces!  The excuse that you are trying to save people from taking advice from the idiots is idiotic....  The excuse that you just can't stand by and allow the ignorant spread lies is a bold face lie. There are no facts.  Think and believe what you want.... 


IF you take advice from a fool, and you didn't know the advice came from a fool...what does that make you...not a question.That coil is the subject of this thread....stop listening to milehigh preach about single sine functions!  ..... despite what you think, Tesla said what he said for the likes of milehigh, not you open minded folk!  For the open minded, there's a shit load you need to catch up on!  But you won't.....you will continue to listen to milehigh and others who know nothing more than the value of silence.....

I asked you politely to leave the foul language out,and you refused to do so.
I will not ask again.

Brad

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1136 on: April 21, 2017, 09:32:07 PM »
Just like deja vu all over again.

I showed how when the bifilar coil self-resonates, the amount of energy stored in the LC resonator relative to the continuous resistive power burn is negligible.

I was the impetus for the frequency sweep, and the surprise so far is that we have only seen parallel resonance and not series resonance like the patent states.

Erfinder makes lots of claims but will not reveal anything.

Magluvin is going to do some future testing but will not reveal what it is all about.

And of course I ask the questions that many won't ask or they are afraid to ask because of the special flavour of political correctness around here:  What is the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil good for?  What can you do with it?  I have asked similar questions about other issues that nobody dare speak in the past.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1137 on: April 21, 2017, 09:36:37 PM »
Just like deja vu all over again.

I showed how when the bifilar coil self-resonates, the amount of energy stored in the LC resonator relative to the continuous resistive power burn is negligible.

I was the impetus for the frequency sweep, and the surprise so far is that we have only seen parallel resonance and not series resonance like the patent states.

Erfinder makes lots of claims but will not reveal anything.

Magluvin is going to do some future testing but will not reveal what it is all about.

And of course I ask the questions that many won't ask or they are afraid to ask because of the special flavour of political correctness around here:  What is the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil good for?  What can you do with it?  I have asked similar questions about other issues that nobody dare speak in the past.

Well i for one,have found nothing special about it-yet,other than the lower resonant frequency.

Erfinder will talk lot's,but never tell you anything other than riddles-it's the way he has always been.

Brad

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1138 on: April 21, 2017, 09:37:40 PM »
I am not a fan of moderation. And in ref to the same paragraph I have voiced my concerns with the crap that screw up threads, and I have seen that read only and or private threads help with that a lot. At OUR others make separate threads that deal with further discussions that keep the read only threads clean so it is easier to go through for those that are really interested in the subject. So Im not sure why the beat down there...


and yet here we are, two grown men, and my post is being moderated....not saying you did it, but I am saying you didn't do anything to stop it.... 


The thread is dead....was dead before it started, and really fell off when milehigh started beating the resident spammer with textbooks and web links, and graphics...and and and...

As for who is in the thread doing builds and tests and how they do them, well they are doing it. You are not. You are just doing this. Not a great example really. I thought we could get along but you are now just here beating on me. You do have children dont you?........ Is this how you teach them? Come on dude.


Builds...crazy thing is you're serious....  To suggest I haven't built anything, to suggest I am not active, to suggest that I am not working side by side with the ignorant is an insult, but as I am insulting others.....  I have no motivation to share a build...  I got better things to do than beat up on anyone....and let's keep the conversation between us...if you want to bring family into this, you will ban me.




As for the coil, maybe you dont see that Im 'trying' to figure out other ways of approaching it other than what the pat says, even though one of the ideas is based on what the pat says. So what if I am way off of what you claim is the proper way to deal with it. Maybe I havnt got there yet and maybe never will. Who knows. What you claim may not even exist 'as far as we know'. How could we know as we are all screwed as you claim.

Anyway, I tried to be on a good side with you but you are just too much.

Mags


I see more of the same in your approach, sorry....You are way off from what I am claiming...but what else is new right....you expected that you were way off and here I am telling you you are...what a dick right.....not a question.  You aren't there yet, would be nice if you hurried it up and got here, self doubt.....you can keep that.....the longer you hold onto it, the tougher your task will get.  AS far as I know...my claim exists...I am not the least bit intersted nor concerned about what "as far as we know" think about my claims....


Regarding you trying to be on a good side with me but I am too much....I get that often....I'm not going to lose any sleep over it....you should, because a change in perspective is needed to see what you are not allowing yourself to see, try a perspective change on, see if it fits, watch the fog lift......or not.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1139 on: April 21, 2017, 09:37:54 PM »

and yet here we are, two grown men, and my post is being moderated....not saying you did it, but I am saying you didn't do anything to stop it.... 


The thread is dead....was dead before it started, and really fell off when milehigh started beating the resident spammer with textbooks and web links, and graphics...and and and...


Builds...crazy thing is you're serious....  To suggest I haven't built anything, to suggest I am not active, to suggest that I am not working side by side with the ignorant is an insult, but as I am insulting others.....  I have no motivation to share a build...  I got better things to do than beat up on anyone....and let's keep the conversation between us...if you want to bring family into this, you will ban me.





I see more of the same in your approach, sorry....You are way off from what I am claiming...but what else is new right....you expected that you were way off and here I am telling you you are...what a dick right.....not a question.  You aren't there yet, would be nice if you hurried it up and got here, self doubt.....you can keep that.....the longer you hold onto it, the tougher your task will get.  AS far as I know...my claim exists...I am not the least bit intersted nor concerned about what "as far as we know" think about my claims....


Regarding you trying to be on a good side with me but I am too much....I get that often....I'm not going to lose any sleep over it....you should, because a change in perspective is needed to see what you are not allowing yourself to see, try a perspective change on, see if it fits, watch the fog lift......or not.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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